The poor don't work because it doesn't make economic sense to hold a job

[ShawnD1]

Most people at that level receive $1 a year salary, they make their money on stocks/options which wouldn't be used to determine median income.

As soon as they sell the stock, it counts as income. Everything from bill gates' big house to his van to his computer was at one time reported as income as a result of either selling stock or receiving dividends from stock. He still writes it on his taxes as a type of income.

 

[wuliheron]

My daughter, nieces, and nephew all worked while they were in high school, the youngest just graduated from high school. They all earned minimum wage or better working at grocery stores, Veterinary office assistant, and paving crew worker. At the current time with the exception of my daughter (currently in the Army), they're going to college and still making better than minimum wage. This is in that same rural area of Southwestern Virginia.

Virginia is doing better then the vast majority of states. Its a pretty recession proof economy with Northern Virginia being a suburb of D.C. and Tidewater being the largest military base in the world. The politics are fiscally conservative on both sides of the isle and Mark Warner whipped the economy into shape just before the economic collapse.

Good thing too because when congress starts getting serious about cuts Virginia jobs will feel it more then most. Then the state revenues will suffer, taxes will increase, you'll feel the impact even in rural parts of the state where the state and fed subsidizes a lot. Most notably farm subsidies.

 

[nobodyknows]

You mean Newt's best work, right?

I t6hought newt's "best work" was persecuting Clinton about his character because of the Lewinsky affair whilst hye hadhis own mistress on the si8de the whole time. LOL, but he's seen the light now, asked God for forgiveness and is runni8ng for POTUS. What a POS hypocrite he is. Righties would do better not to even bring his name up.

 

[blackangst1]

I t6hought newt's "best work" was persecuting Clinton about his character because of the Lewinsky affair whilst hye hadhis own mistress on the si8de the whole time. LOL, but he's seen the light now, asked God for forgiveness and is runni8ng for POTUS. What a POS hypocrite he is. Righties would do better not to even bring his name up.

Clinton: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Gingrich: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Clinton: Commited a felony (perjury). Check
Gingrinch: Didnt. Check.

See the difference here? Or are you one of the delusional ones who thinks it was about the affair?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Virginia is doing better then the vast majority of states. Its a pretty recession proof economy with Northern Virginia being a suburb of D.C. and Tidewater being the largest military base in the world. The politics are fiscally conservative on both sides of the isle and Mark Warner whipped the economy into shape just before the economic collapse.

Good thing too because when congress starts getting serious about cuts Virginia jobs will feel it more then most. Then the state revenues will suffer, taxes will increase, you'll feel the impact even in rural parts of the state where the state and fed subsidizes a lot. Most notably farm subsidies.

Obviously you didn't read what I wrote, I stated a rural area in Southwestern Virginia. It's about 4 1/2 hours away by car from DC or the tidewater area. Far enough away that it's not as affected as rural areas closer to the northern and eastern parts of the state.

Budget cuts will affect all Americans. Cutting of farm subsidies will affect everyone as well.

 

[HendrixFan]

Clinton: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Gingrich: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Clinton: Commited a felony (perjury). Check
Gingrinch: Didnt. Check.

See the difference here? Or are you one of the delusional ones who thinks it was about the affair?

Whoa. Whoa. WHOA.

Clinton is a felon? You have a link for that claim?

 

[ShawnD1]

Whoa. Whoa. WHOA.

Clinton is a felon? You have a link for that claim?

????

It was on TV every damn day for like a year straight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Perjury_charges

Perjury charges

In his deposition for the Jones lawsuit, Clinton denied having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky. Based on the evidence provided by Tripp, a blue dress with Clinton's semen, Starr concluded that this sworn testimony was false and perjurious.

During the deposition, Clinton was asked "Have you ever had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, as that term is defined in Deposition Exhibit 1, as modified by the Court?" The judge ordered that Clinton be given an opportunity to review the agreed definition. Afterwards, based on the definition created by the Independent Counsel's Office, Clinton answered "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." Clinton later stated, "I thought the definition included any activity by [me], where was the actor and came in contact with those parts of the bodies" which had been explicitly listed (and "with an intent to gratify or arouse the sexual desire of any person"). In other words, Clinton denied that he had ever contacted Lewinsky's "genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks", and effectively claimed that the agreed-upon definition of "sexual relations" included giving oral sex but excluded receiving oral sex.[24]

Two months after the Senate failed to convict him, President Clinton was held in civil contempt of court by Judge Susan D. Webber Wright.[25] His license to practice law was suspended in Arkansas for five years and later by the United States Supreme Court.[26] He was also fined $90,000 for giving false testimony.[27]

He straight up lied in court and he lawyered his way out of jail. Perjury doesn't just mean one lied in court; it can also mean one didn't give the full truth when directly questioned or is technically corrected based on some kind of bullshit technicality.

