The open internet ends today!

[techs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12046874

Controversial new rules affecting the running of the internet are expected to be approved by US regulators today.

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) will vote on a principle known as net neutrality; a tenet that ensures all web traffic is treated equally.

The rules have been criticised for setting different standards for fixed line broadband and mobile operators.

Officials said the regulations are "the first time the Commission has adopted enforceable rules" to govern the web.

Tuesday's vote is the culmination of five years of fighting over how best to ensure the free flow of information in all its forms over the internet.

The proposal also comes at a time when consumers are increasingly accessing the web via smart phones and turning to the internet to watch TV shows.

The new regulations would prohibit telecommunications companies that provide high-speed internet service from blocking access by customers to any legal content, applications or service.

But, for the first time, there will be a policy that will allow for what has been termed "paid-prioritisation", where companies will be able to pay for a faster service.





They saying they can't slow down torrents, for instance, but can speed up any website that pays them? Isn't that basically saying that eventually they can offer slow speeds except for those that pay for a decent speed?

The way I read it is the internet providers can just price their current speeds higher and higher, but give the consumer a slight discount to take a slower speed, while the internet provider makes money from the websites to just give the consumer the speed they had before from those sites.

Which basically means the era of the free internet is OVER today.

 

[Red Dawn]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12046874

Which basically means the era of the free internet is OVER today.

What's this free internet that you speak of?

 

[PokerGuy]

This is a rare occurrence, but techs is right. The internet as we know it today soon will be no more.

What's this free internet that you speak of?

Free in the sense that your ISP is not deciding on what content is better for you (bing vs google for example). Even the smallest upstarts is on the same footing as walmart in terms of being able to have a web presence today. In the future, walmart will pay ISP's a large fee so you get high speed when shopping there, but a small upstart website will be slow because it won't have the money to pay all the ISP's.

 

[dmcowen674]

The Corporations have owned the Internet for quite some time, this just makes it official.

 

[techs]

This is a rare occurrence, but techs is right. The internet as we know it today soon will be no more.



Free in the sense that your ISP is not deciding on what content is better for you (bing vs google for example). Even the smallest upstarts is on the same footing as walmart in terms of being able to have a web presence today. In the future, walmart will pay ISP's a large fee so you get high speed when shopping there, but a small upstart website will be slow because it won't have the money to pay all the ISP's.

Yep. It's going to end literally thousands or tens of thousands of websites that host streaming content. During peak hours when the websites are paying for priority it will eventually be impossible to go to other sites, imo. After all, won't the internet providers want to make as much money off the paying websites as possible? And by making the internet experience unbearably slow on non paying websites, more people will go to the paying websites. Hence, more money for the internet providers.

It was fun while it lasted. I guess we should be happy we had a few years of the open internet, right?
After all, this is America. We only want one or two choices for everything. Anything more just assplodes our minds.

 

[mb]

But, for the first time, there will be a policy that will allow for what has been termed "paid-prioritisation", where companies will be able to pay for a faster service.

What I don't get is how can they call this net neutrality when it's the opposite of it?

 

[Genx87]

What I don't get is how can they call this net neutrality when it's the opposite of it?

Govt speak. Like cutting a buget is when a budget doesnt rise as much as they had hoped.

 

[techs]

What I don't get is how can they call this net neutrality when it's the opposite of it?

Yes, exactly. Imagine my surprise when I heard they were going to pass a net neutrality law. And it was exactly the opposite?

White is Black
Right is Wrong
Down is Up

Apparently the American people are just too stupid to live. Where is Darwin when you need him?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Finally, just in time for Christmas, a topic in which we should all be in agreement.

 

[boomerang]

There's a controversy over whether the FCC actually has the power to do this. If the FCC votes in favor of this, it could very well be negated by Congress.

Having said that, the White House is fully supporting this.

In other news, Chavez has succeeded in controlling the internet in Venezuela.


Venezuela Approves Chavez's Internet Laws That Opponents Call Undemocratic

 

[boomerang]

Finally, just in time for Christmas, a topic in which we should all be in agreement.

Don't think so...

There are plenty of supporters here.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There's a controversy over whether the FCC actually has the power to do this. If the FCC votes in favor of this, it could very well be negated by Congress.

Having said that, the White House is fully supporting this.

In other news, Chavez has succeeded in controlling the internet in Venezuela.


Venezuela Approves Chavez's Internet Laws That Opponents Call Undemocratic

Yeah well Chavez is now ruling by decree, he's effectively a dictator for life.

