The Prez.'s Economic Speech....

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Soon I'll be taking my income in the form of a dummy corp I create within my real business that I'll pass money to to pay dividends that it will pay to me tax free. Bush is a genius. I might have to contrubute to his campaign since I won't be paying taxes, but then again, it is my money; maybe I'll just keep it.

You nut, the money you're passing to the dividends would already have been taxed at least once. Dividend taxes are taxes on already taxed profits.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Michael
CPA - Gains in the 401(k) are not taxed when they occur. When you withdraw money, it is taxes as ordinary income. You don't track the gains and losses in the plan for later use in applying for capital gains rates.

You get the benefit of the original investment not being taxed (a big benefit for me) until you later withdraw it.

Michael

You are right, I had a bad choice in words and didn't mean to imply that they are taxed when they occur.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

I have to agree though, I do not strongly agree with a child credit (and I have 4). It encourages a practice, sort of like welfare.

You would have a hard time convincing me that the $1K you would get for your kids would ever encourage anyone to have children. Anyone with kids knows you spend a lot more on them thatn the gov't gives you credit for and what kind of cold hearted SOB would have kids just for the tax break?

Maybe you could come visit my in-laws, that's what they do. Have lots of kids, make them have bad grades, get them registered as disabled, and then get in the SSI checks, welfare, food stamps, etc. And then every year they actually get a tax refund even though they don't work.

You don't think it happens? Well ignorance is bliss but I've seen it first hand.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Yes they are, but the reason that many small (less than 50 employees) don't offer healthcare is the outrageous cost of the premiums. Which, in my opinion, could be done away with by getting rid of third-party payors, not by the feds throwing more money into medicare and other medical programs.

My father offered his employees health insurance for a while but dumped it due to the increasing premiums. Our system is a patchwork of third-party payers. I assume you are advocating fee-for-service? I think that's great as long as it is illegal to refuse services b/c someone can't pay. Medicare and Medicaid have lower overhead than private carriers. The major problem is the BS documentation imposed by Medicare and the reduction in reimbursement from the Feds.

Premiums are exploding b/c of the bum market. Carriers were happy to lose money on policies when the market was booming . . . insurance was like a side business. Now they can't make money unless their premiums are jacked up. Which has made small business optioning go from difficult to nearly impossible.

Yes, I advocate a fee-for-service plan and if we went that route I think there would be a lot less people who could not afford it.

 

[Corn]

....and what kind of cold hearted SOB would have kids just for the tax break?

The same kind of people the Democrat party panders to. 😛

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Corn

....and what kind of cold hearted SOB would have kids just for the tax break?

The same kind of people the Democrat party panders to. 😛

rhetoric

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Michael
BaliBayDoc - The poor have free education until the end of high school and there are so many benefit programs around for low income students that they could make it through University if they made it that far.

My wife had her college paid for by the state. Free. She came from a "poor" family, where nobody worked because they made more from the SSI checks.

The poor also have free healthcare. The segment most at risk are those who earn enough to not qualify for free healthcare but who do not have medical benefits.

My wife (and her family) had all of their medical expenses paid for, including dental and eyecare.

Just confirming your statements as accurate.

 

[Corn]

Hey flavio, hungry?.......here's my shorts.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

You nut, the money you're passing to the dividends would already have been taxed at least once. Dividend taxes are taxes on already taxed profits.

Don't call Moonie a nut . . . more of a flake . . . 😀 Dividend taxes are taxes on profits . . . some are taxed . . . others are not. That's why we should end corporate income tax and only tax dividends.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

We could also say that the core of the Republican party is made up of far religious right leaning Fascists. But the only reason you would not say that is because you're a Republican.

What drives me crazy most is the people who tow a party line like it's a religion. Instead of thinking for themselves on individual issues, they jump in line with whatever the official party stance is and insult everyone that doesn't agree with broad generalizations and rhetoric.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

Buchanan, Robertson, Duke... I'd consider these far right "thinkers" to be fascists. Even most of the moderate Republicans fall into the fascist camp more often than not. What is Fascism

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

We could also say that the core of the Republican party is made up of far religious right leaning Fascists. But the only reason you would not say that is because you're a Republican.

