The P5 where is it and what you want on it

[Soccerman06]

Ok people i donno if this has been talked about before or not but what do yall want on it and what is going to be on it in reality (Yonah and multi-cores dont count).

I pesonally am hoping for an on-die memory controller, better (and less) mobo, better SLI, fully unlockable for OCing, much, much less heat dissapation.

I would like to see on the mobo an easy adaption for water cooling and possibly a PPU.

 

[NokiaDude]

Okay. Now can you say that in normal English please?

 

[Merovingian]

People from the midwest know about linux and how to build computers?

 

[Soccerman06]

This is not about my grammer!!! hell I'm going to college to be an electrical engineer, i dont bother with grammer, all my classes are computer science, physics, and calc

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
This is not about my grammer!!! hell I'm going to college to be an electrical engineer, i dont bother with grammer, all my classes are computer science, physics, and calc

doesnt matter how smart you are,when you cant spell it makes you look not so smart.

 

[Trippytiger]

This is not about my grammer!!! hell I'm going to college to be an electrical engineer, i dont bother with grammer, all my classes are computer science, physics, and calc

You know, just because you plan on being an engineer doesn't change the fact that you most likely will have to employ some form of written communication. Coherent and easily understandable writing is probably going to be a real asset in the types of careers you will be looking at, but you won't have it.

Good grammar is your friend.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
This is not about my grammer!!! hell I'm going to college to be an electrical engineer, i dont bother with grammer, all my classes are computer science, physics, and calc

i'm glad you're so considerate for the people who actually have to read your garble. Just bcause you're doing engineering doesn't mean you can get away with being unable to communicate.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
This is not about my grammer!!! hell I'm going to college to be an electrical engineer, i dont bother with grammer, all my classes are computer science, physics, and calc

doesnt matter how smart you are,when you cant spell it makes you look not so smart.

This is so true. I could be a genius. But if I'm communicating with written words, I'd still look like an idiot if I couldn't spell.

This situation is similar to the spoken word. If I had a speech impairment, people who do not know me, unfortunately will still judge me by that.

So my question is this: Do you have an impairment? Or are you just too lazy to spell correctly?

 

[Jeff7181]

I want a large with extra cheese... pepperoni... onions... bacon... black olives... and green pepper.

 

[Lithan]

Hmmm... Shorter pipes than dothan, dual core with 4MB cache each, 3ghz+, improved SSE and multimedia instructions, Onboard memory controller that can run DDR2 1200 3-2-2 1t with 4x 1024 Dual (or quad) channel, Unlocked multi's, <30watt power consumption, heatspreader, <$200 price on low-clocked models.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Leper Messiah]

a 16 core athlon FX, running at 15Ghz, and a terabyte of RAM running at 1000Mhz, 4 ATi/Nvdia X7800GTXPEs to drive my monitors, a petabyte of flash HDD space...

oh wait we're talking about reality aren't we?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Ok people i donno if this has been talked about before or not but what do yall want on it and what is going to be on it in reality (Yonah and multi-cores dont count).

I pesonally am hoping for an on-die memory controller, better (and less) mobo, better SLI, fully unlockable for OCing, much, much less heat dissapation.

I would like to see on the mobo an easy adaption for water cooling and possibly a PPU.

Umm, most of those things you listed have nothing to do with the cpu.

Anyhow, how is Yonah not the new P5? It's two generations beyond the P3, sounds good enough for me.

According to the roadmaps, it looks like for the next severals years Intel will be playing catch up with AMD in the performance sector, always a few months behind. The changing point will quite possibly be the K10(since the K9 is quad core K8 with some refinements), if the K10 sucks then Intel has a chance to overtake AMD again, or if whatever Intel's next design is turns out to be really awesome.

 

[Soccerman06]

Well first off, you guys are getting off the point.

From what I've read, Yonah is a dual-core P-M, but I could be getting my info confused.

Anyways, I know those things I listed are mainly the mobo job but those things usually dont come along until a new cpu is out.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Hmmm... Shorter pipes than dothan, dual core with 4MB cache each, 3ghz+, improved SSE and multimedia instructions, Onboard memory controller that can run DDR2 1200 3-2-2 1t with 4x 1024 Dual (or quad) channel, Unlocked multi's, <30watt power consumption, heatspreader, <$200 price on low-clocked models.

Did I miss anything?

It also cooks you scrambled eggs in the morning, is guaranteed never to dull and offers lifetime roadside assistance.

 

[imported_g33k]

Jeez, quit giving the guy a hard time on the grammar. I could read it just fine. All he said was "yall" and "donno".

 

[Mogadon]

Originally posted by: Trippytiger

This is not about my grammer!!! hell I'm going to college to be an electrical engineer, i dont bother with grammer, all my classes are computer science, physics, and calc

You know, just because you plan on being an engineer doesn't change the fact that you most likely will have to employ some form of written communication. Coherent and easily understandable writing is probably going to be a real asset in the types of careers you will be looking at, but you won't have it.

