The Official Xbox One Thread

[tential]

Has anyone confirmed that all games will run on dedicated servers next gen? I know it has been tossed around, but I am hoping that it is a fact.

Well, they said they upgraded from 15,000 servers to 300,000 servers....

That's a shiit ton of servers lol.

 

[AstroManLuca]

This may sound bad, but it makes sense. If I purchased a UFC fight for home viewing, and broadcast it to 50 people, I am breaking the UFC license agreement and the licenses for broadcasts like that are very expensive. I can understand content providers and studios wanting this technology to be in place for things like this. Places like Hooters and BWW don't just pay the $60 or whatever to show a UFC fight. They pay a lot more because they are collecting money based on the broadcast of said event.

I understand but I would not trust anyone involved to set a "reasonable" limit on the number of people, should this technology actually be implemented. More likely they would find ways to fleece anyone who has more than four people watching something at a time.

The technology itself and its potential uses are scary; even scarier is that the best defense the fanboys can come up with is that they "probably won't use it." I have zero trust in MS, the MPAA, or any other big media corporation.

The good thing is that no one is being forced to buy an Xbox One or anything else with that kind of technology. It starts to get real scary when you think about the possibility of TVs all having built-in webcams. Now that's some 1984-type shit.

 

[smackababy]

I understand but I would not trust anyone involved to set a "reasonable" limit on the number of people, should this technology actually be implemented. More likely they would find ways to fleece anyone who has more than four people watching something at a time.

The technology itself and its potential uses are scary; even scarier is that the best defense the fanboys can come up with is that they "probably won't use it." I have zero trust in MS, the MPAA, or any other big media corporation.

The good thing is that no one is being forced to buy an Xbox One or anything else with that kind of technology. It starts to get real scary when you think about the possibility of TVs all having built-in webcams. Now that's some 1984-type shit.

I have no trust in the MPAA to try and use this to block more than say 4 people from viewing a movie at a given time. The reality is, you can turn you kinect around or block its camera. Are they going to block content if there is no one visible in the kinect FOV?

 

[AstroManLuca]

I have no trust in the MPAA to try and use this to block more than say 4 people from viewing a movie at a given time. The reality is, you can turn you kinect around or block its camera. Are they going to block content if there is no one visible in the kinect FOV?

There's nothing stopping them from doing so. They've already said the Xbone won't start without the Kinect hooked up. They could just as easily have a message pop up saying the camera is obscured that won't go away until you uncover it (much like how you will get the "controller disconnected" message if one of your controllers gets shut off in the middle of a game).

I suppose you could try to angle the camera to only get one part of a room, but as advanced as software is getting these days, they'd probably catch on to that too.

I'm not saying they'll necessarily do any of these things, but there's nothing stopping them.

 

[Dari]

Microsoft isn't EA. Cloud services is a core competency which they actually make money off of with Windows Azure. They are probably only 2nd to Amazon in this department. You think gamers get pissed when servers are down, try talking to billion dollar business where it costs them REAL money when there's an outage. That's why they guarantee 5 nines of uptime in a year (5.26 minutes of downtime a year)

Riiiiiiiight...That must be why Amazon's EC2 goes down all the time. 5 9s my ass

 

[purbeast0]

This may sound bad, but it makes sense. If I purchased a UFC fight for home viewing, and broadcast it to 50 people, I am breaking the UFC license agreement and the licenses for broadcasts like that are very expensive. I can understand content providers and studios wanting this technology to be in place for things like this. Places like Hooters and BWW don't just pay the $60 or whatever to show a UFC fight. They pay a lot more because they are collecting money based on the broadcast of said event.

most people speed every day on the road - does that mean they should pay fines for every time they speed, and if they don't, there car stops working?

 

[smackababy]

most people speed every day on the road - does that mean they should pay fines for every time they speed, and if they don't, there car stops working?

Yes, ideally. There should be consequences to breaking the law. Sadly, we don't have the technology or manpower to enforce such measures and people can get away with it.

