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The Pre-built ATX tower hot deals thread.

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First deal is the following Acer with Core i5 6400, 1 x 8GB DDR3L 1600, 2TB HD and Windows 10 Home for $399.99 free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101452








This is a 27.5 liter mATX (with a drive layout similar to the fractal design Core 1000). It comes with a 300W PSU.

Core i5 6400 turbo behavior listed below:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005647.html

1C 3.3 Ghz
2C 3.2 Ghz
3C 3.1 Ghz
4C 3.1 Ghz

P.S. Certainly a dual slot video card could be mounted in this PC, just make sure it is one of the shorter ones without a power connector. (Maximum GPU at this time would be one of the GTX 1050 Ti cards) EDIT: It might be this desktop could take a longer power connector-less dual slot video card if the hard drive is mounted in the top position rather than the bottom position (see post #5)
 
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If anyone buys a PC from this thread let us know how it works out.

I am also interested to hear your experiences with a video card as well (noise, game smoothness, video editing, etc).
 

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FSP Group PSU. That pretty much means an all clear about whether it is "good enough". No, it's not a Seasonic Prime, but it isn't garbage.
 

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Looking at the picture in the opening post:



I'm thinking If a person moved the bottom mounted 2TB 3.5" drive to the top drive mount position, I'll bet a pretty long card could be installed. Granted, it would still need to be one of the power connector-less models but it could be one of the larger versions with two fans like the third GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti SSC GAMING ACX 3.0) in the following comparison:

http://www.evga.com/Products/Compare.aspx

Or this Power color RX460 2GB:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202228

Furthermore, in that bottom drive position there should still be room for a 2.5" SSD.

NOTE: With one of these longer (non blower) cards, I'll bet an exhaust fan will have to be added to PC. In fact, does this PC even have an intake fan?
 
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The Newegg reviews (on both the Skylake and Kabylake version) mention this desktop only having two SATA ports (both occupied). So if a second storage drive (edit: outside of M.2 form factor) is added either a SATA add-in card would have to be used (there is a PCIe x1 slot above the PCIe x 16 slot) or the optical drive needs to be disconnected.

P.S. If adding a 2.5" SATA 6Gbps SSD I strongly suggest connecting it to the motherboard's native SATA 6 Gbps port rather than the SATA add-in-card. (re: SATA 6 Gbps performance via PCIe 2.0 x1 is lower than native SATA 6Gbps).
 
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Those Acer pre-builts aren't horrible, but they have enough dis-advantages that I'm probably going to build, rather than buy one of them. Although, if they have enough room to throw in a GTX 1050 ti, they could make a gaming rig on the cheap in a pinch.
 

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Although, if they have enough room to throw in a GTX 1050 ti, they could make a gaming rig on the cheap in a pinch.
This PC should be able to fit any of these cards without moving the hard drive to the upper mounting position:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133639&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487290&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500411&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125916&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137056&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500410

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487291&ignorebbr=1

P.S. Pretty amazing that all those shorty cards with the exception of the last one have a five egg rating at this time. (So far 95 reviews combined for the first six cards and 50 reviews for the last one, an overclocked model with a very short 5.7" length)
 
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First one is a Win. $125 shipped. Great card for the money.

I dont trust any of the AMD 460/470s with their throttling issues.
 

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Those Acer pre-builts aren't horrible, but they have enough dis-advantages that I'm probably going to build, rather than buy one of them.
After factoring in the M.2 slot for SSD* (see my edit of post #7) I actually think its pretty decent feature wise for a basic computer with H110 chipset. Now granted the iGPU only has 2 x HDMI but I've found HDMI to DVI-I adapters (or cables) to be fairly cheap. VGA monitor, of course, would need an active adapter and these can be a bit pricey.

*SATA 6 Gbps or NVMe?
 
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VirtualLarry

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First one is a Win. $125 shipped. Great card for the money.
Figures. When I finally drop some coin ($150 ea) on some 4GB RX 470 cards, then the GTX 1050 ti cards drop to $120. And Newegg is/was selling (now sold out) some Asus ROG STRIX RX 470 4GB card for $120 AR.

Prices, they are getting good on dGPUs! Too bad RAM and SSDs are up.
 

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If you put much of a gpu in that case you are going to want a new PSU. My guess is that you don't want to run the FSP psu above 80% (or 240 watts). The cpu and drives probably use close to 90 watt (perhaps 120 watt on start up). Definitly don't want a 200 watt gpu :)


Looking at the picture in the opening post:



I'm thinking If a person moved the bottom mounted 2TB 3.5" drive to the top drive mount position, I'll bet a pretty long card could be installed. Granted, it would still need to be one of the power connector-less models but it could be one of the larger versions with two fans like the third GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti SSC GAMING ACX 3.0) in the following comparison:

http://www.evga.com/Products/Compare.aspx

Or this Power color RX460 2GB:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202228

Furthermore, in that bottom drive position there should still be room for a 2.5" SSD.

NOTE: With one of these longer (non blower) cards, I'll bet an exhaust fan will have to be added to PC. In fact, does this PC even have an intake fan?
 

