the other side of the homosexual coin

[kkeennyy]

http://www.ssaml.com/

Our cultural milieu is filled with shrill polemics from all sides on the subject of homosexuality. On the one hand, there is still a great deal of hatred directed against those with same sex attraction as persons. On the other hand, the gay activists encourage an "in your face" confrontational attitude and promote what many view as sinful behavior as well as a victim mentality on the part of those with same sex attraction.

The long term trends in society would appear to be mixed. On the positive side, the visceral hatred of persons with same sex attraction may diminish over time as people understand better the deep seated nature this inclination can take. On the negative side, we appear to be witnessing the triumph of the gay activist ideology that any and all safe and consensual sexual activity is not only licit, but to be positively celebrated, and that any expression of traditional Christian moral values on sexuality must be anathematized.

Inducements to promiscuity abound in the present day, while the virtue of chastity is denigrated. Sexual gratification has become seen in many quarters as the highest good in life. Relationships of a sexual nature between those of the same sex are lauded as the equivalent of heterosexual marriage, despite their very different context, even while the value of chaste friendship seems debased. Is it any wonder that we seem to be witnessing a certain coarsening of daily life and the growing ubiquity of a cynical "what's in it for me" attitude?

Some of us with same sex attraction who take seriously the notion of a moral conscience as informed by the Christian revelation feel at sea and demoralized in the modern world. Clear and balanced statements that speak the truth in love from an authentic Christian perspective are rare. One feels compelled either to accept the ideology of "gay pride" and "coming out" and embrace without reservation the promiscuous "gay" lifestyle or else to live a life of self hatred and loneliness.

Neither of these unappealing alternatives is necessary to the believing Christian with same sex attraction. We CAN lead fulfilling lives with spiritual and emotional health by doing what God calls us to do -- live a life of holy chastity in conformity with his will and seek out true and chaste friendships with others. The truth about homosexuality is still as valid as it ever was - simply put, we must balance love for all persons with respect for the teachings of the Church on sexual morality. This truth is nothing of which to be ashamed.

It is imperative to keep in mind in this regard that truth and right are not always the same as what is most popular. Consider the issue of abortion: simply because support for abortion is widespread does not mean that it is morally justifiable to kill a human fetus. If a majority of people thought it appropriate to send Jews to concentration camps, that would not make such a policy right. And once we know the truth, we should be willing to grapple with, internalize and live it, with God's help. The propositions set forth below constitute a feeble attempt to start filling the gap in modern discourse by succinctly spelling out the truth in love as I apprehend it. It is my sincere prayer that these principles may act as a beacon for souls in this troubled world and a balm to reconcile and heal!

http://www.couragerc.org/

Persons with homosexual desires have always been with us; however, up to recent times, there has been little, if any, outreach from the Church in the way of support groups or information. Most were left to work out their path on their own. As a result, they found themselves listening to and accepting the secular society's perspective and opting to act on their same-sex desires.

What is chastity?

http://www.couragerc.org/chastity.html



There is no call for hating those with homosexual inclinations. As a loving nation we should call them into chaste lifestyles.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I am voting for Dick 'n Bush in 2004, but I agree wholehartedly with this article.

 

[nageov3t]

all safe and consensual sexual activity is not only licit, but to be positively celebrated

:thumbsup:

😛

not that I agree 100% with the "gay agenda," but the morality police really bother me.

 

[Moonbeam]

We CAN lead fulfilling lives with spiritual and emotional health by doing what God calls us to do

What sort of donkey would believe that God made homosexuals homosexual for any other reason than to have homosexual sex. The so called Christian revelation above is nothing more than ancient human bigotry. It is so sad that a teaching designed to save souls should wind up torturing them with self imposed celibacy. The article itself is full of false dichotomies and absurdly implied cause and effect relationships. The purpose of faith is not to live in Hell and smile about how content you are. This is nothing but an example of faith as self flagellation and exhibitionistic self martyrdom.

If you are going to surrender to the will of God you will have to surrender as what you are. A homosexual without self is going to be homosexual. Homosexuality is real and will out.

Human beings are screwed up sexually more than any other way. Why should the worthless have pleasure, or if they do allow others to. And everyone feels completely worthless.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We CAN lead fulfilling lives with spiritual and emotional health by doing what God calls us to do

What sort of donkey would believe that God made homosexuals homosexual for any other reason than to have homosexual sex. The so called Christian revelation above is nothing more than ancient human bigotry. It is so sad that a teaching designed to save souls should wind up torturing them with self imposed celibacy. The article itself is full of false dichotomies and absurdly implied cause and effect relationships. The purpose of faith is not to live in Hell and smile about how content you are. This is nothing but an example of faith as self flagellation and exhibitionistic self martyrdom.

If you are going to surrender to the will of God you will have to surrender as what you are. A homosexual without self is going to be homosexual. Homosexuality is real and will out.

Human beings are screwed up sexually more than any other way. Why should the worthless have pleasure, or if they do allow others to. And everyone feels completely worthless.

Your argument depends on one important question - did God make homosexuals that way, or is that simply their way of exercising their own free will?