What drives me crazy most is the people who tow a party line like it's a religion. Instead of thinking for themselves on individual issues, they jump in line with whatever the official party stance is and insult everyone that doesn't agree with broad generalizations and rhetoric.

No, most Republicans I know are like myself Fiscal conservatives who are also somewhat socially conservative but tend to believe the concept of "Do what you like, just leave me out of it and don't do it in public." Sure there are some religious nuts in the Republican Party, but not nearly in the numbers different people would have you believe. Hell I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt, Oklahoma, and from the party functions I have attended, the people I've met, etc... I would say that the percentage of ultra religious Republicans here is probably less than 20%.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

Buchanan, Robertson, Duke... I'd consider these far right "thinkers" to be fascists. Even most of the moderate Republicans fall into the fascist camp more often than not. What is Fascism

Hmmm....ok well then let's not leave out Senator Robert "Grand Wizard" Byrd.

You might also want to research people who write papers before you post a link to something they wrote as proof to your argument. Paul Halsall, who wrote the text you linked above, appears to be a leftist and maybe a bit of a flake. Do some looking and you'll find his research into homosexuality and Medieval times. You'll also find a list he maintains of "Who was Queer" his words not mine, throughout history.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

Buchanan, Robertson, Duke... I'd consider these far right "thinkers" to be fascists. Even most of the moderate Republicans fall into the fascist camp more often than not. What is Fascism

Buchanan is not a Republican and Duke, when he ran, did not run as a Republican, IIRC.

 

[Zebo]

Byrd Was never a "grand wizard" He was in for less than a year and was very young (22). To be a grand wizard you need age and experiance. Lott would qualify.

 

[Zebo]

Buchanan and I share about 85% of our beliefs. I guess I'm a republican and did'nt know it.

Here are his views some repulican and some democrat

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Byrd Was never a "grand wizard" He was in for less than a year and was very young (22). To be a grand wizard you need age and experiance. Lott would qualify.

Hmmm...well I don't believe Lott was ever in the KKK as was Byrd.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: axiom
Take an economics class. You're absolutely wrong with your statement that the rich will get richer. The tax cuts ensure one major thing, they are put forth to encourge investment. If you understood economics you'd understand that tax cuts are put in place to increase the size of the middle class.

Ahem.... My undergraduate degree is in business, so I have a reasonable understanding of economics. 🙂

Bush's proposed tax cuts wont do squat to encourage investment. Aside from the very rich, most investors' stock holdings are in things like 401K's, so their investments are already tax sheltered. Where's the "encouragement" for them to invest more? With rising unemployment, many of us have far more immediate uses for whatever extra money we can get from some form of tax break.

Even in the face of monumental deficits, if the government is going to give up some of its revenue, there are far more effective things that can be done with the money to help those most in need to improve their earning potential far more quickly. Bush's analytical skills are on about the same level his lame abuse of the English language. :disgust:

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

Buchanan, Robertson, Duke... I'd consider these far right "thinkers" to be fascists. Even most of the moderate Republicans fall into the fascist camp more often than not. What is Fascism

Hmmm....ok well then let's not leave out Senator Robert "Grand Wizard" Byrd.

You might also want to research people who write papers before you post a link to something they wrote as proof to your argument. Paul Halsall, who wrote the text you linked above, appears to be a leftist and maybe a bit of a flake. Do some looking and you'll find his research into homosexuality and Medieval times. You'll also find a list he maintains of "Who was Queer" his words not mine, throughout history.

????? It's a fricken history book excerpt. Is that not Fascism in a nut shell?

I can quote mossulini if you want, maybe you can believe what he has to say about fascism.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Byrd Was never a "grand wizard" He was in for less than a year and was very young (22). To be a grand wizard you need age and experiance. Lott would qualify.

Hmmm...well I don't believe Lott was ever in the KKK as was Byrd.

