The other Bush has no clue also

[Wolfdog]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/21/coma.woman/index.html

So the new plan is to keep the woman alive indefinitely? How much will the health care system extort out of the health plan, and her husband before she is finally let go of? It seems that the court has spoken, and Jeb and his good ol boys can't take no for an answer. If there is no hope for recovery then why keep someone alive, to live off a tube for the rest of thier lives? It doesn't make sense to me. The only ones who gain from this is the hospital she is staying at. Then who has to fit the bill? Full hospital care isn't cheap, and the cost is ringing up every day. I just hope that his medical plan is covering everything. If he is telling the truth and she doesn't wanted to be resusitated, then everyone surviving her should take heed to her wishes. The government has no right to intervene in this case, the court has spoken. The husband should walk right up to Jeb and give him a swift kick in the jimmy, right along with all those who voted to give him the power.

 

[Czar]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/21/coma.woman/index.html

 

[roboninja]

Un-frickin-beleiveable. The Republicans stay out of people's lives, and are for "small goverment"?? Give me one good example of that from the past 20 years. The more they control, the more they can decide what the public perception is. The current US King has the most misleading and shadowy governent in recent history, IMO. Of ocurse it is just a coincidence that Cheney's old company, Haliburton, is making billions off of the "clean-up" in Iraq. How stupid do they think the American public is? Wait, there hasn;t been a huge outcry against things like this, so maybe they are right??

Sorry, got a little OT there. I get heated when I realise that the current Bush regime may have killed true American democracy for good. Sure, it was wounded (and possibly dying) before, but now it may be too late to save it.

 

[DealMonkey]

His name is "Jeb," what do you expect exactly?

"We need to save the coma lady! And we need to save the unborn children. Sob! Think of the children! But the Cubans? F the Cubans! They can go to hell and die for all I care."

It must be a schitzophrenic experience to be a compassionate conservative.

 

[charrison]

Lots of issues here.

While it does appear she is not in a coma, it does appear to be a vegitative state. The right to pull the plug should exist. Living in a bed for 13 years is not much quality of life.

However, starving someone to death does not seem very human either....

 

[Mill]

Her "husband" just wants the trust money she has.

 

[DealMonkey]

Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: roboninja

Sorry, got a little OT there. I get heated when I realise that the current Bush regime may have killed true American democracy for good. Sure, it was wounded (and possibly dying) before, but now it may be too late to save it.

the US has never been a democracy, and i hope it never degrades to that level of mob rule.


as for the post, the parents want to keep her alive. i don't know who is paying for it. if it is the gov't and she shows no brain activity then she needs to be unplugged and euthanized. the parents' contention is that she could improve with care, well, it's been 13 years, where is the improvement?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: roboninja

Sorry, got a little OT there. I get heated when I realise that the current Bush regime may have killed true American democracy for good. Sure, it was wounded (and possibly dying) before, but now it may be too late to save it.

the US has never been a democracy, and i hope it never degrades to that level of mob rule.


as for the post, the parents want to keep her alive. i don't know who is paying for it. if it is the gov't and she shows no brain activity then she needs to be unplugged and euthanized. the parents' contention is that she could improve with care, well, it's been 13 years, where is the improvement?

The court ordered the threapy stopped. They supposedly were doing some "covert" therapy over the phone with a therapist but i'm not sure what exactly that was for.

CkG

 

[no0b]

Originally posted by: charrison
Lots of issues here.

While it does appear she is not in a coma, it does appear to be a vegitative state. The right to pull the plug should exist. Living in a bed for 13 years is not much quality of life.

However, starving someone to death does not seem very human either....

agree 100% maybe if there is a more humane way. But I'm sure there isn't.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

The court ordered the threapy stopped. They supposedly were doing some "covert" therapy over the phone with a therapist but i'm not sure what exactly that was for.

CkG

that is interesting. i wonder who was paying for that? my guess is the parents were and dude had it stopped.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

Is that why they offered to pay the husband $500,000 not to kill their daughter? Yep... they sound pretty greedy to me...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

Her "parents" are already quite wealthy I believe.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: no0b

Originally posted by: charrison
Lots of issues here.

