The Official Xbox One Thread

[American Gunner]

And that is what MS is banking on. They basically made an always online console, and gave developers the "freedom" to use always online services and such (like cloud computing), but knowing that internet sometimes does stop, added a buffer for how long the console will function without internet.


I also think MS is realizing the lines between single player and multiplayer are going to be increasingly blurred. Eventually, single player will just mean playing without anyone else, but able to instantly, should you choose. Diablo 3 already started down this road.

That is one thing I noticed, and it was even mentioned on one of the clips I watched during E3. The lines between single player and multiplayer seems to be getting really fuzzy. There are still non-social gamers out there that don't want to be connected, but that isn't me.

 

[American Gunner]

No, the arguments have been "it's $100 cheaper" and "it doesn't require you to be online constantly" and "you can buy and sell used games and rent games."

You can buy and sale games on the XB1 too.

 

[Arkaign]

^^ Those are fair points. I think personally that it's really going to cost Microsoft this time though, because it's obviously arbitrary, and only implemented to try to control licensing more tightly. On measure, I think they'll lose money due to the MILLIONS of customers who cannot get reasonable internet to even MP on. There is actually a lot of movement with young people to just go 3G/4G/LTE for their phones and drop home internet completely.

Everyone knows digital only/online only are inevitable. The problem is that we're not there yet, and Microsoft is treating their console NOW with PHYSICAL media as if it already WERE that way. All with substantially weaker hardware and a higher price. They're really going to have their work cut out for them. Aside from the super fanboys, their support is on life support right now.

 

[Arkaign]

You can buy and sale games on the XB1 too.

Sort of, but we know that since it's corporate controlled, the pricing and convenience of those options are SEVERELY curtailed. I can't simply give you the game, take $5 for it, and you can take it home and immediately play it. There are hoops, and good freaking luck with the massive inconveniences, I think most will simply give up if the Xbone model doesn't change.

 

[Lazarus52980]

Mark me down as someone intending to purchase the Xbox One.

 

[Tweak155]

Mark me down as someone intending to purchase the Xbox One.

Marked.

 

[sze5003]

The reasons at least I picked ps4 were because you can trade, rent, buy and sell used games. Some people don't do that, I still do and know many that do the same.
I don't want to have a kinnect or eye camera connected to power on the system, I don't use it at all.

I don't want the system connected to online to play single player games. Even if it's just to check in. There have been episodes where Comcast screwed me up and I didn't have internet for 3 days straight.

It's cool to share games with friends but again, you can give xb1 game to your friend and that's it , it's between you and him the money agreement but I bet there will be annotations set on who can access what based on who's activated the game first.

I also don't care much for tv integration. I rarely watch cable tv or have time to. Anything else I can do on the pc or my smartphone. What will be different on xb1 about media streaming that a roku can't do?

If the price drops and I feel like blowing money sure I would try out the system if some bad ass game came along.

 

[Lazarus52980]

Marked.

Thank you.

 

[KaOTiK]

List of countries the X1 will work in at launch.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States

 

[Arkaign]

^ need to edit that down to areas with Internet, and customers who haven't dropped their home wired internet for pure cell phone only.

 

[dpodblood]

Microsoft finally has provided some clarification on the whole "family sharing" aspect of the Xbox ONE:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

While this doesn't really help with the 24 hour check in, it certainly helps to soften the blow around the sale of used games, lending, etc...

 

[Imported]

Current Fanatec wheel owners may be left out in the cold for the Xbox One.

http://www.911wheel.de/?q=node/10006

Puts a hold on wanting to buy Forza 5 and the Xbox One at launch. Forza 5 is the main reason I'd get it at launch..

 

[Arkaign]

Current Fanatec wheel owners may be left out in the cold for the Xbox One.

http://www.911wheel.de/?q=node/10006

Puts a hold on wanting to buy Forza 5 and the Xbox One at launch. Forza 5 is the main reason I'd get it at launch..

The only reason they're doing that is the same reason with the 'cloud' *cough, we mean DRM!* bullcrap, the same reason they're doing online 24hr checks, the same reason they're tying games to XBL accounts, etc :

GREED.

They want to resell you all new stuff. Look at the Xbone controller. There's nothing special about it that would technically make it not replaceable with a 360 controller. I GUARANTEE you they intentionally disabled 360 controllers artificially, just to sell you their marked up crap. $40-$50 for a controller that you know cost them $3-$4 to manufacture in China.

 

[smackababy]

^ need to edit that down to areas with Internet, and customers who haven't dropped their home wired internet for pure cell phone only.

Do you have any actual data to support people are dropping broadband internet to pay MORE for SLOWER data with more stringent caps via cell phone companies? I highly doubt you do. But please continue to spout it as fact.

 

[smackababy]

The only reason they're doing that is the same reason with the 'cloud' *cough, we mean DRM!* bullcrap, the same reason they're doing online 24hr checks, the same reason they're tying games to XBL accounts, etc :

GREED.

They want to resell you all new stuff. Look at the Xbone controller. There's nothing special about it that would technically make it not replaceable with a 360 controller. I GUARANTEE you they intentionally disabled 360 controllers artificially, just to sell you their marked up crap. $40-$50 for a controller that you know cost them $3-$4 to manufacture in China.

You're right! MS is the only console company in the history of consoles that has forced you to buy new peripherals for each system. I am still using my power glove and my power pad on my Wii-U!

 

[Tweak155]

Do you have any actual data to support people are dropping broadband internet to pay MORE for SLOWER data with more stringent caps via cell phone companies? I highly doubt you do. But please continue to spout it as fact.

He has stated a lot of stuff as "fact". I'd just ignore the posts.

