The Official Xbox One Thread

[Tweak155]

The reason for buying an Xbox One right now, at this very moment, for me, outweigh the reasons to buy a PS4. You are saying that I am being shortsighted for buying one at launch rather than the other, when one (the Xbox), appeals to me more right now. You are suggesting, I believe, that I shouldn't buy the one that currently appeals to me, but the other because it might appeal to me in the future?

I'm saying you could be gaining short term happiness, but long term failure, so you shouldn't focus on one reason to buy a console. Obviously you should be confident they will continue to produce those exclusives you look forward to as well (which should be assumed when this is your decision in buying).

And like you said, this is opinion. It all depends what you care about... people could buy a PS4 / XB1 and then something ridiculous like them going out of business could happen, who knows. So you can't place all conerns on future state, either. It's just an overall view of the package you receive, though.

I would argue you're making a decision on playing mainly games you've been able to play previously (if that isn't apparent by now). Unfortunately we haven't seen any *real* innovation yet. So if that was my *sole* deciding factor on which system to buy, I'm not convinced one way or the other.

Ultimately though, I would never tell you which to buy.

 

[smackababy]

On steam you can gift someone a game. But that person just has to have steam. No 30 day friend rule. But steam has a lot of sales, sometimes their prices are decent if you haven't been paying attention and realize they dropped prices after a couple months.

You can only gift games that haven't been claimed yet. You can't play a game and then gift it after 10 hours of play. You can buy a game and gift it, or claim the license. This is no different than how this system works. I can buy an Xbox One game, not use it, and give it to whomever I please.

And Steam sales are great, but outside of that, they aren't the amazing price points people want to claim. GTA 4 right now for the 360 is $15 on Amazon, it is $20 on Steam. Outside of their sales, they have prices that are similar to most other places. Skyrim is the exact same price on Xbox as it is on Steam, normal and legendary edition. And these games are top sellers. Sure, they have great deals on games, but GTA 4 at more than the Xbox normal price is still in the top 50 best sellers on Steam.

 

[exdeath]

For me this is about the future of consumer rights as it relates to IP and DD and the greed of companies suddenly feeling they have a right to devalue consumer purchases and double dip indefinitely when they never could before and when no other non IP industry can do it.

They could never devalue and double dip like that for the past 50 years yet still got to be a multibillion dollar industry despite used markets and pirates. Why is it so important now all of the sudden to devalue consumers purchases and double dip everything everywhere non stop?

I ordered a PS4 immediately in order to send a message to the industry. Nothing more.

I don't care if it sits in its box for 6 months before any games I want come out.

Really has nothing to do with Xbox vs PS for me all, this is all principles.

 

[smackababy]

I'm saying you could be gaining short term happiness, but long term failure, so you shouldn't focus on one reason to buy a console. Obviously you should be confident they will continue to produce those exclusives you look forward to as well (which should be assumed when this is your decision in buying).

And like you said, this is opinion. It all depends what you care about... people could buy a PS4 / XB1 and then something ridiculous like them going out of business could happen, who knows. So you can't place all conerns on future state, either. It's just an overall view of the package you receive, though.

I would argue you're making a decision on playing mainly games you've been able to play previously (if that isn't apparent by now). Unfortunately we haven't seen any *real* innovation yet. So if that was my *sole* deciding factor on which system to buy, I'm not convinced one way or the other.

Ultimately though, I would never tell you which to buy.

What long term failure? That I got to play games available only on the Xbox One? Even if the console fails completely in 2 years and MS shuts off the servers, every exclusive I played in those 2 years I would miss out on entirely if I hadn't purchased the Xbox.

And playing games I've been able to play previously? Where previously could I play Halo 5? Or Forza 5? Or Dead Rising 3? And implying you can't innovate with a sequel is rather silly. Ever played any of the Ultima series? Yeah, I could have skipped Ultima 7 because "I'd been able to play it before", but I would have missed out on innovation.