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I am voting for Dick 'n Bush in 2004

HAHAHA - this is one of the coolest, best things ever said here on Anandtech!!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We CAN lead fulfilling lives with spiritual and emotional health by doing what God calls us to do

What sort of donkey would believe that God made homosexuals homosexual for any other reason than to have homosexual sex. The so called Christian revelation above is nothing more than ancient human bigotry. It is so sad that a teaching designed to save souls should wind up torturing them with self imposed celibacy. The article itself is full of false dichotomies and absurdly implied cause and effect relationships. The purpose of faith is not to live in Hell and smile about how content you are. This is nothing but an example of faith as self flagellation and exhibitionistic self martyrdom.

If you are going to surrender to the will of God you will have to surrender as what you are. A homosexual without self is going to be homosexual. Homosexuality is real and will out.

Human beings are screwed up sexually more than any other way. Why should the worthless have pleasure, or if they do allow others to. And everyone feels completely worthless.

Your argument depends on one important question - did God make homosexuals that way, or is that simply their way of exercising their own free will?

I am a simple man. If somebody makes the claim that God knows before I do what I am going to do, I say I don't have any free will. The die is cast and I'm just a puppet playing our my part totally mechanically. And no fancy argument that turns me into a pretzel is gonna tell me otherwise cause I ain't smart enough to grasp it. What I do know is that bigots need to think the other guy had a choice about his sexuality cause only a stupid bigot can blame somebody for something that ain't a personal choice. That doubtless puts you in the smarter bigot camp. I hope some day your heart gets as big as your brain. Then you will be free to think and feel and look at evidence objectively and ask yourself what fool would choose to be gay intentionally and why make such a choice so young they can't remember ever making it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We CAN lead fulfilling lives with spiritual and emotional health by doing what God calls us to do

What sort of donkey would believe that God made homosexuals homosexual for any other reason than to have homosexual sex. The so called Christian revelation above is nothing more than ancient human bigotry. It is so sad that a teaching designed to save souls should wind up torturing them with self imposed celibacy. The article itself is full of false dichotomies and absurdly implied cause and effect relationships. The purpose of faith is not to live in Hell and smile about how content you are. This is nothing but an example of faith as self flagellation and exhibitionistic self martyrdom.

If you are going to surrender to the will of God you will have to surrender as what you are. A homosexual without self is going to be homosexual. Homosexuality is real and will out.

Human beings are screwed up sexually more than any other way. Why should the worthless have pleasure, or if they do allow others to. And everyone feels completely worthless.

Your argument depends on one important question - did God make homosexuals that way, or is that simply their way of exercising their own free will?

I am a simple man. If somebody makes the claim that God knows before I do what I am going to do, I say I don't have any free will. The die is cast and I'm just a puppet playing our my part totally mechanically. And no fancy argument that turns me into a pretzel is gonna tell me otherwise cause I ain't smart enough to grasp it. What I do know is that bigots need to think the other guy had a choice about his sexuality cause only a stupid bigot can blame somebody for something that ain't a personal choice. That doubtless puts you in the smarter bigot camp. I hope some day your heart gets as big as your brain. Then you will be free to think and feel and look at evidence objectively and ask yourself what fool would choose to be gay intentionally and why make such a choice so young they can't remember ever making it.

Holy sh*t! I'm in utter and complete agreement with Moonbeam on this one!

Wow... Never thought I'd see that happen.

:thumbsup:😀

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Your argument depends on one important question - did God make homosexuals that way, or is that simply their way of exercising their own free will?

Is this really an issue anymore?

I remember kids who acted gay when they were young enough not to even understand what gay was. Whether its nature or nurture I don't think people choose to be gay.

 

[judasmachine]

And we care what ppl do behind closed doors why? Or are we offended by their feministic behavoir? I thought only thought police cared what ppl do in their own beds...

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We CAN lead fulfilling lives with spiritual and emotional health by doing what God calls us to do

What sort of donkey would believe that God made homosexuals homosexual for any other reason than to have homosexual sex. The so called Christian revelation above is nothing more than ancient human bigotry. It is so sad that a teaching designed to save souls should wind up torturing them with self imposed celibacy. The article itself is full of false dichotomies and absurdly implied cause and effect relationships. The purpose of faith is not to live in Hell and smile about how content you are. This is nothing but an example of faith as self flagellation and exhibitionistic self martyrdom.

If you are going to surrender to the will of God you will have to surrender as what you are. A homosexual without self is going to be homosexual. Homosexuality is real and will out.

Human beings are screwed up sexually more than any other way. Why should the worthless have pleasure, or if they do allow others to. And everyone feels completely worthless.

Your argument depends on one important question - did God make homosexuals that way, or is that simply their way of exercising their own free will?

I am a simple man. If somebody makes the claim that God knows before I do what I am going to do, I say I don't have any free will. The die is cast and I'm just a puppet playing our my part totally mechanically. And no fancy argument that turns me into a pretzel is gonna tell me otherwise cause I ain't smart enough to grasp it. What I do know is that bigots need to think the other guy had a choice about his sexuality cause only a stupid bigot can blame somebody for something that ain't a personal choice. That doubtless puts you in the smarter bigot camp. I hope some day your heart gets as big as your brain. Then you will be free to think and feel and look at evidence objectively and ask yourself what fool would choose to be gay intentionally and why make such a choice so young they can't remember ever making it.

