The Official Xbox One Thread

[zerocool84]

the news of ki last week got me excited for ki again so i got my cabinet up and running again. installed all new joysticks and buttons today and man it feels SSSSOOOO much better. the joysticks were so loose before and 1 of the buttons was stuck, so i just ordered all new stuff.

i took a video of how the REAL "ultra combo" is announced since there was some confusion in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNP1fHvxaWU

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[erwos]

lol that was a good video. joe asked some really great questions i just wish they could have gotten answered better. all major nelson kept repeating was 'cloud future connected' etc. told us nothing we don't know.

I get the distinct impression that MN is under marching orders to not discuss certain topics.

 

[purbeast0]

I get the distinct impression that MN is under marching orders to not discuss certain topics.

yeah that is what it seems like. i actually have been watching more of joe's videos recently that i'm a fan of the guy. he just seems like a very passionate gamer and is entertaining too.

 

[Tweak155]

the news of ki last week got me excited for ki again so i got my cabinet up and running again. installed all new joysticks and buttons today and man it feels SSSSOOOO much better. the joysticks were so loose before and 1 of the buttons was stuck, so i just ordered all new stuff.

i took a video of how the REAL "ultra combo" is announced since there was some confusion in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNP1fHvxaWU

OMG that was awesome. Nice vid :thumbsup:

 

[Dari]

the news of ki last week got me excited for ki again so i got my cabinet up and running again. installed all new joysticks and buttons today and man it feels SSSSOOOO much better. the joysticks were so loose before and 1 of the buttons was stuck, so i just ordered all new stuff.

i took a video of how the REAL "ultra combo" is announced since there was some confusion in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNP1fHvxaWU

Love it:wub: It takes me back.

 

[Nintendesert]

I agree.. the interesting thing is the the EU has already ruled.. US lagging. Link to wikipedia below. They say that a first purchaser can legally sell their licensed product (even though it does not "degrade" like most physical products). The one catch is that the orignal owner must no longer be able to use the licensed product. That has been impossible to implement and seems to be exactly what the xbox one does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
Application to digital copies



However, in Europe, the European Court of Justice ruled on July 3, 2012, that it is indeed permissible to resell software licenses even if the digital good has been downloaded directly from the Internet, and that the first-sale doctrine applied whenever software was originally sold to a customer for an unlimited amount of time, as such sale involves a transfer of ownership, thus prohibiting any software maker from preventing the resale of their software by any of their legitimate owners.[3][4][5] The court requires that the previous owner must no longer be able to use the licensed software after the resale, but finds that the practical difficulties in enforcing this clause should not be an obstacle to authorizing resale, as they are also present for software which can be installed from physical supports, where the first-sale doctrine is in force.[6][7] The ruling applies to the European Union, but could indirectly find its way to North America; moreover the situation could entice publishers to offer platforms for a secondary market.[4]

Very interesting ruling, it makes good sense too. I'd like to know how the XBone is going to manage this in Europe and I'd really like to know how other digital distribution methods deal with this. Steam or Origin etc. since alot of these kinds of licenses are tied to an account now, transferring from one user to another shouldn't be that hard.

 

[Aikouka]

Angry Joe did an interview with Major Nelson at E3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

I can just imagine that he tends to get some of those same comments day after day. In a way, he gets to bear the unabated assault from the Internet because Microsoft does such a terrible job with the PR. Things such as the family plan and selling your games should have been the first things out of their mouth after the DRM spiel. If you're going to try and sell someone a shit sandwich, at least tell them about all the tasty condiments!

He definitely seemed to get testy over the constant references to Steam, and I'm surprised that Microsoft isn't aware of impending comparisons just like what happened when they announced Windows Phone 7 (i.e. "It has no copy and paste!"). When you transition into a fully digital market when there's already a huge giant in said market (i.e. Steam), you're going to draw comparisons. Suck it up, buttercup, because you're in for a long ride.

i took a video of how the REAL "ultra combo" is announced since there was some confusion in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNP1fHvxaWU

I think your machine is broken!

:sneaky:

 

[smackababy]

I can just imagine that he tends to get some of those same comments day after day. In a way, he gets to bear the unabated assault from the Internet because Microsoft does such a terrible job with the PR. Things such as the family plan and selling your games should have been the first things out of their mouth after the DRM spiel. If you're going to try and sell someone a shit sandwich, at least tell them about all the tasty condiments!