 

[Tweak155]

What long term failure? That I got to play games available only on the Xbox One? Even if the console fails completely in 2 years and MS shuts off the servers, every exclusive I played in those 2 years I would miss out on entirely if I hadn't purchased the Xbox.

And playing games I've been able to play previously? Where previously could I play Halo 5? Or Forza 5? Or Dead Rising 3? And implying you can't innovate with a sequel is rather silly. Ever played any of the Ultima series? Yeah, I could have skipped Ultima 7 because "I'd been able to play it before", but I would have missed out on innovation.

While I can only explain so much to a single person, it is interesting you chose to use a completely different game not in the exclusive lineup to make your point.

Like I said, ultimately it is up to you. You can try and make your point, just as I have tried to make mine.

 

[American Gunner]

I'm saying you could be gaining short term happiness, but long term failure, so you shouldn't focus on one reason to buy a console. Obviously you should be confident they will continue to produce those exclusives you look forward to as well (which should be assumed when this is your decision in buying).

And like you said, this is opinion. It all depends what you care about... people could buy a PS4 / XB1 and then something ridiculous like them going out of business could happen, who knows. So you can't place all conerns on future state, either. It's just an overall view of the package you receive, though.

I would argue you're making a decision on playing mainly games you've been able to play previously (if that isn't apparent by now). Unfortunately we haven't seen any *real* innovation yet. So if that was my *sole* deciding factor on which system to buy, I'm not convinced one way or the other.

Ultimately though, I would never tell you which to buy.

I understand what you are saying here, but 98% of games that come out are multiplatform games, so even if the 1st party games drop off, you will still have a ton of games that you can play on the One.

 

[Tweak155]

I understand what you are saying here, but 98% of games that come out are multiplatform games, so even if the 1st party games drop off, you will still have a ton of games that you can play on the One.

Which has nothing to do with the "argument" (read: opinions that go back and forth) when the reasoning to buy the console is for exclusives <instead of the other console>.

 

[smackababy]

While I can only explain so much to a single person, it is interesting you chose to use a completely different game not in the exclusive lineup to make your point.

Like I said, ultimately it is up to you. You can try and make your point, just as I have tried to make mine.

My point is a series that has a ton of sequels had innovation, even later in the series. Whether you want to accept that or not is up to you.

Your point is refuted and moot. I don't understand the short sightedness in buying an Xbox One for games I want to play and can't anywhere else. MS has given me reason to want their console, because they have shown me what is coming. Now, is it really prudent to believe these games won't come? No. Sony, on the other hand, showed me nothing I want that will only be available on their console. Now, does that mean they won't have exclusives I do want? No, which is why I am also buying a PS4. I know they will have exclusives eventually. But at launch, the Xbox One lineup (which is really all that matters) trumps the PS4s, ignoring cross platform games.

 

[purbeast0]

Which has nothing to do with the "argument" (read: opinions that go back and forth) when the reasoning to buy the console is for exclusives.

you are really grasping for straws.

pretend there is no ps4.

someone who purchases xbox1 will have plenty of games to play in the next 5-7 years.

you are just coming off as someone who can only like one or the other.

 

[Tweak155]

My point is a series that has a ton of sequels had innovation, even later in the series. Whether you want to accept that or not is up to you.

Your point is refuted and moot. I don't understand the short sightedness in buying an Xbox One for games I want to play and can't anywhere else. MS has given me reason to want their console, because they have shown me what is coming. Now, is it really prudent to believe these games won't come? No. Sony, on the other hand, showed me nothing I want that will only be available on their console. Now, does that mean they won't have exclusives I do want? No, which is why I am also buying a PS4. I know they will have exclusives eventually. But at launch, the Xbox One lineup (which is really all that matters) trumps the PS4s, ignoring cross platform games.

you are really grasping for straws.

pretend there is no ps4.

someone who purchases xbox1 will have plenty of games to play in the next 5-7 years.

you are just coming off as someone who can only like one or the other.

