the opposite of broadband is not "narrowband"

[Snapster]

Media influence at its best/worst, same reason they use 'hackers'.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Colt45
fat bandwidth and skinny bandwidth works then? 😉

I prefer fat pipe and skinny pipe. Everything electrical engineering related can be taught using water pipe analogies. 🙂

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Colt45
fat bandwidth and skinny bandwidth works then? 😉

I prefer fat pipe and skinny pipe. Everything electrical engineering related can be taught using water pipe analogies. 🙂

suuure 😀

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Would someone please explain why the word broadband is used in ISP marketing speak, and yet we all connect to our broadband routers with a baseband ethernet cable?

Edit: I hope this is appropriately humble for a WTFRTFMN00B.

the "modem" that they give you bridges between their broadband network and your baseband ethernet network. Marketers don't use the term "broadband" as much as technical people do at least around here with TWC and VZ. Often, if you listen to commercials, they refer to it as "high-speed" internet but the connection is called a "broadband connection". They let joe user make the switch in their heads.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: ming2020

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

broadband: more than one signal on a wire, seperated by different frequencies
baseband: one signal on the wire

OK, absolutely nothing to do with bitrates.

Now, is dialup == baseband? How about xDSL?

ADSL shares the line with voice, so it gets off on a technicality. i have no idea about 56K.

Eat a wang and drink more coffee, snob!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
Why? Narrow is the opposite of broad, and dial-up is the opposite of fast... 😕

I thought dude was the opposite of broad?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: ribbon13
Why? Narrow is the opposite of broad, and dial-up is the opposite of fast... 😕

BASEBAND IS THE OPPOSITE OF BROADBAND YOU TOOL

LOL

Well, that may be.. But who is to say those using "narrowband" are saying it's the opposite of broadband?

😛

Main Entry: narrowband
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: in data communications, a channel with bandwidth less than or equal to one voice and a slow data transfer rate, a low-capacity communications circuit or path;

You didn't address my post.

According to dictionary.com, "narrowband" is perfectly appropriate for a dialup connection.

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: ming2020

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

broadband: more than one signal on a wire, seperated by different frequencies
baseband: one signal on the wire

OK, absolutely nothing to do with bitrates.

Now, is dialup == baseband? How about xDSL?

ADSL shares the line with voice, so it gets off on a technicality. i have no idea about 56K.

Eat a wang and drink more coffee, snob!!!!!!!!!!!!

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wow

 

[ActuaryTm]

Narrow-minded is the opposite of broad-minded, however.

(seemed apropos to mention such, considering this is a Pepsi90919 thread)

 

[imported_Hi]

thanks i guess 🙂

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
it's baseband. ethernet is a baseband transmission. cable modems use a broadband transmission, which, incidentally, has absolutely nothing to do with speed.

i hate marketing types

Nerd alert!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
it's baseband. ethernet is a baseband transmission. cable modems use a broadband transmission, which, incidentally, has absolutely nothing to do with speed.
i hate marketing types

Grr. Yes, and do you know why it's called "baseband" transmission? Because it doesn't modulate a carrier-wave, like many other forms of signal-transmission do. Not because it's "the opposite of broadband". Analog modems, OTOH, do use a carrier frequency in the voice band to carry their signals. So therefore, calling dialup analog modem connections "basebase", would be wholly incorrect.

I admit, the term "broadband" is kind of meaningless, IMHO, kind of a hybrid bastardization of the term "broadcast", which means to send to multiple unspecified recipients all at once. I'm guessing it's the cable-internet guys that thought up the term "broadband", since, at least for the downstream channels of most cable plants, the data that you recieve is actually "broadcast" to all of the other nodes, only it is encrypted specifically for your cablemodem to be able to recieve it.

But two wrong terms don't make a right one, think of the internet kittens...

Edit: The ISPs should just call it a "ludicrous speed" connection (in comparison with dialup). It sound cool, and they couldn't be hit with any lawsuits due to failing to meet specified expectations.

Edit 2: Actually, my bad, I meant to say "all of the other CPEs, attached to that node". Not "all the other nodes".

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
That's relevant to my statement how? To joe dumbass base isn't the opposite of broad. Fvcking semantics. Why not call it multiband?

