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The power of private charity

zendari

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With New Orleans little more than a fetid soup bowl and southern Mississippi reduced to a flat, slab-speckled landscape, as many as 1,000,000 Americans must rely on the kindness of strangers for food, water and other basic needs. They may depend on that kindness for months.

In times like these Americans are reminded of the importance of private charity. It is a lesson we will not soon forget.
Federal and local government programs, of course, are making huge efforts and progress as well. The military and police, needless to say, are always invaluable in search and rescue efforts. I don't mean to diminish the good work those public servants have done and will continue to do saving and rebuilding lives. What I do say is that private charity allows the generosity and ingenuity of Americans to meet the unpredictability of life head-on in a way a staid government program never could.

Charity can work quickly. It can be tailored to the needs of specific victims. It can move in unorthodox ways to fix unprecedented problems. And the results can be astounding.

My liberal friends often accuse me of being uninterested in helping the less fortunate simply because I'm conservative. Since I'm not interested in forcing public funding of the government's social programs, they insist, I must want poor people to suffer.

'Tis not true.

There are many reasons conservatives trumpet private charity as the best way to fix societal problems. During this national tragedy, I believe events on the ground will show that it's not an unreasonable belief.

First, I don't believe an individual's commitment to helping the less fortunate can be measured by the amount of money one thinks the government should take from others. Having money taken from you does not make you charitable. Conversely, believing the government should leave people's hard-earned money alone does not make one uncharitable.

Rather, the charity is in the giving. If my liberal friends really believed that arguing for big government programs covered their responsibility to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, they'd put on an "I Donated to FEMA April 15th" t-shirt and call it a day. Of course, they won't do that. If I know them, they'll give.

My liberal friends are incredulous when I say that private charity could match the problem-solving power of the federal government. They say their fellow citizens would never give enough of their own volition. I disagree. When the long recovery from Katrina is someday over, I'm confident my fellow Americans will have proved my faith is not misplaced. They may even gain a few new believers along the way.


Are liberals really interested in "helping the poor", or are they interested in forcing the "evil rich Republicans" to help the poor while the liberals sit on their couch drinking beer?

The liberals say they beleive in choice, but only if its their choice I suppose. Otherwise its coercion.
 
Why do "conservatives" believe in corporate welfare and protectionist legislation instead of a truly free market?

:roll:

(Welcome back, Rip.)
 
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂
 
Private Charity is good, but it is slow to respond and limited by resources and even awareness. Public Charity has the infrastructure, equipment, organization, and ability to react swiftly when needed(unless of course some schmuck hires the clueless to manage them). Both are needed, both have Pros/Cons.
 
Well, it's an interesting hypothesis, but I see nothing to back it up. Private charity would obviously only work as a replacement if it could actually replace all government programs do. It's not a silver bullet, and while private charity is certainly responsible for many good things, I've seen nothing to suggest that without taxes for government programs, private charity would suddenly end up with the same capabilities. Might that happen? Could be, but until there is hard data to support that, I don't see how anyone could reasonably support that sort of thing. Unless of course they have another agenda (no, never!).
 
Which came first mr. private charity people needing goverment assestance or goverment providing assestance and please bring some prof with your answer.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?

Umm to keep people from freezing to death, starving to death, commiting crimes etc, etc,
 
a) some services are absolutely critical, ie. military, education, healthcare (not open for debate)
b) The likelihood enough resources will go to the correct areas that need it is bad.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?

Probably because they won't or won't donate enough to meet the need. There are already thousands in the US that could use Medical treatment, money for an education, and many other forms of needs met that Public "Charity" doesn't cover. Private Charity even misses those Needs, you expect no Public Charity to improve the situation?
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?

Probably because they won't or won't donate enough to meet the need. There are already thousands in the US that could use Medical treatment, money for an education, and many other forms of needs met that Public "Charity" doesn't cover. Private Charity even misses those Needs, you expect no Public Charity to improve the situation?

Then maybe some individuals should start putting their money where their mouth is.

Some of todays republicans are acting like the old lefties and it is disgusting. Private charity doesn't have the money because of liberal entitlement schemes taking it all and dumping it.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?

Probably because they won't or won't donate enough to meet the need. There are already thousands in the US that could use Medical treatment, money for an education, and many other forms of needs met that Public "Charity" doesn't cover. Private Charity even misses those Needs, you expect no Public Charity to improve the situation?

Then maybe some individuals should start putting their money where their mouth is.

Some of todays republicans are acting like the old lefties and it is disgusting. Private charity doesn't have the money because of liberal entitlement schemes taking it all and dumping it.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but do you have any, you know, facts to back that up? I think the potential with private charities is that people WON'T donate the same amount of money that they "donate" now through taxes. Certainly some of this will be made up by the fact that private charities have less overhead, but I have doubts that they will be able to provide the same total level of service.
 
Why do top GOP members, especially Bush, force the donation of taxes to faith based charities? Can't people give on their own? Why are taxes given to charities to begin with? You support using charities instead of taxation yet your own party gives tax money to charities.

*sigh*
 
Question: The resources used to respond to Katrina (however limited), were they paid for by federal taxes or state taxes?
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Why do top GOP members, especially Bush, force the donation of taxes to faith based charities? Can't people give on their own? Why are taxes given to charities to begin with? You support using charities instead of taxation yet your own party gives tax money to charities.