Perhaps you both need to be reminded of the original quote where this argument spawned from:

PS4 won't have Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, Halo, Forza. And you don't know if any of those are timed exclusives. You are just guessing. Dead Rising was only released on the Xbox 360; nothing else. What does Sony have? A bunch of indie games I can get on Steam for $5 each? No thanks. GT6 isn't even going to be on the PS4. Drive Club? GT5 looks better than that game. MS also has a better controller, a better online service (based on current offerings), uses a better streaming service, and has fantasy football stats. That might not be a feature you will use, but I will. And a lot of other people will as well. NFL.com and ESPN fantasy integration is a big deal. UFC is another huge deal.

This is clearly arguing to buy one console INSTEAD of the other. You're adding in buying both, or buying one and ignoring the other.

If you want to jump in on an argument you should have a firm grasp of the argument at hand. Clearly you do not, or your reasoning / logic skills are subpar.

 

[jonks]

So no renting or sharing, and if my internet goes out again like it did for 4 days over and through last weekend, no gaming. Hm. No thanks.

 

[jonks]

Trust me, if Sony Pictures could charge you per view for that movie, they would.

Ironic example, given that the Sony (via SCOTUS) is the reason we can rent or record anything today.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I have both a PS3 and 360. I've enjoyed exclusives on both of them.

smackbaby is correct on both points: sequels can innovate, and if a console has exclusives that you want that's a good reason to buy it despite its higher cost, lower performance, abusive DRM and bludgeoning of puppies.

We buy these things to play games. So far the only X1 exclusive I want (Titanfall) will be on PCs so I have no reason to get the X1. But if there was a Crackdown 3 that was more like 1 than 2 I might open my wallet too.

I'm not pre-ordering either console. Show me the games and I'll buy either or both. The PS4 is much better in the abstract, but for me it's games first, principle second.

 

[purbeast0]

Perhaps you both need to be reminded of the original quote where this argument spawned from:



This is clearly arguing to buy one console INSTEAD of the other. You're adding in buying both, or buying one and ignoring the other.

If you want to jump in on an argument you should have a firm grasp of the argument at hand. Clearly you do not, or your reasoning / logic skills are subpar.

well go look at what he quoted when he posted that.

now if we're going on games only, at launch time, it would be hard for someone to convince me that ps4 would be a better choice than x1, games only. sure it's opinion, but ps4 hardly even has any exclusives.

 

[Tweak155]

smackbaby is correct on both points: sequels can innovate, and if a console has exclusives that you want that's a good reason to buy it despite its higher cost, lower performance, abusive DRM and bludgeoning of puppies.

Another person who didn't follow the argument, shocker. I never argued sequels couldn't innovate, and I never argued a console having exclusives is not a good reason to buy.

 

[Tweak155]

well go look at what he quoted when he posted that.

I did.

 

[AMDZen]

PS4 won't have Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, Halo, Forza. And you don't know if any of those are timed exclusives. You are just guessing. Dead Rising was only released on the Xbox 360; nothing else. What does Sony have? A bunch of indie games I can get on Steam for $5 each? No thanks. GT6 isn't even going to be on the PS4. Drive Club? GT5 looks better than that game. MS also has a better controller, a better online service (based on current offerings), uses a better streaming service, and has fantasy football stats. That might not be a feature you will use, but I will. And a lot of other people will as well. NFL.com and ESPN fantasy integration is a big deal. UFC is another huge deal.

This is incorrect any way because Dead Rising and Dead Rising 2 came to the PC eventually. I can reasonably assume DR3 will too. Gears of War also was released on PC eventually.

So those aren't exclusive.

God of war games are indie games? Color me shocked. God of War has never come out on PC.

PS4 has just as many exclusives as Xbone or even more, and personal preference does play a roll but I don't need fantasy integration, that is what my phone is for while watching the game. I don't need it to use real estate on my screen.