 

[KaOTiK]

If you have MS points on your account they will convert it to cash/credit on Live and it has a 1 year expiration date. If you put credit/cash on your account afterwards it has no expiration date.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billi...ccount-management/microsoft-points-retire-faq

How does this change affect me?
You will begin using local currency or an Xbox Gift Card (denominated in your local currency) to buy music, games, videos, and more from your favorite Xbox stores. When you use your existing Microsoft Points to initiate a purchase or redeem a Points card with your Microsoft account later this year, we’ll deposit into your account an amount of money equal to or greater than the marketplace value of your Microsoft Points, and your Microsoft Points will be retired. The purchased funds you deposit into your account after the transition will not expire. However, the funds we deposit into your account at the time of the transition will expire one year from the deposit date.

 

[AMDZen]

I love how people haven't brought up one of the main points of the Xbox one. Or at least I haven't seen much on it. That you cannot replace the HDD.

Games of the next gen will probably be 30-50 GB probably fairly regularly, and if you say they will average 25 GB, that is only 20 games that you can have installed and then you have to start uninstalling games to install new ones.

HDD's also fail. If yours fails on your Xbone, you have to send it to MS. On my PS4 I will just buy a 3TB or so drive and throw it in there and have more games installed.

Big win for Sony, huge fail for Xbox one

 

[Tweak155]

If you have MS points on your account they will convert it to cash/credit on Live and it has a 1 year expiration date. If you put credit/cash on your account afterwards it has no expiration date.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billi...ccount-management/microsoft-points-retire-faq

Ok I still need one piece of clarification - I may have missed it.

Is this change taking place on 360 too? I assume so.

 

[smackababy]

I love how people haven't brought up one of the main points of the Xbox one. Or at least I haven't seen much on it. That you cannot replace the HDD.

Games of the next gen will probably be 30-50 GB probably fairly regularly, and if you say they will average 25 GB, that is only 20 games that you can have installed and then you have to start uninstalling games to install new ones.

HDD's also fail. If yours fails on your Xbone, you have to send it to MS. On my PS4 I will just buy a 3TB or so drive and throw it in there and have more games installed.

Big win for Sony, huge fail for Xbox one

I don't really see how having more than 20 games installed at a time is a big deal. In fact, since you can play from the disc while it installs, you don't even get the install factor. Just slower load times. Who actually plays 20 games at once?

 

[smackababy]

Ok I still need one piece of clarification - I may have missed it.

Is this change taking place on 360 too? I assume so.

Yes, this is for all of Xbox Live. The Fall Update will transition your points to currency.

 

[AMDZen]

I don't really see how having more than 20 games installed at a time is a big deal. In fact, since you can play from the disc while it installs, you don't even get the install factor. Just slower load times. Who actually plays 20 games at once?

What if games start getting closer to 50 GB the limit on (dual-layer) BD's today, then its down to 10 games.

4-5 years down the road and I want to play a game from 4-5 years before I have to reinstall it?

Whatever, its a big selling point for me. Region free is another one.

I'll be upgrading the HDD on my PS4, guarenteed - so I can have my whole library on there and never need to go back and find the disc from games years back

 

[smackababy]

What if games start getting closer to 50 GB the limit on (dual-layer) BD's today, then its down to 10 games.

4-5 years down the road and I want to play a game from 4-5 years before I have to reinstall it?

Whatever, its a big selling point for me. Region free is another one.

I'll be upgrading the HDD on my PS4, guarenteed - so I can have my whole library on there and never need to go back and find the disc from games years back

Installing happens in the background. You won't notice it. There is no "wait for this to be installed" happening. MS has already stated you can play from the disc, while it is being copied to the HDD. And after it is finish, you can do away with the disc.

I am not sure if this will work for DD though. Possibly letting you download the first part few levels and then hoping it downloads faster than you play, perhaps?

 

[AMDZen]

Installing happens in the background. You won't notice it. There is no "wait for this to be installed" happening. MS has already stated you can play from the disc, while it is being copied to the HDD. And after it is finish, you can do away with the disc.

I am not sure if this will work for DD though. Possibly letting you download the first part few levels and then hoping it downloads faster than you play, perhaps?

My point is your are limited to 500 GB and that is the end of story. Period. Another limitation I won't have.

You also haven't addressed what happens when your Xbone HDD fails. You think that won't happen? You think turn around from MS is going to be solid when you can just grab that 1 TB you have laying around and throw it in your PS4 the same day and have zero down time? ANd how much is MS going to charge for the 500 GB replacements? Probably like an absurd amount that you could buy 2-3 drives for. So instead of just going out to newegg or wherever has the best price, you are stuck with whatever MS wants to charge and thats it.

Thats like ordering a RAM upgrade from Apple when buying a Mac Pro

 

[smackababy]

My point is your are limited to 500 GB and that is the end of story. Period. Another limitation I won't have.

You also haven't addressed what happens when your Xbone HDD fails. You think that won't happen? You think turn around from MS is going to be solid when you can just grab that 1 TB you have laying around and throw it in your PS4 the same day and have zero down time? ANd how much is MS going to charge for the 500 GB replacements? Probably like an absurd amount that you could buy 2-3 drives for. So instead of just going out to newegg or wherever has the best price, you are stuck with whatever MS wants to charge and thats it.

Thats like ordering a RAM upgrade from Apple when buying a Mac Pro

Well, I haven't had a single problem upgrading the HDD in my 360s. And in the event the HDD fails, you will have to send it in to MS and pay the pretty standard $99 fee for a fix, if it is out of warranty. How often do HDDs really fail? The only HDD failure I've ever had in 20 or so years of computing was an SSD. And it was a first gen OCZ Vertex and it had some kind of firmware problem.