He's doing the same thing to the internet that he did to the press a while back (well, he can't actually control the internet, only censor it) and i doubt anyone is really surprised except maybe for Craig234.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Don't think so...

There are plenty of supporters here.

I don't think there are PLENTY of them, there is Spidey007 and some kid always following him around and agreeing with him but other than those two... ?

 

[spidey07]

If all this is doing is codifying the FCCs policy statement then it certainly is very good news if it passes. Still allows "reasonable network management" to offer top notch service to all customers and allow the advancement of the Internet.

This is a win for all internet users. You should be happy if this passes.

What part of this is bad?

To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected
nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of
their choice.
• To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected
nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their
choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement.
• To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected
nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that
do not harm the network.13
• To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected
nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to competition among network providers,
application and service providers, and content providers.

 

[her209]

Paid-for prioritization claims false?
http://connectedplanetonline.com/re...s-will-prohibit-paid-for-prioritization-1220/

 

[Rubycon]

First things they need to clean it up! :biggrin:

• Abolish all porn forever! I'm fine with an internet ban only which leaves the mags/smut videos intact. Make ALL porn the same as child porn. Get caught with it, go to jail.
• Get rid of spam. Most spam is from infected computers. Heavily fine the ISPs for not cutting off customer access when their pcs get infected. Which leads to number three...
• Malware. Lock down at the ISP level. Create a trusted network to block the stupid stuff in the first place. The fact that we have this stuff flying around and routed to the premise interface is absurd.
• P2P namely "bit torrent". Block it at all levels. Abuse from piracy aside, it degrades network performance severely.
• Standardize the speed, i.e. 100Mbps full duplex "handout" to every customer. This would be like a utility where everyone gets 240/120VAC at your service entrance. And (you guessed it) like a utility you pay a rate for what you use. Say $0.01 per megabyte downloaded and $0.02 for megabyte uploaded, etc.

Look that list sounds ridiculous but you know if the folks that are really abusing the network and pushing the limits sooner or later computing will get real. By real I mean every device will be registered to a real identity such as a SSN and every single packet your computer sends is positively traceable to you. Sure you can still use a computer without registration but it would essentially be useless as having no network interface! That's what they call fully trusted computing and networking. Spam, viruses, warez would be ended for sure but honestly do YOU want that? I know I would not care for it.

 

[techs]

Paid-for prioritization claims false?
http://connectedplanetonline.com/re...s-will-prohibit-paid-for-prioritization-1220/

Uh, its another one of those read between the lines things.

No, it doesn't come out and say you can charge for prioritizaton.

"Instead, the draft Order would have the effect of actually relaxing restrictions on this kind of discrimination"

So, in effect it does open the door to paid prioritization. Sneaky, sneaky.

 

[MotF Bane]

First things they need to clean it up! :biggrin:

• Abolish all porn forever! I'm fine with an internet ban only which leaves the mags/smut videos intact. Make ALL porn the same as child porn. Get caught with it, go to jail.
• Get rid of spam. Most spam is from infected computers. Heavily fine the ISPs for not cutting off customer access when their pcs get infected. Which leads to number three...
• Malware. Lock down at the ISP level. Create a trusted network to block the stupid stuff in the first place. The fact that we have this stuff flying around and routed to the premise interface is absurd.
• P2P namely "bit torrent". Block it at all levels. Abuse from piracy aside, it degrades network performance severely.
• Standardize the speed, i.e. 100Mbps full duplex "handout" to every customer. This would be like a utility where everyone gets 240/120VAC at your service entrance. And (you guessed it) like a utility you pay a rate for what you use. Say $0.01 per megabyte downloaded and $0.02 for megabyte uploaded, etc.

Look that list sounds ridiculous but you know if the folks that are really abusing the network and pushing the limits sooner or later computing will get real. By real I mean every device will be registered to a real identity such as a SSN and every single packet your computer sends is positively traceable to you. Sure you can still use a computer without registration but it would essentially be useless as having no network interface! That's what they call fully trusted computing and networking. Spam, viruses, warez would be ended for sure but honestly do YOU want that? I know I would not care for it.

*taps sarcasm meter* I hope this thing is malfunctioning.

