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The outrageous slander against ACORN

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Gonad the Barbarian said:
I just love how none of the usual suspects are even acknowledging the content of the OP. I mean, it's like they aren't even trying, otherwise they would have dismissed the whole thing by now because it quotes Rachel Maddow.
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It's utterly predictable that conservatives would focus on me rather than the truth. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. If i were as egotistical as they say i am, i would welcome all this attention.

But my point is to rip open their eyelids and make them feel the pain of the truth, to tear the very fabric of their psychotic reality apart.

There is no santa claus, ronald reagan was the catalyst that destroyed our country, and fox news is not, in fact, fair and balanced.
 
How about a discussion on how the conservatives have co-opted Saul Alinsky and Michael Moore's revolutionary anti-government tactics?
 
Phokus said:
It's utterly predictable that conservatives would focus on me rather than the truth. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. If i were as egotistical as they say i am, i would welcome all this attention.

But my point is to rip open their eyelids and make them feel the pain of the truth, to tear the very fabric of their psychotic reality apart.

There is no santa claus, ronald reagan was the catalyst that destroyed our country, and fox news is not, in fact, fair and balanced.
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Yeah, it's all about you. Keep thinking that.
 
Atreus21 said:
Hey! I've stayed on topic!
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I give you some credit for not going directly ad-hominum.

I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but I'm not aware of him doing anything this insidious or cynical: Editing your tape to make it seem like a group is trafficking child prostitutes when the are actually trying to prevent it? That's about as ugly as it gets.
 
Still not one comment from the right about O'Keefe's phoney "sting operation" against ACORN? So far, we have some ad hominems, some jokes, some bantor, some diversions to different topics. Still waiting.

- wolf
 
Blackjack200 said:
I give you some credit for not going directly ad-hominum.

I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but I'm not aware of him doing anything this insidious or cynical: Editing your tape to make it seem like a group is trafficking child prostitutes when the are actually trying to prevent it? That's about as ugly as it gets.
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I make no excuses for O'Keefe.

But liberals have very little room to complain about individuals editing their accounts to fit an agenda. Michael Moore is the most obvious example.

Something else that comes to mind was the villification of Rush Limbaugh for saying "at least the streets were safe when slavery was around" or something like that. And yet when it came to light that the whole thing was an outright fabrication, there was no retraction from the left either.

This is all politics. If the situation were reversed, as it has been before, nothing would change but the date.
 
Atreus21 said:
I make no excuses for O'Keefe.

But liberals have very little room to complain about individuals editing their accounts to fit an agenda. Michael Moore is the most obvious example.

Something else that comes to mind was the villification of Rush Limbaugh for saying "at least the streets were safe when slavery was around" or something like that. And yet when it came to light that the whole thing was an outright fabrication, there was no retraction from the left either.

This is all politics. If the situation were reversed, as it has been before, nothing would change but the date.
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The equivalence here is disgusting. I don't use Moore as a springboard for debate as i consider him an entertainer and polemicist rather than a perfect seeker of the truth, but even Moore has never done anything so outrageous and egregious in his work.

As for the Rush Limbaugh thing, did the accusations get spread so far and the rot so deep that major so-called liberal mainstream media outlets were pushing the story as hard as Fox News? Did congress take action to hurt an organization so badly that they had to later disband over it? Did the liberal blogosphere push this story so hard that anyone with an internet connection who has vaguely heard of the story believe it to be true? Did Rush have to face a criminal investigation over this?

Also, the quote about Rush equivocating the NFL as being like the 'crips and bloods' turned out to be true, just as an FYI
 
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Atreus21 said:
I make no excuses for O'Keefe.

But liberals have very little room to complain about individuals editing their accounts to fit an agenda. Michael Moore is the most obvious example.

Something else that comes to mind was the villification of Rush Limbaugh for saying "at least the streets were safe when slavery was around" or something like that. And yet when it came to light that the whole thing was an outright fabrication, there was no retraction from the left either.

This is all politics. If the situation were reversed, as it has been before, nothing would change but the date.
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Accusing an organization of criminal activity, based on edited video, where exculpatory evidence is willfully withheld, is very different from the typical political spin jobbery where some radio pundit makes a statement that gets taken out of context or distorted in some way.

- wolf
 
What Phokus posted is hardly new news to anyone who has researched the issue.

But a few new tidbits to add.

1. A week or two ago Acorn finally and formally folder up shop and disbanded. Certainly the withdrawal of Federal funds caused by Okeefe distortion was the primary cause, but the Acorn officials also cited their own lax supervision. Now new groups will have to be funded to replace some of the needed services Acorn used to provide.

2. Recently Okeefe and some new group of nuts were arrested for trespassing in a congressional office, when they tried to gain entry posing as telephone workers. As far as I know Okeefe and his fellows may not receive serious jail time, but if they get busted again, they may not be so lucky.
 
I was wondering where the cup o rage group was today... I think I found them.

Also, it should be noted that just because something isn't "criminal" doesn't mean it isn't wrong, unethical, etc. ACORN is... uh I mean WAS a slimy org that had more wrong than just this one tape the OP is whining about going on.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
I was wondering where the cup o rage group was today... I think I found them.

Also, it should be noted that just because something isn't "criminal" doesn't mean it isn't wrong, unethical, etc. ACORN is... uh I mean WAS a slimy org that had more wrong than just this one tape the OP is whining about going on.
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yeah, the AG decided that ACORN calling the police to investigate possible child prostitution and human trafficking by the not-dressed-as-a-pimp O'Keefe was not illegal, but it sure was morally reprehensible (WHAT?)

Folks, this is the reality we have to deal with in this country. Fox News is the most powerful organization in this country.
 