Good grammar is your friend.

You hit the nail on the head. You may be studying electrical engineering but if you are going to excel in the field then you need be able to communicate in simple, understandable terms with people who do not know what the hell a CPU, capacitor, resistor, etc .. is. You can do this by having a good understanding of the language you and they use. If you do not have this ability you will probably find yourself working under someone who does.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Ok people i donno if this has been talked about before or not but what do yall want on it and what is going to be on it in reality (Yonah and multi-cores dont count).

I pesonally am hoping for an on-die memory controller, better (and less) mobo, better SLI, fully unlockable for OCing, much, much less heat dissapation.

I would like to see on the mobo an easy adaption for water cooling and possibly a PPU.

You are asking for a miracle chip. It isn't going to happen.

1. Memory controller is possible
2. I have no idea what a better and less motherboard is.
3. SLI has nothing to do with CPU's
4. Fully unlockable isn't going to happen. Pentiums have been locked for a long time. Remember intel even tried to limit OCing to IIRC 15%
5. Less heat dissipation. It isn't as easy as snapping your fingers. You have to do with power leakage. Intel would have to drop GREATLY shorten the instruction pipeline, along with other refinements. In which case Yonah, and the P-M are what you are looking for.

The other 2 things you ask for, intel doesn't have direct control over them. A PPU hasn't even been released or tested yet. So you can count that out for a while. As for water cooling, i wouldn't count on it. By using anything but the stock cooler and T.I.M you void your warranty. Intel, nor AMD, is going to endorse this. Setting up a waterblock isn't that hard as it is already though. As long as there are mounting holes you are fine.

Finally, Prescott and what not is "suppopsed" to be considered P5. Notice they dropped the ending, and it is now simply Pentium-D.

-Kevin

Edit: AFAIK, even though you are majoring in one thing you are still required to pass all your other core classes.

 

[clarkey01]

There's no pentium 5, pentium D yes, I wonder what name Yonah will come out under>?

"X2 killer"

 

[BitByBit]

The successor to the Pentium 4 looks likely to arrive in the form of Conroe some time in 2006, possibly 2007, according to various news articles I've read.
It's possible that Intel will end the convention of naming its core generations in the form 'Pentium N' (where N is the generation number) and simply use suffixes to differentiate desktop and mobile versions.
Don't forget that Intel decided on the name 'Pentium' way, way back to signify their fifth generation core. Using that logic, the P6 (Pentium Pro, II, III) should have been named the 'Hexium', and Netburst 'Heptium'. Just a thought

Anyway, it looks like Conroe will be an impressive core. I've heard rumours of it being a 4-issue (the Athlon is 3-issue) design, with some sort of improved version of Hyperthreading. If that's true, then even a single-core Conroe could probably match the multi-threaded performance of the current Pentium 'D'.
There has also been mention of Intel's CSI, or Common System Interface, which will incorporate the memory controller, but it looks as if this will be introduced on the server platform before the desktop.
Conroe will of course, face the K10, or atleast K9, the latter being originally set for release some time this year.
While I don't doubt the days of AMD trailing Intel in performance are long gone, I think we will see Intel closing the gap in the near future, although I can foresee AMD holding on to its Price/Performance lead.

 

[Bona Fide]

All I would like is for Intel to take a few pages out of AMD's book and start producing more efficient processors. This means having an on-die memory controller, reducing heat output [even at the expense of clock speed], and starting to care about the quality of the product they put out. That's what's been giving AMD the edge for the past few years.

 

[Elcs]

I was reading the whole thread and I agree in some points.

Firstly, I couldnt be certain what he was talking about but it sounded CPU/Platform-like which seems to be what most people have decided it was.

Secondly, grammar would have been considered bad but understandable if the question was conveyed better.

Gamingphreek has hit the nail on the head. The only real way to test "theoretical" wonder-cpu's is to make them. Considering how long and how much money it takes giants like AMD and Intel to do so, its obvious that once a core has been made, its going to be a long time until the company can introduce something much better.

Intel came out with Prescott. An early flop, some improvements have been made such as extra cache and fsb changes but its still not as competitive as hoped. Ive heard of improvements over heat issues but its still not going to live up to expectations.

I believe Intel just jury-rigged a dual core prescott because of how Prescott performed and is waiting for its next 'big step' to majorly improve things.

In short, a whole new core design or shrinkage seems to take a long time to design. Revisions seem to be quick in coming out but usually offer minimal improvement over their predecssors.

A minor side-note. AMD has a rather decent performance advantage and has a memory controller. Where does AMD now look to increase performance via efficiency? Intel seems to have a couple of options to improve performance but AMD seem a little short.