 

[mb]

First things they need to clean it up! :biggrin:

• Abolish all porn forever! I'm fine with an internet ban only which leaves the mags/smut videos intact. Make ALL porn the same as child porn. Get caught with it, go to jail.
• Get rid of spam. Most spam is from infected computers. Heavily fine the ISPs for not cutting off customer access when their pcs get infected. Which leads to number three...
• Malware. Lock down at the ISP level. Create a trusted network to block the stupid stuff in the first place. The fact that we have this stuff flying around and routed to the premise interface is absurd.
• P2P namely "bit torrent". Block it at all levels. Abuse from piracy aside, it degrades network performance severely.
• Standardize the speed, i.e. 100Mbps full duplex "handout" to every customer. This would be like a utility where everyone gets 240/120VAC at your service entrance. And (you guessed it) like a utility you pay a rate for what you use. Say $0.01 per megabyte downloaded and $0.02 for megabyte uploaded, etc.

Look that list sounds ridiculous but you know if the folks that are really abusing the network and pushing the limits sooner or later computing will get real. By real I mean every device will be registered to a real identity such as a SSN and every single packet your computer sends is positively traceable to you. Sure you can still use a computer without registration but it would essentially be useless as having no network interface! That's what they call fully trusted computing and networking. Spam, viruses, warez would be ended for sure but honestly do YOU want that? I know I would not care for it.

Just so there's no confusion, is the list you posted what you want?

 

[Rubycon]

I would have no problem with it particularly the porn. In the UK they're going to a blacklist system (if approved) mainly that if a customer WANTS it they have to call and request it get allowed. That is hilarious only because the provider KNOWS who wants it! :biggrin:

I say good riddance to porn. I know that's like going to a movie and yelling FIRE in here, but so be it. Making it mandatory they go to .xxx is essential because it makes it easier to filter. That's the first step. (people have been joking for years to make it .cum) :eek;

Look at the news headlines though. This is moving pretty fast.

Does the FCC taking over mean people can't curse online? Of course not. Then again I seriously doubt (hope) the majority of the potty mouths online don't talk that way in real life. It would be hard imagining they could actually eat with such a mouth if that were the case. :biggrin:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Just so there's no confusion, is the list you posted what you want?

Read the last sentence of her post.

 

[mb]

I would have no problem with it particularly the porn. In the UK they're going to a blacklist system (if approved) mainly that if a customer WANTS it they have to call and request it get allowed. That is hilarious only because the provider KNOWS who wants it! :biggrin:

I say good riddance to porn. I know that's like going to a movie and yelling FIRE in here, but so be it. Making it mandatory they go to .xxx is essential because it makes it easier to filter. That's the first step. (people have been joking for years to make it .cum) :eek;

Look at the news headlines though. This is moving pretty fast.

Does the FCC taking over mean people can't curse online? Of course not. Then again I seriously doubt (hope) the majority of the potty mouths online don't talk that way in real life. It would be hard imagining they could actually eat with such a mouth if that were the case. :biggrin:

Read the last sentence of her post.

Read her reply. She seems to be serious. And a bit crazy... yikes.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I would have no problem with it particularly the porn. In the UK they're going to a blacklist system (if approved) mainly that if a customer WANTS it they have to call and request it get allowed. That is hilarious only because the provider KNOWS who wants it! :biggrin:

I say good riddance to porn. I know that's like going to a movie and yelling FIRE in here, but so be it. Making it mandatory they go to .xxx is essential because it makes it easier to filter. That's the first step. (people have been joking for years to make it .cum) :eek;

Look at the news headlines though. This is moving pretty fast.

Does the FCC taking over mean people can't curse online? Of course not. Then again I seriously doubt (hope) the majority of the potty mouths online don't talk that way in real life. It would be hard imagining they could actually eat with such a mouth if that were the case. :biggrin:

Says the woman who was talking about banging a deer in another thread...

I'm probably one of the worst on here with language and i tone it DOWN for the internet, you should hear how i talk to my men...

 

[Rubycon]

Says the woman who was talking about banging a deer in another thread...

I'm probably one of the worst on here with language and i tone it DOWN for the internet, you should hear how i talk to my men...

Oh yeah men do that and I know.
I used to be fairly bad myself particularly around complex machinery and (glub!) computers.

I then had a friend that had an African Grey (parrot) and because of my colorful metaphors the bird would spew them when someone would open a laptop nearby! :$

Think Dottie Hinkle and Beverly Sutphin in Serial Mom type cursing. :whiste:

Apparently the guys/dudes treat their porn like their own "junk". Taking that away sounds like serious business. Just plastering it all over the net is bad. Keep it under control. I mean how would you feel if every (guy) had to walk around in public with his junk hanging out, swinging back and forth but the women had to be completely covered up? Ok that's ridiculous but you get the idea... (the women may not mind but how often do you hear of spam with naked Brad Pitt pics?)

 

[airdata]

Anybody over the age of 50 should not be allowed to vote for anything regarding restricting anything related to the internet.