The only thing Xbone has going for it is Killer instinct for me any way, Halo was good - I've had enough of it and don't need more. God of War games are better in every way to the 3rd person exclusives on Xbox IMO.

 

[purbeast0]

well it's obvious you are trying to "win" rather than have a discussion.

so i will concede YOU WIN THE INTERNETS FOR TODAY!

now let's all move on and continue discussing the console.

 

[Nemesis13]

So who on here is actually buying a X1.

 

[purbeast0]

This is incorrect any way because Dead Rising and Dead Rising 2 came to the PC eventually. I can reasonably assume DR3 will too. Gears of War also was released on PC eventually.

So those aren't exclusive.

God of War has never come out on PC.

PS4 has just as many exclusives as Xbone or even more, and personal preference does play a roll but I don't need fantasy integration, that is what my phone is for while watching the game. I don't need it to use real estate on my screen.

The only thing Xbone has going for it is Killer instinct for me any way, Halo was good - I've had enough of it and don't need more. God of War games are better in every way to the 3rd person exclusives on Xbox IMO.

just for anyone reading this thread who hasn't been following the ps4/x1 stuff, the bolded is 100% false for launch. just don't want misinformation spreading.

 

[Tweak155]

well go look at what he quoted when he posted that.

now if we're going on games only, at launch time, it would be hard for someone to convince me that ps4 would be a better choice than x1, games only. sure it's opinion, but ps4 hardly even has any exclusives.

I see you added to your post.

And here we have a reasonable argument, thank you. I've stated several times it is based on opinion and that I was only playing devil's advocate (this I only stated once ). I would address the bolded with my previous responses to the original quote.

 

[purbeast0]

So who on here is actually buying a X1.

im like 95% all in at this point.

i was 100% all in when ki was announced, then like 50% all in when it was announced f2p, but after watching many videos on it yesterday and getting a lot more information on it, i'm back up to 95%.

but all the ms drm/policies/kinect is still making me change my mind often lol, so i'm really not 100% sure yet.

i'm sure as launch comes though and i see more killer instinct stuff that i will be all in.

 

[Tweak155]

well it's obvious you are trying to "win" rather than have a discussion.

so i will concede YOU WIN THE INTERNETS FOR TODAY!

now let's all move on and continue discussing the console.

I honestly couldn't care less about "winning an argument", especially on the internet. Unlike a lot of posters, I'm not out to troll. I like to try and share other viewpoints and possibly expand a view on something.

I take nothing personal on here, as I'm sure you don't either. I've seen quite a few of your 30k posts

 

[exdeath]

Dead Rising is what got me to get a 360.

Then I bought all cross-platform games for it because I already had it, then picked up a PS3 later for exclusives.

As we end this generation and I go back and scramble to find out of print exclusives for PS3 I started regretting getting a 360 first for one game. PS3 has a TON more variety in types of games, particularly niche RPG and adventure stuff I enjoy. Its still too far and few after being spoiled by SNES-PS2, but I MIGHT not have been as bitter at this gen if I'd started off on PS3 instead of 360.

I missed Tales of Graces f among others. PS3 was clearly the console for me, too bad I didn't see it earlier. Fortuneately for me I won't be missing the launch euphoria for some of the best games on the system at he end of it's life (Ni no Kuni and The Last if Us alone would get me to buy a PS3 if I didn't have one).

Don't get me wrong, I prefer 360 for "shooters" like Fallout 3 and Borderlands and superior online play.

I guess what I'm saying is anti consumer practices aside, I'd still be once bitten twice shy repeating history with buying a Xbox first for Dead Rising again :awe:

 

[AMDZen]

just for anyone reading this thread who hasn't been following the ps4/x1 stuff, the bolded is 100% false for launch. just don't want misinformation spreading.

For launch isn't what I was arguing. There will be exclusives on both eventually. And because of the IP's on both sides, you have a pretty good idea of what those will be.