And until you pay your outstanding fines, you should not be allowed to drive. We suspend drivers licenses to discourage drivers, who break the law, to discourage them from driving, which would then be illegal and get them thrown in jail.

 

[purbeast0]

Yes, ideally. There should be consequences to breaking the law. Sadly, we don't have the technology or manpower to enforce such measures and people can get away with it.

And until you pay your outstanding fines, you should not be allowed to drive. We suspend drivers licenses to discourage drivers, who break the law, to discourage them from driving, which would then be illegal and get them thrown in jail.

wow if you really feel that way, then i don't know what to say and will agree to disagree lol. no way in hell do we need more nanny stating and zero tolerance crap in this country. but i don't want to get into a political debate, this is about games!

even some governments disagree with you and some areas have REMOVED speed cameras because they are nothing but a money grab and don't prevent anything. if anything, they make it more dangerous because everyone is driving fast then everyone screeches on their brakes where the camera is, then speeds back up.

 

[gothamhunter]

More *confirmed* rumors on how the used game market would work, but it sounds logical:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-used-game-rumor/

 

[dagamer34]

Riiiiiiiight...That must be why Amazon's EC2 goes down all the time. 5 9s my ass

You never hear about Windows Azure or Rackspace going down. I said Amazon was the largest, I didn't say they were the best at it. :whiste:

 

[purbeast0]

More *confirmed* rumors on how the used game market would work, but it sounds logical:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-used-game-rumor/

that is one of the most retarded things i've ever read. i almost want to boycot xbox1 due to principle of all these stupid ass decisions they have made.

 

[AstroManLuca]

that is one of the most retarded things i've ever read. i almost want to boycot xbox1 due to principle of all these stupid ass decisions they have made.

I've already decided I won't get one because I don't want to put a spy camera in my living room. But really, I had already decided against getting an MS console again due to 1. paid online, 2. poor hardware quality, and 3. having grown out of console games.

 

[smackababy]

So, it works exactly as I stated. You can sell your game and it removes your license, opening it up for another customer to obtain it for whatever the cost. And the developer gets a cut, as does MS for running the service. I see no problems with this. So long as you are buying from a store like Gamestop, you get the used game no problem.

The real question is how exactly these licenses are activated by the user. If it is some kind of disc based, no user involvement method, I am all for it; if I have to enter a code for every game, I am against it.


I also wonder if there will be a way to manually deactivate the game for private party sales.

 

[purbeast0]

So, it works exactly as I stated. You can sell your game and it removes your license, opening it up for another customer to obtain it for whatever the cost. And the developer gets a cut, as does MS for running the service. I see no problems with this. So long as you are buying from a store like Gamestop, you get the used game no problem.

The real question is how exactly these licenses are activated by the user. If it is some kind of disc based, no user involvement method, I am all for it; if I have to enter a code for every game, I am against it.


I also wonder if there will be a way to manually deactivate the game for private party sales.

yeah when i buy/sell used games, it is outside of a retailer 90% of the time.

oh yeah, and this still does't really say if/how it will work with rental services.

 

[gothamhunter]

yeah when i buy/sell used games, it is outside of a retailer 90% of the time.

oh yeah, and this still does't really say if/how it will work with rental services.

Well, if it does work like that, rental would probably be easy. You rent it, they send you the disc, you plop it in, it syncs to your account, you send it back, they remove it from your account.

 

[smackababy]

yeah when i buy/sell used games, it is outside of a retailer 90% of the time.

oh yeah, and this still does't really say if/how it will work with rental services.

If there is a way to remove the license from your account manually, private party sales just have an extra step, similar to cell phones being freed up from your account.

I imagine rentals will just have to deactivate the license when the disc is returned. Doesn't seem that hard.

 

[Dari]

You never hear about Windows Azure or Rackspace going down. I said Amazon was the largest, I didn't say they were the best at it. :whiste:

I only hear about Amazon because we use Netflix in my house and when it goes down, I'm the one that gets asked what happened. Then I go online only to find out it's Amazon's fault. I don't know about Microsoft or Rackspace because I may not use their services at all...