So now I'm a bigot? In what way did anything I say impugn homosexuals, Moonie? I don't have problem one with gay people, and I didn't mean to say (admittedly it did look as though I was saying this) that people choose to be gay. I firmly believe, however, that the actions that we all take, in our free will, not only effect ourselves, but others. Intellectually I lean more toward nurture being a reason for people choosing to be homosexual simply because all of the medical studies I've heard about have found no physiological differences between gay and straight people. I could care less if a person is gay, black, blue, green, from Mars, from Venus, whatever. Just live your own life to the best of your ability and don't impugn the ability of others to live their lives.

I've never made any personal attacks towards you, and I'm deeply hurt that you would make them against me.

 

[Gravity]

If you haven't been here then you haven't even addressed the possibility of homosexuals getting help to leave that lifestyle.

Check it.

 

[Moonbeam]

So now I'm a bigot? In what way did anything I say impugn homosexuals, Moonie? I don't have problem one with gay people, and I didn't mean to say (admittedly it did look as though I was saying this) that people choose to be gay. I firmly believe, however, that the actions that we all take, in our free will, not only effect ourselves, but others. Intellectually I lean more toward nurture being a reason for people choosing to be homosexual simply because all of the medical studies I've heard about have found no physiological differences between gay and straight people. I could care less if a person is gay, black, blue, green, from Mars, from Venus, whatever. Just live your own life to the best of your ability and don't impugn the ability of others to live their lives.

I've never made any personal attacks towards you, and I'm deeply hurt that you would make them against me.

Now wait just a damn minute here. What did you want to go and get hurt for. If as you say it looked like you were arguing that Gays chose to be gay you might understand why I took it that way. The argument runs like this. Gays chose to be gay. Homosexuality is evil, so choosing to be evil is evil. Therefore I'm justified in condemning them. That is bigotry based on the irrational assumption that first gays chose and secondly that they are evil. Forgive me if you made yourself look like one of those and I fell into that assumption. 😀

And while we don't know for sure what makes people gay, we do know there are some differences in the structure of the brain and we can conjecture, I think with high probability, that it is not a conscious choice or it's at least a choice that's the natural one to make. And if nurture is responsible then it's still not a choice. It's all the fault of nurture. 😀 So if you have no unconscious and irrational feeling that being gay is evil then you shouldn't mind if gays get married and you aren't a bigot so please don't be hurt if that's so.

Rereading your post there wasn't any reason expressed that would indicate you supported the belief behind your question and I was wrong to assume there was. It is easy to fall into the assumption that people are arguing what they actually believe, but I don't always do that if I have a reason, so I shouldn't be too quick on the draw, I guess. The bigots are in such massive supply you get punch drunk after a while.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Gravity
If you haven't been here then you haven't even addressed the possibility of homosexuals getting help to leave that lifestyle.

Check it.

I love that site, i get more laugs out of that than most other comedy sites.

Eh, you do get that it is there for amusement, right?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
So now I'm a bigot? In what way did anything I say impugn homosexuals, Moonie? I don't have problem one with gay people, and I didn't mean to say (admittedly it did look as though I was saying this) that people choose to be gay. I firmly believe, however, that the actions that we all take, in our free will, not only effect ourselves, but others. Intellectually I lean more toward nurture being a reason for people choosing to be homosexual simply because all of the medical studies I've heard about have found no physiological differences between gay and straight people. I could care less if a person is gay, black, blue, green, from Mars, from Venus, whatever. Just live your own life to the best of your ability and don't impugn the ability of others to live their lives.

I've never made any personal attacks towards you, and I'm deeply hurt that you would make them against me.

Now wait just a damn minute here. What did you want to go and get hurt for. If as you say it looked like you were arguing that Gays chose to be gay you might understand why I took it that way. The argument runs like this. Gays chose to be gay. Homosexuality is evil, so choosing to be evil is evil. Therefore I'm justified in condemning them. That is bigotry based on the irrational assumption that first gays chose and secondly that they are evil. Forgive me if you made yourself look like one of those and I fell into that assumption. 😀

And while we don't know for sure what makes people gay, we do know there are some differences in the structure of the brain and we can conjecture, I think with high probability, that it is not a conscious choice or it's at least a choice that's the natural one to make. And if nurture is responsible then it's still not a choice. It's all the fault of nurture. 😀 So if you have no unconscious and irrational feeling that being gay is evil then you shouldn't mind if gays get married and you aren't a bigot so please don't be hurt if that's so.

Rereading your post there wasn't any reason expressed that would indicate you supported the belief behind your question and I was wrong to assume there was. It is easy to fall into the assumption that people are arguing what they actually believe, but I don't always do that if I have a reason, so I shouldn't be too quick on the draw, I guess. The bigots are in such massive supply you get punch drunk after a while.

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