Interestingly, there also are multi-band, as well as "wideband" communications devices.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
it's baseband. ethernet is a baseband transmission. cable modems use a broadband transmission, which, incidentally, has absolutely nothing to do with speed.
i hate marketing types

Grr. Yes, and do you know why it's called "baseband" transmission? Because it doesn't modulate a carrier-wave, like many other forms of signal-transmission do. Not because it's "the opposite of broadband". Analog modems, OTOH, do use a carrier frequency in the voice band to carry their signals. So therefore, calling dialup analog modem connections "basebase", would be wholly incorrect.

I admit, the term "broadband" is kind of meaningless, IMHO, kind of a hybrid bastardization of the term "broadcast", which means to send to multiple unspecified recipients all at once. I'm guessing it's the cable-internet guys that thought up the term "broadband", since, at least for the downstream channels of most cable plants, the data that you recieve is actually "broadcast" to all of the other nodes, only it is encrypted specifically for your cablemodem to be able to recieve it.

But two wrong terms don't make a right one, think of the internet kittens...

Edit: The ISPs should just call it a "ludicrous speed" connection (in comparison with dialup). It sound cool, and they couldn't be hit with any lawsuits due to failing to meet specified expectations.

Really? Didn't realize that.

Isn't that incredibly inefficient?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: ribbon13
Why? Narrow is the opposite of broad, and dial-up is the opposite of fast... 😕

BASEBAND IS THE OPPOSITE OF BROADBAND YOU TOOL

LOL

Well, that may be.. But who is to say those using "narrowband" are saying it's the opposite of broadband?

😛

Main Entry: narrowband
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: in data communications, a channel with bandwidth less than or equal to one voice and a slow data transfer rate, a low-capacity communications circuit or path;

You didn't address my post.

According to dictionary.com, "narrowband" is perfectly appropriate for a dialup connection.

you didn't even quote dictionary.com... it says, "<networking> A communication channel with a low data rate."

that isn't the opposite of broadband. if one channel in your "broad band" happens to be "narrow" then so be it.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm
Narrow-minded is the opposite of broad-minded, however.

(seemed apropos to mention such, considering this is a Pepsi90919 thread)

do i know you?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
it's baseband. ethernet is a baseband transmission. cable modems use a broadband transmission, which, incidentally, has absolutely nothing to do with speed.
i hate marketing types

Grr. Yes, and do you know why it's called "baseband" transmission? Because it doesn't modulate a carrier-wave, like many other forms of signal-transmission do. Not because it's "the opposite of broadband". Analog modems, OTOH, do use a carrier frequency in the voice band to carry their signals. So therefore, calling dialup analog modem connections "basebase", would be wholly incorrect.

I admit, the term "broadband" is kind of meaningless, IMHO, kind of a hybrid bastardization of the term "broadcast", which means to send to multiple unspecified recipients all at once. I'm guessing it's the cable-internet guys that thought up the term "broadband", since, at least for the downstream channels of most cable plants, the data that you recieve is actually "broadcast" to all of the other nodes, only it is encrypted specifically for your cablemodem to be able to recieve it.

But two wrong terms don't make a right one, think of the internet kittens...

Edit: The ISPs should just call it a "ludicrous speed" connection (in comparison with dialup). It sound cool, and they couldn't be hit with any lawsuits due to failing to meet specified expectations.

Really? Didn't realize that.

Isn't that incredibly inefficient?

i would've only thought layer 2 broadcasts would be floating around...unless the activity light on the modem doesn't show everything.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
you didn't even quote dictionary.com... it says, "<networking> A communication channel with a low data rate."

that isn't the opposite of broadband. if one channel in your "broad band" happens to be "narrow" then so be it.

OK, my bad.

I quoted Webster's New Millennium Dictionary of English.

So... according to them, Narrowband is a perfectly acceptable term for dialup. That is what you're bitching about, right? People calling cable "broadband" and dialup "narrowband"?

Or have I completely missed the point of this rant?

 

[lobadobadingdong]

narrowband describes telecommunication that carries voice information in a narrow band of frequencies. More specifically, the term has been used to describe a specific frequency range set aside by the U.S. Fcc for mobile or radio services, including paging systems, from 50 cps to 64 Kbps.

narrowband uses.

now that a high speed data communications guru has spoken, you can all take your panties out of a wad.

edit: it is not the opposite of broadband, but its frequency spread does include the modulations and data rates of dial up communications or single mode ISDN lines.