Byrd has a long history of largely ignored racism. In the 60s he wrote that he would never serve in the military alongside a person of color (though he said it less nicely than my paraphrase). And only last year he used the term "n_____" on Fox News. Outcrys of Byrd's insensitivity from the mainstream press = zero.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Byrd Was never a "grand wizard" He was in for less than a year and was very young (22). To be a grand wizard you need age and experiance. Lott would qualify.

Hmmm...well I don't believe Lott was ever in the KKK as was Byrd.

Byrd has a long history of largely ignored racism. In the 60s he wrote that he would never serve in the military alongside a person of color (though he said it less nicely than my paraphrase). And only last year he used the term "n_____" on Fox News. Outcrys of Byrd's insensitivity from the mainstream press = zero.

I don't disagree with that but the mainstream press and blacks let that old cracker stay around cause they give em' what they want passed legislation wise. He is another king of debt.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Harvey
Once again, his economic "plan" continues to stroke his rich contributors but does little or nothing for most Americans. We've been down this path, before. All that happens is, the rich get richer, and the poor will have more children with less education and health care. :disgust:

Maybe the poor should stop having so many children.

Hitler tried to control who had children also, seems to be a popular fascist solution.

And Hitler also taxed the hell out of the German people. He also restricted gun ownership, inforced a policy of forced abortions, controlled what the press could say/print, and gave lip service to the poor while all the time fattening himself and what he considered the elite of society.

Hey....you know what....that sounds just like the Democratic platform.

Right.... except hitler was a fascist, as are Republicans in general. Democrats typically are socialists remember. Or maybe Democrats are both fascists and socialists in your eyes?!?! If that's the case you need to get commited. Next thing you're going to start spouting about is how the Republican's want less governemt and are fiscally responcible.

I'll agree with you that a large portion of the Democratic party is Socialist. To say that Republicans are Fascist though it retarded. You're so blinded by your hated of Republicans that you can't see the truth before your eyes.

So you'll agree with saying something negative about the Democrats but not Republicans. Let me guess....you're a Republican?

I'm a Republican....now....I was originally registered a Democrat, even ran for office as one......then I saw how the party really worked....and what the people that run it truly believe. I couldn't switch fast enough. I know the Republican Party has it's faults as well, but to say it's Fascist is stupid. Anyone can tell you that the heart of the Democratic Party is made up of far left leaning Socialists, the same cannot be said for Republican's and Fascists.

Buchanan, Robertson, Duke... I'd consider these far right "thinkers" to be fascists. Even most of the moderate Republicans fall into the fascist camp more often than not. What is Fascism

Hmmm....ok well then let's not leave out Senator Robert "Grand Wizard" Byrd.

You might also want to research people who write papers before you post a link to something they wrote as proof to your argument. Paul Halsall, who wrote the text you linked above, appears to be a leftist and maybe a bit of a flake. Do some looking and you'll find his research into homosexuality and Medieval times. You'll also find a list he maintains of "Who was Queer" his words not mine, throughout history.

????? It's a fricken history book excerpt. Is that not Fascism in a nut shell?

I can quote mossulini if you want, maybe you can believe what he has to say about fascism.

Oh it's a fairly decent description of Fascism. That being said, what does that have to do with the Republican Party. One of the main tenets of the Republican Party is the rights of the individual over the rights of the state. The following excerpt from your linked text flies right in the face of that tenet.

"Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State."

That alone is enough to refute your weak argument that Republicans are Fascists.

 

[Moonbeam]

SagaLore, You should take the nut thing up with our resident CPA. He liked the idea. Bali, when in Rome, be a flake. Isn't that how that ancient saying goes? 😀

 

[43st]

Oh it's a fairly decent description of Fascism. That being said, what does that have to do with the Republican Party. One of the main tenets of the Republican Party is the rights of the individual over the rights of the state. The following excerpt from your linked text flies right in the face of that tenet.

"Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State."

That alone is enough to refute your weak argument that Republicans are Fascists.

Absolute as opposed to the liberal's state which is viewed as evolving government structure rooted in assisting the citizenry. The GOP platform is to remove government involvement from the people.

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual.