the price of xp

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Too...many...icons...can't...process...

If a person is in good healthy shape that might result from a Strong Left (brain) hemisphere the is more comfortable with processing Verbal information, and a "lazy" Right hemisphere that does not like to do its work. I.e. processing Visual information.

If a person experience Neurological problems it might indicate difficulties in Visual Scanning or Brain Stem (Arousal system) not in tune, or both.

:sun:

P.S. Or you just kidding :shocked:😕😱:brokenheart:🙁:evil:

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: S0Y73NTGR33N
You try making an operating system that's invulnerable to spyware!!!!

Can't happen... there's way more programmers coming up with spyware than people programming OSes and programs to stop it.

-green

OSX anyone?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: S0Y73NTGR33N
You try making an operating system that's invulnerable to spyware!!!!

Can't happen... there's way more programmers coming up with spyware than people programming OSes and programs to stop it.

-green

OSX anyone?

It isn't perfect, and spyware should arrive any day now. 😉

 

[Nothinman]

It does not work this way.

So stress, anger and frustration don't kill braincells?

P.S. Or you just kidding

And you might be over analyzing =)

 

[akers]

Yuh know ... in the USA nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you buy Microsoft products or anybody elses products for that matter. If you do not like the richest guy on earth then go with Linux, Unix, Mac, or write your own operating system and application software.

This is a free market economy, a republic, and we have more than enough laws to protect those that are too lazy or incapable of thinking for themselves. Quit whining and go out and do something with you life.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
i understand that but the focus was not mainly just spyware i do not get alot or do i expect windows to be fully protected from it, i think they did a decent job with the new packs yet more must be done. the main focus was the price of the software, the 90 bucks.

Is that all that you are complaining about? Some of us remember when MS-DOS cost more than that! (Something around $130, IIRC, for either a full new non-upgrade version of MS-DOS 5.0 or 6.22.)

As for spyware... well, you CAN blame MS for the ease at which their current consumer OSes get "infected" by it, even given the consideration that many people click on things that they shouldn't. And for that person that suggested that it is difficult or impossible to develop an OS that isn't a host for malware - I think that you would be surprised. All it takes is some attention to detail and basic security principles - things that MS has ignored and avoided for years, choosing to instead embrace features and "integration" over all others.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
My translation of Nothinman's comment: Usage of Windows XP results in the destruction of brain cells. 😛

That's why the first thing that you do, after installing XP, is disable the default Windows' theme sound-effects!

🙂

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

It does not work this way.

So stress, anger and frustration don't kill braincells?

At the very least, I'm certain that Windows' has been attributed to directly cause hair loss in a certain minority of the population. 😛

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: akers
Yuh know ... in the USA nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you buy Microsoft products

Unless you run a business, have purchased multiple "naked PCs", and haven't purchased MS OSes and Office apps to go with them. At that point, you've just been added to the BSA's and MS's "piracy" statistics. (That is how they calculate those huge losses due to piracy. If you use Linux/Open-source, you are considered a pirate according to the BSA/MS, becuase you don't contribute to their bottom-line.)

Wonderful, eh? So just wait until you hear from the BSA, or a federal marshall, when they knock at your door for a "software audit".

PS. The marshall usually does have a gun. So in a sense, you're actually quite wrong in your initial statement.

Originally posted by: akers
This is a free market economy, a republic, and we have more than enough laws to protect those that are too lazy or incapable of thinking for themselves. Quit whining and go out and do something with you life.

That's false too, MS has manipulated, distorted, and generally thumbed their nose up at our legal system, and continues to do what they want, if only disguised in different legal terms.

I give you a point for correctly referring to the USofA as a "republic", and not a "democracy", thank you. But whether it is in fact a "free" market, is very very questionable, considering the unfair advantage of certain players in the market, and what they get away with.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarryBut whether it is in fact a "free" market, is very very questionable, considering the unfair advantage of certain players in the market, and what they get away with.

I remember (25-27 yeas ago) when Radio Shack got into the computer business It was ?unfair?. The claim was that (at least at the time) they have a store on every street corner and they would ?corner? the market. Then came Apple II (you know the computer company that survives from selling little ?Walkmans?😀isgust😉. Then came IBM PC (You know the one that just sold few weeks ago was sold to the Chinese):shocked:. Then came Compaq (You know he one that was sold few years ago the HP and that the CEO that purchased it got fired last week because of this failed purchase). Now it is Dell Dude.😉

So every few year some one is ?Unfairly? Cornering the market. However if some one comes with some thing more appealing (notice I did not even said Better), with good functionality to price ratio their product Rules.:thumbsup:

In contrast, in few ?Real Free? markets countries, many companies still rule for a century, and the ?Free? Consumers are complaining about the Cable/DSL Router that cost us $15 while they are charged $80 + 15% VAT.

Yeah the billionaire that chose to abandon Netscape, and some others, tells you different stories while they are counting their (our) money in the dark of night.:evil:

:sun:

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
i understand that but the focus was not mainly just spyware i do not get alot or do i expect windows to be fully protected from it, i think they did a decent job with the new packs yet more must be done. the main focus was the price of the software, the 90 bucks.