He definitely seemed to get testy over the constant references to Steam, and I'm surprised that Microsoft isn't aware of impending comparisons just like what happened when they announced Windows Phone 7 (i.e. "It has no copy and paste!"). When you transition into a fully digital market when there's already a huge giant in said market (i.e. Steam), you're going to draw comparisons. Suck it up, buttercup, because you're in for a long ride.



I think your machine is broken!

:sneaky:

From what I understand, they designed to be like Steam. I think MN really was held on a leash about what he can and can't say, which is unfortunate. If MS would just come out and say something along the lines of "yes, our model is not perfect for everyone, but we believe this is the model of the future and have a lot of great features that now accompany said model such as [features like family trading / discless play / available cloud library on any console]." But instead they just fumble around and don't really put forth a lot of useful information.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I can just imagine that he tends to get some of those same comments day after day. In a way, he gets to bear the unabated assault from the Internet because Microsoft does such a terrible job with the PR. Things such as the family plan and selling your games should have been the first things out of their mouth after the DRM spiel. If you're going to try and sell someone a shit sandwich, at least tell them about all the tasty condiments!

He definitely seemed to get testy over the constant references to Steam, and I'm surprised that Microsoft isn't aware of impending comparisons just like what happened when they announced Windows Phone 7 (i.e. "It has no copy and paste!"). When you transition into a fully digital market when there's already a huge giant in said market (i.e. Steam), you're going to draw comparisons. Suck it up, buttercup, because you're in for a long ride.



I think your machine is broken!

:sneaky:

The family plan...sounds nice until the new hot game comes out and you buy it. Then every time you want to play, cousin Bill and Nephew Alex are on it and you are locked out. I see it being a disaster in that regard. Also, it was touched on...but Major Nelson cut off the question. What prevents you from having a friend, not really family, on your list and he gets every game you do except he doesn't ever buy a single game ever? How do they establish what is considered "family"?

 

[smackababy]

Very interesting ruling, it makes good sense too. I'd like to know how the XBone is going to manage this in Europe and I'd really like to know how other digital distribution methods deal with this. Steam or Origin etc. since alot of these kinds of licenses are tied to an account now, transferring from one user to another shouldn't be that hard.

I believe Steam and Origin just ignore it currently. Besides, if the EU tried to sue Steam for violating this law, Steam would probably just close up show in the EU. Then the internet would have shit their pants and bash the EU for it. People are all about consumer rights until they can't get their product.

 

[smackababy]

The family plan...sounds nice until the new hot game comes out and you buy it. Then every time you want to play, cousin Bill and Nephew Alex are on it and you are locked out. I see it being a disaster in that regard. Also, it was touched on...but Major Nelson cut off the question. What prevents you from having a friend, not really family, on your list and he gets every game you do except he doesn't ever buy a single game ever? How do they establish what is considered "family"?

I doubt it will lock the owner out of the game. That would be incredibly stupid. And as far as who is family, I think MN didn't want to, or wasn't allowed, to say there are no real restrictions or ways of enforcing it. Some of the details I had read about it, sounded like you just add the gamertags to your family list thing and it works from there.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I doubt it will lock the owner out of the game. That would be incredibly stupid. And as far as who is family, I think MN didn't want to, or wasn't allowed, to say there are no real restrictions or ways of enforcing it. Some of the details I had read about it, sounded like you just add the gamertags to your family list thing and it works from there.

However...the question was avoided entirely. That is the part that worries me and others. Why are they not forthcoming with how everything will work? We all deserve to know. Unless this was thought up last minute and not thought out all the way, I dunno. It seems sketchy to me at this point.

 

[smackababy]

However...the question was avoided entirely. That is the part that worries me and others. Why are they not forthcoming with how everything will work? We all deserve to know. Unless this was thought up last minute and not thought out all the way, I dunno. It seems sketchy to me at this point.

From a PR standpoint, they can't just come out and say "Add anyone you want to your family and share games forever." That looks bad to publishers, who ultimately have to green light the sharing aspect. Realistically, it will be quite hard to tell who is family and who isn't (unless they get DNA tests and the NSA backs up the data >_> )

I think it will end up being your group of friends all go on the family plan together and share games, which is a great thing. You don't need a demo if you can try out the full game.

 

[purbeast0]

another nice little killer instinct developer video that also explains the business model a little bit, and then some more details about the engine/combos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGTcCMcJy0c&feature=player_embedded

you get meter fast as shit in this game. they said they are doing that to make it more aggressive, which is awesome. so excited for this game.