While it does appear she is not in a coma, it does appear to be a vegitative state. The right to pull the plug should exist. Living in a bed for 13 years is not much quality of life.

However, starving someone to death does not seem very human either....

agree 100% maybe if there is a more humane way. But I'm sure there isn't.

Why not give her a lethal injection? Certainly better than starvation. Oh wait... we can't euthanize we can only let them starve to death. BS!

 

[no0b]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: no0b

Originally posted by: charrison
Lots of issues here.

While it does appear she is not in a coma, it does appear to be a vegitative state. The right to pull the plug should exist. Living in a bed for 13 years is not much quality of life.

However, starving someone to death does not seem very human either....

agree 100% maybe if there is a more humane way. But I'm sure there isn't.

Why not give her a lethal injection? Certainly better than starvation. Oh wait... we can't euthanize we can only let them starve to death. BS!

I believe the only way to euthanize someone is if they are dependant on something/somebody to keep them alive.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

Is that why they offered to pay the husband $500,000 not to kill their daughter? Yep... they sound pretty greedy to me...

That means both of them are not after money...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: no0b

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: no0b

Originally posted by: charrison
Lots of issues here.

While it does appear she is not in a coma, it does appear to be a vegitative state. The right to pull the plug should exist. Living in a bed for 13 years is not much quality of life.

However, starving someone to death does not seem very human either....

agree 100% maybe if there is a more humane way. But I'm sure there isn't.

Why not give her a lethal injection? Certainly better than starvation. Oh wait... we can't euthanize we can only let them starve to death. BS!

I believe the only way to euthanize someone is if they are dependant on something/somebody to keep them alive.

Funny how we can euthanize our pets, but we prefer to keep our relatives alive at any expense, no matter what their condition is...

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: no0b

Originally posted by: charrison
Lots of issues here.

While it does appear she is not in a coma, it does appear to be a vegitative state. The right to pull the plug should exist. Living in a bed for 13 years is not much quality of life.

However, starving someone to death does not seem very human either....

agree 100% maybe if there is a more humane way. But I'm sure there isn't.

There are ways to eliminate the inhumane aspects of 'pulling the tube' but, on this issue I'm in two minds. She's not in a coma, but, her quality of life is zilch but.... does she know this. Do we know if she does or does not - apart from the expert testimony - do they know? I think not being in a coma brings in the informed consent issue. My first impression is to let her live via the 'tube' or let her die via a quick and painless means.. but on that I have ill feelings.. (if it were me). I think she has the right to live or die according to her desire.

 

[Sternfan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

She has parents that love her and from what I have seen she is not in a coma like the media keeps stating. Oh and in case you don't know it deal you are a prick to even say this.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Sternfan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

She has parents that love her and from what I have seen she is not in a coma like the media keeps stating. Oh and in case you don't know it deal you are a prick to even say this.

No, he wasn't a prick because he said it. Maybe a bit blunt though, but he was a prick long before he posted that

J/K DM
******************

Opinions on this subject are somewhat valid on both sides of this to me. She has the right to die(IMO) yet IF it is possible she isn't all gone upstairs then who really gets to decide? Sure she can't communicate in a traditional sense but is there proof that she did tell her husband that she didn't want to live like this if something like this happened?

Err on the side of caution? I dunno - it'd be a tough call. I know I'd want to have the right to die and I've stated my intentions to multiple family members. But...

dasm this issue sucks.

CkG

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sternfan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

She has parents that love her and from what I have seen she is not in a coma like the media keeps stating. Oh and in case you don't know it deal you are a prick to even say this.

No, he wasn't a prick because he said it. Maybe a bit blunt though, but he was a prick long before he posted that

J/K DM
******************

Opinions on this subject are somewhat valid on both sides of this to me. She has the right to die(IMO) yet IF it is possible she isn't all gone upstairs then who really gets to decide? Sure she can't communicate in a traditional sense but is there proof that she did tell her husband that she didn't want to live like this if something like this happened?