*sigh*

At least they do it better than the Democrats. Better faith based charities than abortion programs.

According to the liberals here, they aren't interested in donating on their own.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Why do top GOP members, especially Bush, force the donation of taxes to faith based charities? Can't people give on their own? Why are taxes given to charities to begin with? You support using charities instead of taxation yet your own party gives tax money to charities.

*sigh*

At least they do it better than the Democrats. Better faith based charities that abortion programs.

According to the liberals here, they aren't interested in donating on their own.

Why?

Nice false dichotomy, too - why 'better faith-based charities' than 'faith independent charities'?
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?

Probably because they won't or won't donate enough to meet the need. There are already thousands in the US that could use Medical treatment, money for an education, and many other forms of needs met that Public "Charity" doesn't cover. Private Charity even misses those Needs, you expect no Public Charity to improve the situation?

Then maybe some individuals should start putting their money where their mouth is.

Some of todays republicans are acting like the old lefties and it is disgusting. Private charity doesn't have the money because of liberal entitlement schemes taking it all and dumping it.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but do you have any, you know, facts to back that up? I think the potential with private charities is that people WON'T donate the same amount of money that they "donate" now through taxes. Certainly some of this will be made up by the fact that private charities have less overhead, but I have doubts that they will be able to provide the same total level of service.

This isn't actually true in the 'general' case. Many private charities strggle mightily to get even 50% of donated money into program spending. This is often because they are too small and as such have too much overhead.

The United Way is one of the largest charities around, with a relatively large (in absilute terms) administrative overhead; but in terms of d'ollars to programs' / 'dollars donated', they are one of the best around.

Bigger isn't always better, but sometimes it is more efficient; and government run programs certainly wrote the book on 'big'.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Most people would choose not to provide private charity...I know I wouldn't. I never donate to charity or to homeless on the street, I'm somewhat glad my money is taken from me for the good it does (even though i think we can do the same thing with less - gov't is bloated).

I'm a conservative and I do not advocate private charity 🙂

So if you believe people won't donate on their own free will, why are a few elitists forcing us to?

Probably because they won't or won't donate enough to meet the need. There are already thousands in the US that could use Medical treatment, money for an education, and many other forms of needs met that Public "Charity" doesn't cover. Private Charity even misses those Needs, you expect no Public Charity to improve the situation?

Then maybe some individuals should start putting their money where their mouth is.

Some of todays republicans are acting like the old lefties and it is disgusting. Private charity doesn't have the money because of liberal entitlement schemes taking it all and dumping it.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but do you have any, you know, facts to back that up? I think the potential with private charities is that people WON'T donate the same amount of money that they "donate" now through taxes. Certainly some of this will be made up by the fact that private charities have less overhead, but I have doubts that they will be able to provide the same total level of service.

This isn't actually true in the 'general' case. Many private charities strggle mightily to get even 50% of donated money into program spending. This is often because they are too small and as such have too much overhead.

The United Way is one of the largest charities around, with a relatively large (in absilute terms) administrative overhead; but in terms of d'ollars to programs' / 'dollars donated', they are one of the best around.

Bigger isn't always better, but sometimes it is more efficient; and government run programs certainly wrote the book on 'big'.

Hmm, didn't know that, interesting. I suppose it makes some sense, economies of scale and all that. It would be interesting to see how side by side comparisons with different charities and government programs.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Why do top GOP members, especially Bush, force the donation of taxes to faith based charities? Can't people give on their own? Why are taxes given to charities to begin with? You support using charities instead of taxation yet your own party gives tax money to charities.

*sigh*

At least they do it better than the Democrats. Better faith based charities that abortion programs.

According to the liberals here, they aren't interested in donating on their own.

Why?

Nice false dichotomy, too - why 'better faith-based charities' than 'faith independent charities'?

Because I burned him on his own topic of private charities vs taxation and he had to find a spin to suit his agenda.

 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Why do top GOP members, especially Bush, force the donation of taxes to faith based charities? Can't people give on their own? Why are taxes given to charities to begin with? You support using charities instead of taxation yet your own party gives tax money to charities.

*sigh*

At least they do it better than the Democrats. Better faith based charities that abortion programs.

According to the liberals here, they aren't interested in donating on their own.

Why?

Nice false dichotomy, too - why 'better faith-based charities' than 'faith independent charities'?

Because I burned him on his own topic of private charities vs taxation and he had to find a spin to suit his agenda.

Noooo! Not Zed. He would never do that. How long before Clinton gets tossed into the argument???
 
Are you purposely plagarizing the article you reference or do you not know how to use " marks?

Programs supported totally by private charities have a place and so do those supported by the govermnent.

You are a Anarchist palin and simple so quit trying to hide behind a "Conservative" label.
 
Why does anyone still respond to Zendari's posts anymore? He never presesnts a logical, non-loaded question in his topics. Nor has he ever provided a link that actually backs up his statements, but instead makes you wonder how in the hell could he come to his/her demented conclusions from the linked article anyway. And his arguements can always be simplified to this general statement:

"Why are all Democrats/Liberals/Lefties/'Anyonethatdoesnotthinkexactlylikeme' such big evil stupid douchebags that hate America or GWB(since GWB = America)?"

At least some of the other far 'righters' make a decent arguement every once in a while that results in a good discussion.
 
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