 

[dagamer34]

From a PR standpoint, they can't just come out and say "Add anyone you want to your family and share games forever." That looks bad to publishers, who ultimately have to green light the sharing aspect. Realistically, it will be quite hard to tell who is family and who isn't (unless they get DNA tests and the NSA backs up the data >_> )

I think it will end up being your group of friends all go on the family plan together and share games, which is a great thing. You don't need a demo if you can try out the full game.

They've already said family doesn't have to be blood relatives. Publishers already accept a certain amount of sharing goes on, which is perfectly fine with them. Though I think they would much rather sell cheaper copies new to those people than have them buy a used copy at all.

 

[cmdrdredd]

From a PR standpoint, they can't just come out and say "Add anyone you want to your family and share games forever." That looks bad to publishers, who ultimately have to green light the sharing aspect. Realistically, it will be quite hard to tell who is family and who isn't (unless they get DNA tests and the NSA backs up the data >_> )

I think it will end up being your group of friends all go on the family plan together and share games, which is a great thing. You don't need a demo if you can try out the full game.

Well like I said...when your friends become enemies because you and Tommy always hog Halo and nobody else can play and you tell them to go buy the game, but he said "ya but I bought the other two games and let you play." It will become a headache for someone lol

I know I couldn't use such a thing for that reason. It'll probably be cool for brothers to use or something similar. Buy game once and both can play online or whatever. I just can't. See trying to balance it between 10 myself

 

[smackababy]

another nice little killer instinct developer video that also explains the business model a little bit, and then some more details about the engine/combos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGTcCMcJy0c&feature=player_embedded

you get meter fast as shit in this game. they said they are doing that to make it more aggressive, which is awesome. so excited for this game.

Them wanting it to be more rush down oriented and it actually happening remain to be seen. Look at UMVC3, Chris G basically turtles every match with his Morrigan / Doom combo and dominates.

I can't watch the video at work, so I don't know what was talked about, but I hope it is good news.

 

[purbeast0]

The family plan...sounds nice until the new hot game comes out and you buy it. Then every time you want to play, cousin Bill and Nephew Alex are on it and you are locked out. I see it being a disaster in that regard. Also, it was touched on...but Major Nelson cut off the question. What prevents you from having a friend, not really family, on your list and he gets every game you do except he doesn't ever buy a single game ever? How do they establish what is considered "family"?

from what i get out of it, it made a lot more sense when he mentioned "think of it as a library" in the interview. that made me think about it as if you had a physical copy of the game, in a library, with the current consoles.

so say you have 10 people in your "family". and you have 1 purchased copy of cod. if you had the physical disc, you would only be allowed to play it on one console at a time. so it makes sense that only 1 person can play it at a time. then if you were at home and wanted to play it on 2 consoles, you would need 2 physical copies of cod so you can load it up on 2 consoles. however, if your friends wanted to try it out before they purchase it, you would lend them your physical disc, which means you couldn't play it while they are playing it. but hopefully the original purchaser can have his "copy" whenever he wants and can kick anyone off who is playing it.

so that is how i thought about it and it made a lot more sense. and i believe your "family" can be a group of any 10 people on your friend list. i could be totally wrong about that though.

 

[smackababy]

Well like I said...when your friends become enemies because you and Tommy always hog Halo and nobody else can play and you tell them to go buy the game, but he said "ya but I bought the other two games and let you play." It will become a headache for someone lol

I know I couldn't use such a thing for that reason. It'll probably be cool for brothers to use or something similar. Buy game once and both can play online or whatever. I just can't. See trying to balance it between 10 myself

I don't know exactly how it works (and neither does anyone outside of the team that developed it from the sounds of it), but it could end up being a problem for some that never buy games.

It just is a feature that is great for people who want to try out games. "Oh, Kevin bought that new COD and I am on the fence about it; I think I will download it tonight when he is playing Forza and get a better idea of whether I'll like it or not." Obviously, this isn't a solution to never buying games again, but it does open the possibility of demoing a game a friend has been playing.

 

[purbeast0]

Them wanting it to be more rush down oriented and it actually happening remain to be seen. Look at UMVC3, Chris G basically turtles every match with his Morrigan / Doom combo and dominates.

