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The Police State comes to Arkansas

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techs said:
The Police State comes to Arkansas

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall.

Stovall added that he realized there was little difference between what he was proposing and martial law--and that he didn't much care.
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I am guessing true patriots will be out with their guns defending their freedom against this.

Or they will just sit at home thinking its a good thing.
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Good, keep voting Republican southerners.
 
bononos said:
Which part of govt? The number of SEC accountants or the military industrial complex.
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They both come hand and hand. You have to be naive to believe that a government which is allowed to grow beyond its means will not grow to crave control and power in every aspect of life both socially and economically.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
They both come hand and hand. You have to be naive to believe that a government which is allowed to grow beyond its means will not grow to crave control and power in every aspect of life both socially and economically.
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No they do not. As the recent meltdown showed, the regulatory part of the govt was systematically reduced to the point where they could not function effectively.
The shift towards privatisation to downsize govt is at odds with your assertion.
 
schneiderguy said:
You wanted bigger government. Here it is.
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DucatiMonster696 said:
They both come hand and hand. You have to be naive to believe that a government which is allowed to grow beyond its means will not grow to crave control and power in every aspect of life both socially and economically.
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I just love the usual right wing raving about big gubmint, particularly when we're talking about a small southern town of 24K people, overwhelmingly white, and obviously quite conservative.

It's not some hotbed of big gubmint libruhls, at all. What we're seeing is a manifestation of a well documented phenomenon, Right wing authoritarianism.

Here's Paragould-

http://www.city-data.com/city/Paragould-Arkansas.html
 
This is absurd and there is absolutely no justification for it. This is authoritarian garbage and there is no place for it in America.

Imagine going for a walk with your dog and like most people who go for walks, don't carry their ID with them. You get stopped by some asshole cop and asks to see your ID and you don't have it. Before you know it you are charged with a crime? This is so wrong it is laughable. No amount of 'security' or 'safety' is worth something like that and this is something we can all agree on.
 
Franz316 said:
This is absurd and there is absolutely no justification for it. This is authoritarian garbage and there is no place for it in America.

Imagine going for a walk with your dog and like most people who go for walks, don't carry their ID with them. You get stopped by some asshole cop and asks to see your ID and you don't have it. Before you know it you are charged with a crime? This is so wrong it is laughable. No amount of 'security' or 'safety' is worth something like that and this is something we can all agree on.
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They aren't saying everyone has to have ID. Simply that they must ID themselveswhen requested (name, DOB etc...).

It's still garbage mind you.
 
The racial makeup of the city was 97.87% White, 0.04% Black or African American, 0.42% Native American, 0.22% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.56% from other races, and 0.86% from two or more races. 1.33% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.


hehe. White people are crazy.
 
Jhhnn said:
I just love the usual right wing raving about big gubmint, particularly when we're talking about a small southern town of 24K people, overwhelmingly white, and obviously quite conservative.

It's not some hotbed of big gubmint libruhls, at all. What we're seeing is a manifestation of a well documented phenomenon, Right wing authoritarianism.

Here's Paragould-

http://www.city-data.com/city/Paragould-Arkansas.html
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Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, whether it comes from the right or the left.

The town being overwhelmingly white has nothing to do with this. Stop race baiting.
 
techs said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/the-police-state-comes-to_b_2321878.html
http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2012/12/15/top_story/doc50cbbb312e241511092932.txt

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."
Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."

Gaskill backed Stovall's proposed actions during Thursday's town hall.

"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it." . . .

"This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this," he said. "It allows us to do what we're fixing to do." . . .

"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area." . . .

"Anyone that's out walking, because of the crime and the fear factor, [could be stopped]," he said . . .

Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall.

Stovall added that he realized there was little difference between what he was proposing and martial law--and that he didn't much care.




I am guessing true patriots will be out with their guns defending their freedom against this.

Or they will just sit at home thinking its a good thing.
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Ihre papieren bitte.

True patriots would band together and refuse to ID themselves.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Yet they want no identification for voters . The Demwits don't know which way the wind is blowing and their standing in it . Its the demwits libbys that created the monster now deal with it . Everthing in this story is 100% anti american and 100% demwit nation .
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This comes from a county that was heavily for Romney. Your stupidity knows no bounds.
 
"What's the problem? There is nothing to worry if you've done nothing wrong" -> This kind of answer isn't hard to find in every other issue. In somewhat nuanced euphemism.

A lot of people here would change their position in a heartbeat if the same logic were to be applied to different time/place/manner/people.
 
bononos said:
No they do not. As the recent meltdown showed, the regulatory part of the govt was systematically reduced to the point where they could not function effectively.
The shift towards privatisation to downsize govt is at odds with your assertion.
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The housing market melt down was a bubble fueled by government. The regulations which were lifted were done so for very solid reasons however government still felt the need to prop up the losers and encourage negative behavior by proposing that everyone should own a home and then proceed to force banks to lend out to credit unworthy folks. If you believe that government regulation and control will keep you safe then you are a lemming and as long as someone has a D in front of their name you'll support whatever bullshit they are shoveling because it fits with your own bias.
 
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Your papers, comrade?

your_papers_please_krakow_1941.jpg
 
schneiderguy said:
Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, whether it comes from the right or the left.

The town being overwhelmingly white has nothing to do with this. Stop race baiting.
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Mew. RWA has a strong racist component which dovetails with lingering sentiment in the South. Read up-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

RWA personalities will easily substitute the authority of ideology, religion or tradition for the authority of govt, particularly when they perceive govt as having abandoned traditional values. Much of the anti-gubmint raving on the Right isn't about freedom, at all, but rather about submission to alternate authority.
 
A bit of an important part of the article that seems to have been omitted by the OP and the HuffPo article:

"Stovall told the group of almost 40 residents that beginning in 2013, the department would deploy a new street crimes unit to high crime areas on foot to take back the streets."

This all sounds really ominous when that bit of info isn't included. Otherwise it's pretty meh. The police have been using that tactic for decades in high crime areas.
 
Jhhnn said:
I just love the usual right wing raving about big gubmint, particularly when we're talking about a small southern town of 24K people, overwhelmingly white, and obviously quite conservative.

It's not some hotbed of big gubmint libruhls, at all. What we're seeing is a manifestation of a well documented phenomenon, Right wing authoritarianism.

Here's Paragould-

http://www.city-data.com/city/Paragould-Arkansas.html
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Condemn your own as vehemently? Na, never happen. It's shit that Paragould does this, and shit that Obama supports authoritarianism as well. Pigs all.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Condemn your own as vehemently? Na, never happen. It's shit that Paragould does this, and shit that Obama supports authoritarianism as well. Pigs all.
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Lashing out in denial, ehh?

Authoritarianism exists as a continuum, shades of grey. That's a difficult concept for black & white thinkers. If Obama is more authoritarian than I'd like, he's certainly less so than many of the heroes of Conservatives, or of the corporate authoritarian structures they often champion.

Obama supporters as Authoritarians? We're the hippy-dippy mamby-pamby Liberals, remember?

We'd support even less authoritarian figures, and often do when they present themselves. That can't be said of Conservatives.
 
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