Err on the side of caution? I dunno - it'd be a tough call. I know I'd want to have the right to die and I've stated my intentions to multiple family members. But...

dasm this issue sucks.

CkG

Yes, you've stated your intentions to family members. But, Heaven forbid, if something should happen to you, and your parents or whatever fight to keep you alive, would anyone be able to prove that you stated this? Same thing with this lady. You may want to take a couple of minutes and just write something out and have your wife sign it before you file it away. If this lady had done this, assuming (there's that word again dammit!) that her husband is right, there would be no debate.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: roboninja

Sorry, got a little OT there. I get heated when I realise that the current Bush regime may have killed true American democracy for good. Sure, it was wounded (and possibly dying) before, but now it may be too late to save it.

the US has never been a democracy, and i hope it never degrades to that level of mob rule.


as for the post, the parents want to keep her alive. i don't know who is paying for it. if it is the gov't and she shows no brain activity then she needs to be unplugged and euthanized. the parents' contention is that she could improve with care, well, it's been 13 years, where is the improvement?

try living in tampa bay. just driving on the roads, it's total lawlessness. people are assholes, the sheriff only come to a car accident IF someone dies. At 11pm down at the Pinellas Park Walmart they got 15-20 cash registers open and 3 people in every line. It won't be long til the good ol USA is complete anarchy.

then in the winter time we have to deal with them fvcking canadian tourists. here's a tip , DON'T STOP FOR THE SQUIRRELS!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sternfan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

She has parents that love her and from what I have seen she is not in a coma like the media keeps stating. Oh and in case you don't know it deal you are a prick to even say this.

No, he wasn't a prick because he said it. Maybe a bit blunt though, but he was a prick long before he posted that

J/K DM
******************

Opinions on this subject are somewhat valid on both sides of this to me. She has the right to die(IMO) yet IF it is possible she isn't all gone upstairs then who really gets to decide? Sure she can't communicate in a traditional sense but is there proof that she did tell her husband that she didn't want to live like this if something like this happened?

Err on the side of caution? I dunno - it'd be a tough call. I know I'd want to have the right to die and I've stated my intentions to multiple family members. But...

dasm this issue sucks.

CkG

Yes, you've stated your intentions to family members. But, Heaven forbid, if something should happen to you, and your parents or whatever fight to keep you alive, would anyone be able to prove that you stated this? Same thing with this lady. You may want to take a couple of minutes and just write something out and have your wife sign it before you file it away. If this lady had done this, assuming (there's that word again dammit!) that her husband is right, there would be no debate.

It's being mulled over as we speak. Ever since this issue broke back into the news, my wife and I started talking about it again. We did a couple years back after our first was born - but didn't include it in any of the legal papers like a will or anything. I'm sure we'll have something drafted up shortly but the positioning of it will get tricky. I don't want a "non- resuscitate" stamp on me, but I don't want to be a vegetable either. I want to have my intentions clearly spelled out before we see a lawyer about it(gonna get our wills redone soon too).

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Sternfan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Her "parents" are just pissed they didn't get any money.

She has parents that love her and from what I have seen she is not in a coma like the media keeps stating. Oh and in case you don't know it deal you are a prick to even say this.

No, he wasn't a prick because he said it. Maybe a bit blunt though, but he was a prick long before he posted that

J/K DM
******************

CkG

You BASTARDS! :| I'm SO offended. Puh-lease Sternfan and RoboCad, please oh please stop raking me over the coals. I can't take it! Aaaaaahhh.

Well, at least I didn't say to pull the plug on her. I was going to say that, but I didn't. Oh hell: PULL THE PLUG!!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I don't want a "non- resuscitate" stamp on me, but I don't want to be a vegetable either. I want to have my intentions clearly spelled out before we see a lawyer about it(gonna get our wills redone soon too).

CkG

It's too late Cad, you're already a vegetable. A robo-vegetable, but still...