I can't watch the video at work, so I don't know what was talked about, but I hope it is good news.

true, but there is only a certain amount of things you can do to try and make a game set up to be played in a certain manner. and the direction they are going seems to be that way. if you notice too, combos are REALLY damaging in this game, and fast. like last night when i was messing around with my killer instinct cab, i realize how fast matches can end. it looks like this new ki has that same feel to it.

whereas when you look at sf4 or any of the curent games, they aren't like that. they have a normal length to them. in killer instinct 1, you can do like 5 combos and your opponent is dead. and those combos can take like 2 seconds each.

 

[KaOTiK]

I believe Steam and Origin just ignore it currently. Besides, if the EU tried to sue Steam for violating this law, Steam would probably just close up show in the EU. Then the internet would have shit their pants and bash the EU for it. People are all about consumer rights until they can't get their product.

Steam was brought to court or had some legal dealings with the issue. In the end the EU gave Steam to xxxx date (can't remember when) to allow users from the EU the ability to sell their games in some fashion. This is where the Steam market came from essentially. It is the test bed for allowing the sale of a game through Steam, they are using it for other stuff now as they work the bugs out and are probably going to wait till the end of their deadline to implement the game selling part.

 

[smackababy]

true, but there is only a certain amount of things you can do to try and make a game set up to be played in a certain manner. and the direction they are going seems to be that way. if you notice too, combos are REALLY damaging in this game, and fast. like last night when i was messing around with my killer instinct cab, i realize how fast matches can end. it looks like this new ki has that same feel to it.

whereas when you look at sf4 or any of the curent games, they aren't like that. they have a normal length to them. in killer instinct 1, you can do like 5 combos and your opponent is dead. and those combos can take like 2 seconds each.

Yeah, I saw some like 46% damage combos. With the breaker system though, hopefully that doesn't happen as often as in Marvel. Pretty much every hit is death in that game.

 

[jrphoenix]

The family plan...sounds nice until the new hot game comes out and you buy it. Then every time you want to play, cousin Bill and Nephew Alex are on it and you are locked out. I see it being a disaster in that regard. Also, it was touched on...but Major Nelson cut off the question. What prevents you from having a friend, not really family, on your list and he gets every game you do except he doesn't ever buy a single game ever? How do they establish what is considered "family"?

I'm very curious about how this is implemented as well. I wonder if you have to "click" the game you want to share and allow family to use it (after you have played it)? My sister and I have already said we'll buy different games to share later on.. I'm buying a package with Ryse and she is picking up Dead Rising 3. Need more info on this feature, has the potential to be awesome or a cluster f**k.

If it works and people use it... it basically lets groups of people (family) share games and keep games vs.. trading at gamestop. I play Halo, and keep it because Susie and Johnny didn't buy it waiting for me to share it with them. If they like it, they will have to buy it if I do decide to trade my game or gift it.

 

[smackababy]

I'm very curious about how this is implemented as well. I wonder if you have to "click" the game you want to share and allow family to use it (after you have played it)? My sister and I have already said we'll buy different games to share later on.. I'm buying a package with Ryse and she is picking up Dead Rising 3. Need more info on this feature, has the potential to be awesome or a cluster f**k.

If it works and people use it... it basically lets groups of people (family) share games and keep games vs.. trading at gamestop. I play Halo, and keep it because Susie and Johnny didn't buy it waiting for me to share it with them. If they like it, they will have to buy it if I do decide to trade my game or gift it.

From what I have heard, it sounds like you just add people to your family list and they can download any of your games at any time. They can then play them when you are not, unless they are that special friend, then they can play with you.

The added convenience of this type of sharing outweighs any potential "cluster f**k" that might occur if all you do is mooch games of your friends; at least, in my opinion.

 

[KaOTiK]

I'm very curious about how this is implemented as well. I wonder if you have to "click" the game you want to share and allow family to use it (after you have played it)? My sister and I have already said we'll buy different games to share later on.. I'm buying a package with Ryse and she is picking up Dead Rising 3. Need more info on this feature, has the potential to be awesome or a cluster f**k.

If it works and people use it... it basically lets groups of people (family) share games and keep games vs.. trading at gamestop. I play Halo, and keep it because Susie and Johnny didn't buy it waiting for me to share it with them. If they like it, they will have to buy it if I do decide to trade my game or gift it.

From what has been said and from what can be gathered. It sounds like they will just had it to where you add people under you for your family plan and they will have access to your library. We do know that 2 people can play the same game at once, but they did say only in single player. Now I don't know and I don't think they clarified it anymore, but it could be possible that the shared games wont allow multiplayer, at least not for sure when two people are playing the same one at the sametime (outside of split screen).