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If you put much of a gpu in that case you are going to want a new PSU. My guess is that you don't want to run the FSP psu above 80% (or 240 watts). The cpu and drives probably use close to 90 watt (perhaps 120 watt on start up). Definitly don't want a 200 watt gpu :)
If start-up (ie, booting) were 120W at the PSU (not the wall) that would leave 120W for the dGPU given your figure of 240W (for 80% load on the 300W PSU). Assuming there are at least two free molex (for a six pin PCIe adapter) on two separate strands from the PSU and there are enough amps on the 12v rail(s) that would be enough for a stock clocked RX470 which is rated at 110W.

With that mentioned, one other molex (beyond the two needed for the six pin PCIe adapter) would be needed for an exhaust fan as well. That brings the number of free molex needed up to three. (EDIT: Motherboard most likely has four pin header for PWM case fan).

So while it is possible RX470 could work (with 120W start-up) it also depends on the FSP 300W PSU being one of the better models. (re: I have seen some (older?) FSP 300W PSU with specs that are too low on the 12v rails to handle something like a RX470).

Another thing to consider is if Acer uses other PSU OEMs besides FSP for this desktop. So even if the FSP 300W PSU spec'd for this desktop happens to work well enough for RX470 (and 120W start-up) it may be that some of the desktops come with another brand of 300W PSU that is not suitable (via lack of power and/or lack of connectors).

Also not all processors are the same. So even if one desktop with a Core i5 7400 boots lower than the expected 120W or 90W it doesn't mean they all will. Though I imagine if boot cost ends up being much lower than the expected 120W or 90W even the worst bin Core i5 7400 would still be fine.

With that mentioned, this desktop does have a slim optical drive.....so that is going to lower the boot-up energy costs compared to the (expected) full size optical drive. Not sure how much this saves though....it might not be much.

P.S. Official recommendation for RX470 is 450W PSU (Amazingly this is 150W higher than the 300W PSU recommended for the GTX 1050 Ti. This even though the stock clocked 110W RX470 only has a 35W higher TDP compared to the 75W GTX 1050 Ti)
 
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An alternative to using a 2x molex to 6 pin PCIe adapter is a 2x SATA to 6 pin PCIe adapter (see below);

(NOTE: In order to be safe each molex or SATA on these 6 pin PCIe adapters needs to be coming from a separate strand on the PSU. This assuming the PSU even has enough amps on the 12v rail(s) to handle the system load)

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/697987/StarTechcom-6in-SATA-Power-to-6/?cm_mmc=PLA-_-Google-_-Networking_Cables-_-697987-VQ6-176892622219-VQ16-c-VQ17-pla-VQ18-online-VQ19-697987-VQ20-61865531738-VQ21--VQ22-749781041-VQ27-40974042604&adpos=1o1&creative=176892622219&device=c&matchtype=&network=s&gclid=CKrJj4qtldMCFROUfgodobcOSA

 
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According to the latest Newegg review (on 4/9/2017) for the Kabylake version, the M.2 slot is SATA 6 Gbps. There must also be a four pin header on the motherboard because the reviewer added a PWM case fan.

This review is from:
Acer Desktop Computer Aspire ATC-780A-UR12 Intel Core i5 7th Gen 7400 (3.0 GHz) 8 GB DDR4 1 TB HDD Intel HD Graphics 630 Windows 10 Home 64-Bit

Pros: Best bang for the buck on the market. Power supply is not an issue due to lower power consumption of newer components.

Cons: No SSD and no case fan.
Other Thoughts:
I added a Crucial 275GB MX300 SATA M.2 Internal SSD and an ARCTIC F8 PWM Rev. 2 Fluid Dynamic Bearing Case Fan, 80mm PWM Speed Control. You may want to consider a faster SSD than I did such as the SAMSUNG 960 EVO M.2 250GB NVMe PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V6E250BW but you may want to research to make sure the slot on the board is PCI-Express 3.0 x4 compatible. I may add more RAM later, especially if I see price drop in DDR4. My wife runs Lightroom and it's Lightning fast with this setup. The graphics acceleration feature in Lighroom is compatible with the integrated Intel Graphics card, which has come a long way. I don't game, but I've read that the internal card is sufficient for most games, although heavy gamers will want to add a dedicated graphics card and possibly go AMD on the processor to shift some of the budget to the cost of the additional graphics card.
 
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Newegg has this Acer on sale for $699.99 - $35 promo code NAFCRPTF64

6th Gen (Skylake) Intel Core i7-6700 Quad-Core (3.4GHz, Turbo 4GHz, 8MB L3 cache)
8GB DDR4 2133MHz (64GB max)
1TB HDD (7200rpm)
AMD Radeon RX 480 4GB GDDR5
Gigabit Ethernet
802.11ac Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 4.0
DVD Burner
HDMI
2x M.2 (1 Available)
6x USB 3.0
500W PSU
Windows 10 Home
Keyboard + Mouse

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101473&cm_sp=Homepage_FDD-_-P1_83-101-473-_-04182017

Not bad for a system with an i7 and an RX 480.
 
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The Kabylake version of the Skylake Acer PC in the opening post has arrived. Notable change is Core i5 7400 replacing Core i5 6400 and DDR4 2400 replacing DDR3L 1600. Hard drive size did decrease from 2TB to 1TB though. Price $399.99 free shipping

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101530&ignorebbr=1

One sale again at both Newegg and Fry's for $399.99 free shipping.

http://www.frys.com/product/9109958?source=google&gclid=CMSm1oa8n9MCFUaTfgod5nIMMA
 

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