I'll include a real example of how this works. There was a court case where a man was asked if he knew where some "anonymous" money to buy text books came from. He said he didn't know. What really happened was he was the one who made the single anonymous donation, but the money was collected by anonymous donations from a larger group of people. While he didn't know who put in exactly how much money, he damn well did know where that money came from. He may not have lied when he said he didn't know exactly where the money came from, but he was close to being charged with perjury because he withheld information.

 

[wuliheron]

Obviously you didn't read what I wrote, I stated a rural area in Southwestern Virginia. It's about 4 1/2 hours away by car from DC or the tidewater area. Far enough away that it's not as affected as rural areas closer to the northern and eastern parts of the state.

Budget cuts will affect all Americans. Cutting of farm subsidies will affect everyone as well.

I used to live in the Charlottesville area and have a pretty good idea of what the local economy is like. Its certainly not as rural as West Virginia or the more depressed parts of the state, but that's like bragging you don't live in the third world. Most of those places are lucky if they have decent access, aren't prone to natural disasters and bad weather, and can grow more then just trees in the rocks and sand. They're in the middle of nowhere because nobody wants to live anywhere near there.

You're right that budget cuts will affect everyone, but half of all the poor in America live in rural areas while 80% of all Americans live in the cities and suburbs. These people are already hurting and any hit to the local economy will only make things worse. Being only four and half hours drive from a major metropolitan area won't help them much.

 

[HendrixFan]

????

It was on TV every damn day for like a year straight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Perjury_charges



He straight up lied in court and he lawyered his way out of jail. Perjury doesn't just mean one lied in court; it can also mean one didn't give the full truth when directly questioned or is technically corrected based on some kind of bullshit technicality.

I'll include a real example of how this works. There was a court case where a man was asked if he knew where some "anonymous" money to buy text books came from. He said he didn't know. What really happened was he was the one who made the single anonymous donation, but the money was collected by anonymous donations from a larger group of people. While he didn't know who put in exactly how much money, he damn well did know where that money came from. He may not have lied when he said he didn't know exactly where the money came from, but he was close to being charged with perjury because he withheld information.

So you don't know what perjury or felony means?

 

[ShawnD1]

So you don't know what perjury or felony means?

You don't know what words means?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

Perjury, also known as forswearing, lying under oath or lying on oath, is the willful act of swearing a false oath or affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to a judicial proceeding.[1] That is, the witness falsely promises to tell the truth about matters which affect the outcome of the case. For example, it is not considered perjury to lie about one's age unless age is a factor in determining the legal result, such as eligibility for old age retirement benefits.

In the United States, for example, the general perjury statute under Federal law defines perjury as a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to five years.

what means this words?!!?!?!

Clinton was fined for giving false testimony. That is the legal definition of perjury. He bought his way out of jail because he's super rich. If you did the exact same thing, you'd be in jail right now.

 

[HendrixFan]

Go beyond Wikipedia for a second. Perjury has to involve a material matter, and even then it isn't necessarily perjury. As a reminder, the issue of topic involved a conscious deception, but something less than perjurous lie, in answer to a convoluted question about an extraneous matter in a sex harassment suit involving something that happened a couple years before Clinton took office and which itself was finally dismissed since the plaintiff had no legal claim.

False testimony does not mean perjury. Material matter is the important distinction in this situation. Not only that, Clinton was never tried or convicted of perjury making him most definitely not a felon.

So again, I reiterate, Clinton is a felon? You have a link for that claim?

Edit: Do you think consensual sex is a material matter in a sexual harassment case? If so you are on an island.

 

[blackangst1]

Go beyond Wikipedia for a second. Perjury has to involve a material matter, and even then it isn't necessarily perjury. As a reminder, the issue of topic involved a conscious deception, but something less than perjurous lie, in answer to a convoluted question about an extraneous matter in a sex harassment suit involving something that happened a couple years before Clinton took office and which itself was finally dismissed since the plaintiff had no legal claim.

False testimony does not mean perjury. Material matter is the important distinction in this situation. Not only that, Clinton was never tried or convicted of perjury making him most definitely not a felon.

So again, I reiterate, Clinton is a felon? You have a link for that claim?

