The police are not required to protect you, or help you in any way

Specop 007

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This was based on a gun thread a while back when I said the police are NOT obligated to protect you in ANY way.
I finally got bored and dug around and found a few cases which do in fact prove this. The police are not required by law to proect and serve you, in fact their not required to do a damned thing to help you.

While the website is obviously somewhat pro gun, it should hopefully deomnstrate the importance of someone being responsible for themselves.

Not posting this to start a big flame war, just posting it as food for thought if you put your protection and well being in the hands of the police.

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One of the basic themes of gun control is that only the police and military should have handguns or any type of firearm. I cannot explain their rationale, other than to say that gun control proponents must believe that the police exist to protect the citizenry from victimization. But in light of court decisions we find such is not the case. You have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime. Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations!. To be fair to our men in blue, I think most officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that they are under no legal obligation to do so.

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Ruth Brunell called the police on 20 different occasions to plead for protection from her husband. He was arrested only one time. One evening Mr. Brunell telephoned his wife and told her he was coming over to kill her. When she called the police, they refused her request that they come to protect her. They told her to call back when he got there. Mr. Brunell stabbed his wife to death before she could call the police to tell them that he was there. The court held that the San Jose police were not liable for ignoring Mrs. Brunell's pleas for help. Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App. 3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975).
[Those of you in the Silicon Valley, please note what city this happened in!]

Consider the case of Linda Riss, in which a young woman telephoned the police and begged for help because her ex-boyfriend had repeatedly threatened "If I can't have you no one else will have you, and when I get through with you, no-one else will want you." The day after she had pleaded for police protection, the ex-boyfriend threw lye in her face, blinding her in one eye, severely damaging the other, and permanently scarring her features. "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand," wrote a dissenting opinion in her tort suit against the City, "is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus, by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of New York which now denies all responsibility to her." Riss v. New York, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. 1968). [Note: Linda Riss obeyed the law, yet the law prevented her from arming herself in self-defense.]

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: ``For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers.'' The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a ``fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.'' Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).

The seminal case establishing the general rule that police have no duty under federal law to protect citizens is DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (109 S.Ct. 998, 1989). Frequently these cases are based on an alleged ``special relationship'' between the injured party and the police. In DeShaney the injured party was a boy who was beaten and permanently injured by his father. He claimed a special relationship existed because local officials knew he was being abused, indeed they had ``specifically proclaimed by word and deed [their] intention to protect him against that danger,'' but failed to remove him from his father's custody. ("Domestic Violence -- When Do Police Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect?'' Special Agent Daniel L. Schofield, S.J.D., FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, January, 1991.)

The Court in DeShaney held that no duty arose because of a "special relationship,'' concluding that Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves. ``The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.'' (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 109 S.Ct. 998 (1989) at 1006.)

About a year later, the United States Court of Appeals interpreted DeShaney in the California case of Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department. (901 F.2d 696 9th Cir. 1990) Ms. Balistreri, beaten and harassed by her estranged husband, alleged a "special relationship'' existed between her and the Pacifica Police Department, to wit, they were duty-bound to protect her because there was a restraining order against her husband. The Court of Appeals, however, concluded that DeShaney limited the circumstances that would give rise to a "special relationship'' to instances of custody. Because no such custody existed in Balistreri, the Pacifica Police had no duty to protect her, so when they failed to do so and she was injured they were not liable.

A citizen injured because the police failed to protect her can only sue the State or local government in federal court if one of their officials violated a federal statutory or Constitutional right, and can only win such a suit if a "special relationship'' can be shown to have existed, which DeShaney and its progeny make it very difficult to do. Moreover, Zinermon v. Burch (110 S.Ct. 975, 984 1990) very likely precludes Section 1983 liability for police agencies in these types of cases if there is a potential remedy via a State tort action.

Many states, however, have specifically precluded such claims, barring lawsuits against State or local officials for failure to protect, by enacting statutes such as California's Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846 which state, in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals.''

In other words this means the only people the police are duty-bound to protect are criminals in custody, and other persons in custody for such things as mental disorders. YOU have no recourse if the police fail to respond or fail to protect you from injury!




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razor2025

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Wow.. makes me want to hurry up and get a gun-training and load up on guns and ammo. That kind of ruling is complete opposite of what the police is there for..

Then again, I can think of why they might want to have that kind of ruling. If there's a crazy lady that called your local PD everyday and asked for assistance, wouldn't that tie up the resources if the police were bound to go over to her place and show up?
 

aplefka

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Didn't read it, saving my space next to Anubis to watch this one unfold later.

Lawn chair + cooler + grill = :D
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: MaverickBP
well im pretty much in a sh!tty mood now THANKS

Knowledge is power. Now that you know the police can legally tell you piss off, you should know what you have to do.
 

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Lifer
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I find that hard to believe that's the true story.

In any event, all of those articles are quite old.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Tabb
I find that hard to believe that's the true story.

In any event, all of those articles are quite old.

Still think its false?

Besides, what does the date have to do with anything? The point has been made, the Courts uphold the idea the police dont have to protect and serve you.
 

torpid

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There is a difference between them being "legally obligated" to help you and it being part of their duties. If they were legally obligated to help everyone, it would open a can of worms because not all police forces are adequately staffed, and it would be impossible for officers to be 100% accurate in assessing who actually needed help.

These cases are extreme examples, but I imagine that there are lots of cases where people tried to sue the cities for inane things. Probably there should be laws which have concrete tests for when police officers were negligent as opposed to too busy or not liable.

The point being that just because they aren't legally obligated to help you, that doesn't mean you should go vigilante and take all matters into your own hands.
 

aplefka

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Originally posted by: torpid
The point being that just because they aren't legally obligated to help you, that doesn't mean you should go vigilante and take all matters into your own hands.

I don't know man. The few encounters I've had with the police haven't been good. The first time, I happened to be sleeping in the back of our house and I thought I heard just our dog rolling around or something, but then I realized someone was trying to get in through the window above me. I woke up my dad, called the authorities, and waited 3 hours for them to show up. We live really close to one substation and two stations.

Another time, we saw someone walk across our backyard and stop in the back of the house. The cops were a little quicker, but it still took them 45 minutes to show up.

Now if I had gone "vigilante" I wouldn't have tried to kill the person (we don't even own a gun) but I certainly would have injured them to the point where they couldn't do me any harm. The cops have a tough job and there just aren't enough of them. How am I to know that people trying to break into my house aren't armed or dangerous? I'd rather err on the side of safety than not.

I'm not saying that everytime something happens I'm gonna go out with a killer instinct and try to break someone's face, but you can bet that if the cops take more than 20 minutes and I think my family or animals are in danger, I'm sure as hell gonna go out there and do as much as I can to stop the prick til the cops can get here.
 

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Ruth Brunell called the police on 20 different occasions to plead for protection from her husband. He was arrested only one time. One evening Mr. Brunell telephoned his wife and told her he was coming over to kill her. When she called the police, they refused her request that they come to protect her. They told her to call back when he got there. Mr. Brunell stabbed his wife to death before she could call the police to tell them that he was there. The court held that the San Jose police were not liable for ignoring Mrs. Brunell's pleas for help.
You have to wonder whether a person who knew a killer was coming, and yet refused to leave the house, really deserves to live anyway.

This all sucks, but in most cases if you call 911 and say violence is occuring you know that the cops are coming.