Im not usually into this technical stuff hence my probable mis-use of technical terminology or lack of it, plus my lack of in-depth knowledge of rumours and news so apologies beforehand. This is what I see and feel from what I read on anandtech.

 

[Fox5]

AMD can improve the cache of their chips, it's much much slower than what Intel uses.
They can also further tweak the memory controller and branch predictor.

AMD may not have as much to add as Intel does, but they're also currently ahead of Intel, and are likely to stay a step or two ahead until at least 2008.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Hmmm... Shorter pipes than dothan, dual core with 4MB cache each, 3ghz+, improved SSE and multimedia instructions, Onboard memory controller that can run DDR2 1200 3-2-2 1t with 4x 1024 Dual (or quad) channel, Unlocked multi's, <30watt power consumption, heatspreader, <$200 price on low-clocked models.

Did I miss anything?

yes a free mobile fridge for the CPU

EDIT: make that a freezer

 

[Soccerman06]

From what I've seen with the Pentium brand and other major manufactures (IBM, AMD ect) is it takes anywhere from 3-7 years to make a new core from scratch. I also remember that my old P2 OCed almost 30% over it's stock speed (from 350mhz-450mhz). But that was when Pentium made too many of the P2 450mhz proc and downclocked some to 350mhz. I was one of the lucky ones who get a hand-me-down 450mhz.

You cant say that the PentiumM/Centrino is the next gen core because its a reworked P3. So in reality its a P3.5. I just had to say that since I know a lot of people who love the P-M and think its Pentiums next-gen CPU.

That all being said, Pentium is overdue for another core, its been awhile and it better live up to the expectations of everyone and deliver on lower heat generation, not necessarily a higher clock speed, but faster overall performance, and to be able to work in tandem with other cores (multi-core) just like the A64.

 

[phaxmohdem]

Originally posted by: BitByBit
The successor to the Pentium 4 looks likely to arrive in the form of Conroe some time in 2006, possibly 2007, according to various news articles I've read.
It's possible that Intel will end the convention of naming its core generations in the form 'Pentium N' (where N is the generation number) and simply use suffixes to differentiate desktop and mobile versions.
Don't forget that Intel decided on the name 'Pentium' way, way back to signify their fifth generation core. Using that logic, the P6 (Pentium Pro, II, III) should have been named the 'Hexium', and Netburst 'Heptium'. Just a thought

Anyway, it looks like Conroe will be an impressive core. I've heard rumours of it being a 4-issue (the Athlon is 3-issue) design, with some sort of improved version of Hyperthreading. If that's true, then even a single-core Conroe could probably match the multi-threaded performance of the current Pentium 'D'.
There has also been mention of Intel's CSI, or Common System Interface, which will incorporate the memory controller, but it looks as if this will be introduced on the server platform before the desktop.
Conroe will of course, face the K10, or atleast K9, the latter being originally set for release some time this year.
While I don't doubt the days of AMD trailing Intel in performance are long gone, I think we will see Intel closing the gap in the near future, although I can foresee AMD holding on to its Price/Performance lead.

Thank god for a person who knows what they're talking about. It is my opinion that Intel should drop the "pentium" monicre and find a new name. Granted Intel is a marketing company first and a Semiconductor company second, so that may not be a wise move right now. But pentium = old. Even The Athlon line is getting a little long in tht tooth (Granted it doesn't have a connotation relating to a specific generation number as "pent"ium does.)

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Anyways, for intel's next generation CPU I would like to see the following in it:

- Hyperthreading get the Axe, or find a way that it does not show up as two distinct CPU's in task manager. (I know this could be a problem as hyperthreaduing basically bypasses the windows scheduler this way but it is so freaking annoying (To me) for there to be two CPU usage graphs when I know my computer has one physical core. I feel cheated, and sorry for the idiots out there who think they have a super computer because of that)

- 2-4 cores @ 3.0gHz(ish)

- Netburst = 6 feet under, shortened pipeline to focus more in IPC rather than brute clock speed as AMD has proved is the better route in recent years.

- Revamped FSB design so that all the cores do not have to share the same limited bandwith. This has been a bottleneck for some of the higher end Xeon's who are fighting over the same bus. (I've read rumors of Intel creating their own "copy" of hypertransport .. so that is a little promising)

- Integrated Memory controller would be nice

- I would like the new CPU to be based on the upcoming 65nm process

- at least 1-2mb cache per core (Independent caches, not one community cache)

- (Not CPU Related) but I would like a motherboard that will be compatible with future upgrades, like Socket 939 for AMD. It would even be nice if they could make it pop into existing LGA775 boards (Though this would probably rule out the integrated mem controller)

- I want something new that we haven't even thought up yet. The new CPu needs something of a WOW factor to regain some respect in the enthusiast market. Intel has been basically playing copy cat when they realize that a particular technology AMD has could be beneficial and what customers want.

- Better SSE instruction set

- Reasonable price

//END Novel Chapter 1