Edit: Do you think consensual sex is a material matter in a sexual harassment case? If so you are on an island.

ORLY?

lulz

 

[HendrixFan]

ORLY?

lulz

Impeached.

The settlement that Clinton signed off on never went to court.

Care to show proof that he is a felon yet?

 

[alkemyst]

Clinton: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Gingrich: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Clinton: Commited a felony (perjury). Check
Gingrinch: Didnt. Check.

See the difference here? Or are you one of the delusional ones who thinks it was about the affair?

The problem is many wives really don't care about affairs...even encourage them.

It's all about comfort in the relationship.

In the end, as a whole women aren't so sex crazy. Yes, some are.

In the end, as a whole men are sex crazy. Yes, some are not.

My wife and I had a good thing, then my income got shaky as did our relationship.

Her comfort wasn't being met and neither was mine.

Life worked itself out.

 

[blackangst1]

Impeached.

The settlement that Clinton signed off on never went to court.

Care to show proof that he is a felon yet?

Fair enough. The senate dismissed it.

I guess OJ is innocent too *shrug*

 

[alkemyst]

Fair enough. The senate dismissed it.

I guess OJ is innocent too *shrug*

no just NOT GULITY.

I think you live in the wrong country.

 

[Throckmorton]

My daughter, nieces, and nephew all worked while they were in high school, the youngest just graduated from high school. They all earned minimum wage or better working at grocery stores, Veterinary office assistant, and paving crew worker. At the current time with the exception of my daughter (currently in the Army), they're going to college and still making better than minimum wage. This is in that same rural area of Southwestern Virginia.

Sounds like the exception to the normal state of affairs

 

[blackangst1]

no just NOT GULITY.

I think you live in the wrong country.

No, innocent. There is always the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

 

[ShawnD1]

No, innocent. There is always the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Judge judy said it best.

punk: ".... trial where I was found innocent.."
judge judy: "There's a difference between innocent and not guilty. Innocent means you didn't do it. Not guilty means it couldn't be proven."

She's just saying it to slam the person's mind against the wall a little, but what she's saying is basically true. While you may be innocent, a verdict of "not guilty" only says it could not be proven. Whether you did or not is something totally different.

 

[nobodyknows]

Clinton: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Gingrich: Had an affair. Douchebag check.
Clinton: Commited a felony (perjury). Check
Gingrinch: Didnt. Check.

See the difference here? Or are you one of the delusional ones who thinks it was about the affair?

LOL, iT was all about harrasing Clinton to death via Ken Star. Clinton had a chance to take out Osama bin Laden, but wasn't 110% sure it was him. If he would have given the order and been wrong, delusional ones like you would have supported Ken Star bringing Clinton up on murder charges.

Starr went after hyim on everything he could and all they could hang on him was the Lewinsky affair? Gingrich claimed it went to "character". LOL, he's on his third wife, what a hypocrite.

 

[HendrixFan]

Fair enough. The senate dismissed it.

I guess OJ is innocent too *shrug*

Still not seeing the importance of material matters in a perjury case?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Sounds like the exception to the normal state of affairs

Funny I see the same exact thing in the Houston area. There are far more teens working the minimum wage jobs while the adults are working jobs that are paid at rates above minimum wage.

 

[alkemyst]

Funny I see the same exact thing in the Houston area. There are far more teens working the minimum wage jobs while the adults are working jobs that are paid at rates above minimum wage.

The problem is is when most people are shopping the adults already did the morning/day shifts and the kids are doing the afterschool/evening.

Think about who works in the store when the kids are in school.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I know several people who work as cashiers and other positions (full time) in the grocery stores (Kroger and HEB), they make at least 50% to 70% above minimum wage and have medical insurance. The teenagers make minimum wage and have no insurance. I feel that most stores operate the same way.

That's also the way it was when I worked during my high school years and when I entered the work force after high school.

 

[HendrixFan]

I know several people who work as cashiers and other positions (full time) in the grocery stores (Kroger and HEB), they make at least 50% to 70% above minimum wage and have medical insurance. The teenagers make minimum wage and have no insurance. I feel that most stores operate the same way.

That's also the way it was when I worked during my high school years and when I entered the work force after high school.

That is the case only due to years on the job and the raises that come with it. Full time status opens up benefits as well.

Many low income people who struggle to improve their wages have life events (pregnancies, jail, etc) that keep them from holding consistent jobs. Growing up, I knew quite a few low income kids who dropped out to work starting at 16 to help support the family. They would take a couple jobs at once, and oftentimes that would end up clashing and they would lose those jobs.