Is that all that you are complaining about? Some of us remember when MS-DOS cost more than that! (Something around $130, IIRC, for either a full new non-upgrade version of MS-DOS 5.0 or 6.22.)

As for spyware... well, you CAN blame MS for the ease at which their current consumer OSes get "infected" by it, even given the consideration that many people click on things that they shouldn't. And for that person that suggested that it is difficult or impossible to develop an OS that isn't a host for malware - I think that you would be surprised. All it takes is some attention to detail and basic security principles - things that MS has ignored and avoided for years, choosing to instead embrace features and "integration" over all others.

So when I install Kazaa and a bunch of smaller apps are piggie-backed on the installation program (buried in a gigantic license agreement), how is this Microsoft's fault? Are you suggesting that the security principles inherent in *nix OSes would prevent unscrupulous software vendors from installing unwanted software with their software packages?

 

[Nothinman]

So every few year some one is ?Unfairly? Cornering the market. However if some one comes with some thing more appealing (notice I did not even said Better), with good functionality to price ratio their product Rules

Well you covered hardware, but what about software?

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

So every few year some one is ?Unfairly? Cornering the market. However if some one comes with some thing more appealing (notice I did not even said Better), with good functionality to price ratio their product Rules

Well you covered hardware, but what about software?

Word Star - Word Perfect - Word.

VisiCalc - Lotus 123 - Excel.

Some thing that I forgot its name - DbaseIII - SQL (Or Access for flat db).

:sun:

 

[Nothinman]

And ironically all of those run on DOS/Windows.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: heedoyiu
is anyone else pissed of about not just the 90 dollar price tag but the abandonedment of gates in terms of spyware?

Not sure what you mean "abandonment of spyware" as gates announced that they will be giving it away free. Sounds great to me.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
And ironically all of those run on DOS/Windows.

Ergo the publisher of the software knows what he is doing and is capable to provide good Functional to Price Ratio.

In some Poorer countries with not so "Free" economy when they feel that Functional to Price Ratio is not good enough they switch to something else that is available for free on the Internet.

Which probably will end up being a Catch 22 in the long run. I.e. not being compatible with the rest of the world will contribute to stay in a stale economical situation that would further erode the Functional to Price Ratio.

:sun:

P.S. After all is said that does not mean that someting like smoothwall is not a nice piece of software.

 

[Nothinman]

Which probably will end up being a Catch 22 in the long run. I.e. not being compatible with the rest of the world will contribute to stay in a stale economical situation that would further erode the Functional to Price Ratio.

And that'll probably end up being us here in the US, not being compatible with the rest of the world I mean. Sort of like how the rest of the world uses the metric system while we're still stuck on our own.

 

[daniel1113]

No... then again, I actually know how to use my computer in the proper way which all but elminiates spyware and viruses. Education - try it sometime.

 

[heedoyiu]

i did not think this would become a great deal to discuss yet we all must agree that linux and mac x are great yet yes windows is very good software aswell yet with all things they all must stay current with the changing times.

 

[heedoyiu]

true i was very well bitching and i should stop, mac x is very good yet you have to have a mac or emulater and windows right now at least has a considerable lead on linux. i could be bitching because i thought linux right now would be a great solution to the big company of microsoft. yet i would never even want to try having a server with windows on it that is for sure.

 

[Nothinman]

r and windows right now at least has a considerable lead on linux

A lead on what? I use Linux on all of my personal machines, the only thing I can't do is play some games and I'm not terribly concerned about that.

 

[VRXJudge]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

r and windows right now at least has a considerable lead on linux

A lead on what? I use Linux on all of my personal machines, the only thing I can't do is play some games and I'm not terribly concerned about that.

Yeah, Linux has its alternatives for the majority of Windows stuff.

Does it really matter now, as isn't there a universal emulator that's madd efficient right now? I remember someone playing a Linux Q3A on OSX.

 

[Nothinman]

Does it really matter now, as isn't there a universal emulator that's madd efficient right now? I remember someone playing a Linux Q3A on OSX.

There's no such thing as a universal emulator, a true emulator has to emulate the target CPU which means processing each command and translating it. Download PearPC and install OS X and see how slow emulation really is. What you probably saw was the OS X native port of Q3A on OS X, it's been ported since the initial release.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Which probably will end up being a Catch 22 in the long run. I.e. not being compatible with the rest of the world will contribute to stay in a stale economical situation that would further erode the Functional to Price Ratio.

And that'll probably end up being us here in the US, not being compatible with the rest of the world I mean. Sort of like how the rest of the world uses the metric system while we're still stuck on our own.

The last piece of software that was produced outside of the USA that I bought was a game. And I can't remember seeing any game software that was written for an OS other than windows.

I know you said you weren't terribly concerned with games, so which software is being written ONLY for linux by foreign programmers that concerns you?

 

[Megatomic]

And you might call me ethnocentric, but I firmly believe that the world is not going to converge on a standard that will prevent the USA from participating in any area, much less tech.