"Look folks, just because Fox News and James O'Keefe reported the OPPOSITE of what Acorn actually did, doesn't mean they didn't do the morally wrong thing here" - Ever republican ever.
 
Lemon law said:
What Phokus posted is hardly new news to anyone who has researched the issue.

But a few new tidbits to add.
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Still old news and old spin. I think O'Keefe as a harbinger of revolutionary conservative agitprop would be a better and much more interesting spin.

Anyway, here is a story that brings something new to the table.

Guess who is coming to dinner?

Frances Fox Piven Joins Board of Project Vote – What Could Go Wrong?

by Kyle Olson

While ACORN has earned much of the scorn of the press and public in recent months, its voter registration arm, Project Vote, is actually the entity that has been conducting the questionable voter registration drives.

Project Vote has been accused of voter registrations fraud in more than a dozen states. Its parent group ACORN, along with a staff member, are scheduled to be tried for fraud in Nevada in a matter of days. Recently, ACORN was nailed under the RICO Act in Ohio and ordered to never come back to the state. More importantly, the settlement also said ACORN couldn’t simply morph into another organization and cause the same type of trouble in Ohio.

In short, Project Vote is at the root of ACORN’s voter registration fraud problems.

So as ACORN is transforming, Project Vote is transforming, too. According to a new article in The Nation, Frances Fox Piven of “Cloward-Piven Strategy” fame, recently joined the Project Vote board of directors.


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On their face, Piven’s views seem harmless – registering low-income people to vote is how it’s framed publicly.

But it was Piven’s strategy that served as the impetus for the creation of the National Welfare Rights Organization, led by the radical George Wiley. Wiley had a young protégé, named Wade Rathke, who was eventually dispatched to Arkansas to establish a beachhead in the South for the social justice movement. He founded, of course, ACORN.

The strategy put forward by Piven and Richard Cloward, to overwhelm the welfare system in the late 60s and early 70s, bankrupted New York City.

It was Piven who suggested that people losing their homes to foreclosure should simply refuse to leave. ACORN had been following this strategy to a T with its Home Defenders program.

And now Piven is going to have a direct influence over the policy and direction of Project Vote.

Perhaps Piven’s strategy of overwhelming the system will now be applied to registering people to vote. As we saw in Indiana, Florida, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio and many other states, Project Vote created chaos for elections workers to sift through. With Piven now guiding this ship, her success at overwhelming the welfare system will now be applied to voter registration.

What could possibly go wrong?
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So, while it might seem that ACORN has rotted away in the light of day, it really is more like a vampire that you fail to kill unless you strike at the heart and keep striking until it is REALLY good and dead.

Back to you! :awe:
 
Phokus said:
yeah, the AG decided that ACORN calling the police to investigate possible child prostitution and human trafficking by the not-dressed-as-a-pimp O'Keefe was not illegal, but it sure was morally reprehensible (WHAT?)

Folks, this is the reality we have to deal with in this country. Fox News is the most powerful organization in this country.
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Uh what? You are now just being a twit on purpose. Nowhere did anyone suggest them calling the cops was criminal.
I swear you leftists just can't accept the fact that your little fraud and slime group got exposed. It's really not worth it to try to rehab/excuse their image - they are done. 🙂
 
PJABBER said:
Still old news and old spin. I think O'Keefe as a harbinger of revolutionary conservative agitprop would be a better and much more interesting spin.

Anyway, here is a story that brings something new to the table.

Guess who is coming to dinner?

So, while it might seem that ACORN has rotted away in the light of day, it really is more like a vampire that you fail to kill unless you strike at the heart and keep striking until it is REALLY good and dead.

Back to you! :awe:
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To put this in context

Yes, lets post an article from Andrew Breibart's website, the same Andrew Breibart that mentored James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles on how to spin, err i mean present, the ACORN videos to the public

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/21/breitbart-the-politicized-art-behind-the-acorn-pla/

edit: BAHAHAHA, this idiot actually pays O'Keefe as well, holy shit, what a sucker:

O'Keefe attended UCLA Law School for one year before turning full-time to a career in investigative journalism.[29] O'Keefe currently works as a speaker and video producer. In addition, in a January 26, 2010 interview, Andrew Breitbart, editor of the Drudge Report and owner of Breitbart.com, BigGovernment.com, BigHollwood.com and BigJournalism.com, says he pays O'Keefe a salary for his "life rights".[33]
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CADsortaGUY said:
Uh what? You are now just being a twit on purpose. Nowhere did anyone suggest them calling the cops was criminal.
I swear you leftists just can't accept the fact that your little fraud and slime group got exposed. It's really not worth it to try to rehab/excuse their image - they are done. 🙂
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Exhibit B that conservatives are batshit fucking crazy: conservatives heavily edit a video to slander an ACORN, yet THEY are the fraudsters.

Christ, this is amazing.
 
Phokus said:
Exhibit B that conservatives are batshit fucking crazy: conservatives heavily edit a video to slander an ACORN, yet THEY are the fraudsters.

Christ, this is amazing.
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Pssttt... Acorn was being exposed as a fraud even without the videos. But don't let the facts get in the way of your outburst of rage. 🙂
 
CADsortaGUY said:
Pssttt... Acorn was being exposed as a fraud even without the videos. But don't let the facts get in the way of your outburst of rage. 🙂
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Has ACORN actually been convicted of anything? I remember the first story of 'voter fraud' where it was Actually ACORN who called in authorities about some volunteers who signed up cartoon characters as voters. The funny thing is, conservatives, not surprisngly, promoted it as ACORN officially doing the fraud and erroneously saying that people putting down fake names had the ability to vote when that wasn't true. Stop believing everything Fox News says.
 
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