I bet he could quit smoking given a five to ten year window, as recommended by the report.
Right wingnut "conservatives" do. We'll be dealing with the death toll, the debt and the general chaos they left us for decades due to their "leadership" into an illegal war of LIES in Iraq, murder, treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity and general incompetence.
They're excellent examples of what to avoid.
He lied? His not discussing it is for not being a bad role model for children, not that he's not truthful about it.
But you are a heck of a role model for lying.
Can't be truthful about anything - so, his promise to his daughters to get them a puppy, the puppy I see in the news stories is a media lie, because he lies about everything, you said.
You are troll status for such idiocy.
You're not allowed to smoke inside government facilities and buildings, and that includes all military housing/whatever. As for the percentage of people in the military that smoke, I'm not exactly sure... but a lot do. A whole lot.
Don't take them away, but fuck-damn, stop giving them out like candy. "Yeaaah, thanks soldiers, now have some cancer sticks on the house! GET HOOKED!"
Any of you right winged freedom nazis have any trouble with your employer telling you you can't smoke on the job?
StageLeft
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Agree, it's a good idea. I think soldiers go for it heavily and it's not really a pleasure but just something they start while stressed. Banning it would pay huge dividends to them later in life.
Oh, and it would also make them better soldiers because they'd be healthier and fitter.
Oh, and it would also make them better soldiers because they'd be healthier and fitter.
cubeless
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can a union bargain for the ability to smoke if an employer tries to deny it? or what else can an employer say you can't'do at work? what if they say no coffee? or no soda? water should be sufficient...
i know, you can go work somewhere else... but i'm just curious how far you will let evil employers go...
ebaycj
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Note that they aren't saying "you can't smoke", they are just saying "you can't smoke on base".
I know my employer has (and many others do as well) a policy disallowing smoking anywhere on the property. Smokers have to walk to the back of the parking lot, beyond the property line, to light up.
Why should the military be exempt from the anti-tobacco movement ?
Not to mention, I'd bet that a lot of soldiers start up smoking while deployed (to help deal with the stress). If smoking was not allowed, those folks wouldn't have started, due to the lack of cigarettes.
Siddhartha
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Isn't there a causal relationship between tobacco use and the onset of a number of kinds of cancer and cardio-vascular illnesses? No sane person joins the military to express their individuality. In the military, you are told when, where, how, and how long to do everything.
I am surprised that military personel are allowed to use tobacco products.
trenchfoot
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Well, I quit smoking over twenty years ago. Went from two packs a day to nada the moment I decided I didn't care to commit slo-mo suicide any more.
But when I was in the military, I recall having a smoke was a tiny moment of personal liberty and privacy. A sliver of time that was all mine and a time in which I was usually in a safe place, and conversely, not being able to smoke meant I was on the clock and hoping bad things weren't coming our way.
I can't imagine taking this one thing away from our troops who do smoke when at times it's the only luxury they could give themselves, especially when kicking back after times when the pucker meter's pegged out.
But when I was in the military, I recall having a smoke was a tiny moment of personal liberty and privacy. A sliver of time that was all mine and a time in which I was usually in a safe place, and conversely, not being able to smoke meant I was on the clock and hoping bad things weren't coming our way.
I can't imagine taking this one thing away from our troops who do smoke when at times it's the only luxury they could give themselves, especially when kicking back after times when the pucker meter's pegged out.
I disagree. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and credit they deserve for service doesn't come in that form. Should they get one free rape upon return, too?
Note for the analogy challenged, I'm not equating smoking to rape, I'm pointing out a flaw in the Leary logic described.
We need people to think hard that serving is right, and that they're not just getting used.
There goes Buttmadtom again, with his obsessive fixation on Gay guys and anal sex. I don't think even gays think as much about gay sex as you.
First off, Marines and soldiers are different. I wish the media would understand this.
Yes it has, you wear a LOT more weight. I stepped on a scale with full PPE on, and I was 315lbs. Im 195lbs normally. Flak jackets are crazy heavy, with everything that they want you to carry now.
As much as I hate breathing smoking, and dodging spit on the deck, they should leave it alone. Although, not for the reasons they stated. It is very funny to see smokers ration them out per day based on how long you're going to be in the field. And what they go for if you run out, supply and demand. $5 per cig at least.
I didnt smoke, and neither did a lot of our guys, we coped just fine.
You can get gum, at least our doc got some of our guys some. Anyone who wanted it.
Yes it has, you wear a LOT more weight. I stepped on a scale with full PPE on, and I was 315lbs. Im 195lbs normally. Flak jackets are crazy heavy, with everything that they want you to carry now.
As much as I hate breathing smoking, and dodging spit on the deck, they should leave it alone. Although, not for the reasons they stated. It is very funny to see smokers ration them out per day based on how long you're going to be in the field. And what they go for if you run out, supply and demand. $5 per cig at least.
I didnt smoke, and neither did a lot of our guys, we coped just fine.
You can get gum, at least our doc got some of our guys some. Anyone who wanted it.
A few grenades into your position because the enemy can smell your buddies cigarettes might change your thinking.
Not to mention that they really glow on thermals/nvgs...
The military is not like the rest of the country, they already have many more restrictions on their behavior.
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