 

[purbeast0]

Well, if it does work like that, rental would probably be easy. You rent it, they send you the disc, you plop it in, it syncs to your account, you send it back, they remove it from your account.

who is "they" ? redbox is a machine, there is no people involved in the rental process. unless you are now saying that redbox is going to have to make software to do all that in order to rent games. again, losing the convenience that people love about consoles.

If there is a way to remove the license from your account manually, private party sales just have an extra step, similar to cell phones being freed up from your account.

I imagine rentals will just have to deactivate the license when the disc is returned. Doesn't seem that hard.

more convenience lost with the console experience. and go tell redbox that it isn't that hard to start changing licenses with games.

and that would now mean what, redbox needs my xbox live account and info so they can transfer licenses to/from my account? same with gamestop, they now also need my gamertag info?

 

[vi edit]

Rental wise, why can't blockbuster or gamefly just integrate into the market place and offer DRM'd downloads of games where it's got a built in expiration date? Kinda like how library books and Kindles work.

 

[smackababy]

who is "they" ? redbox is a machine, there is no people involved in the rental process. unless you are now saying that redbox is going to have to make software to do all that in order to rent games. again, losing the convenience that people love about consoles.



more convenience lost with the console experience. and go tell redbox that it isn't that hard to start changing licenses with games.

and that would now mean what, redbox needs my xbox live account and info so they can transfer licenses to/from my account? same with gamestop, they now also need my gamertag info?

I think it is easier than you are assuming. Redbox scans a barcode on each package right? An extra DB column for license can be populated. Upon receiving a game turn in, they just run a method to ping MS's servers with [license] is deactviated. From the way it sounds MS just looks for that license and deactivates it for whatever account / accounts it is tied to. Yes, this is an extra step for Redbox, but it isn't that hard, especially if MS releases and API. The customers have no idea and don't need to know.

 

[purbeast0]

Rental wise, why can't blockbuster or gamefly just integrate into the market place and offer DRM'd downloads of games where it's got a built in expiration date? Kinda like how library books and Kindles work.

most game rental places you aren't limited to a set amount of time with the game.

 

[purbeast0]

I think it is easier than you are assuming. Redbox scans a barcode on each package right? An extra DB column for license can be populated. Upon receiving a game turn in, they just run a method to ping MS's servers with [license] is deactviated. From the way it sounds MS just looks for that license and deactivates it for whatever account / accounts it is tied to. Yes, this is an extra step for Redbox, but it isn't that hard, especially if MS releases and API. The customers have no idea and don't need to know.

hah being a developer i can't believe you are claiming that it is so simple. you of all people should know nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

and what about now giving out my gamertag to redbox? again, all this shit is totally inconvenient.

 

[smackababy]

most game rental places you aren't limited to a set amount of time with the game.

And my proposed solution for Redbox works for those as well. They have the license for each game, same as they have other information saved about it. I suppose I am thinking in a more OO world, but I doubt Redbox is using Cobol.

 

[Dari]

most game rental places you aren't limited to a set amount of time with the game.

Microsoft may just cut out the middle-man altogether and do their own rental service since everything has to go through them anyway. Downloading a game may be the only hiccup. Or Microsoft may setup their own Red-like kiosks. I smell a lawsuit.

 

[smackababy]

hah being a developer i can't believe you are claiming that it is so simple. you of all people should know nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

and what about now giving out my gamertag to redbox? again, all this shit is totally inconvenient.

You would never need to give anything to Redbox. They just tell MS that the license is being deactivated and MS does that on their servers. I don't know how Redbox keeps their database but I imagine a stored procedure to trigger a method when a title is checked in isn't that hard.

And I understand his might have some kinks when it is first rolling out (like all software) but I can't possibly be that hard or expensive to set up a simple solution. MS is already (from what it sounds like) taking care of the actually account based activation / deactivation. You just have to send them the license and they do the rest.