The Official Xbox One Thread

[American Gunner]

yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS

Sony one time put root kit stuff on their discs. If Sony loved gamers so much and didn't care about money, why did they have to put multiplayer behind a pay wall. If you guessed it's because they want money, then you are right. Face the facts, none of these companies personally give a shit about you, they just want to market their stuff to you in a way that makes you feel warm and fuzzy so you go and spend money on their products.

 

[Tweak155]

yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS

Uh oh...

 

[smackababy]

I wish you guys would stop responding (and quoting) this nonsensical troll already. He has proven he knows nothing about economics, business, and Valve / Sony.

He made his account today. All his posts are in this thread. (Just a guess, but I'm fairly certain). He is a troll.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

Sony one time put root kit stuff on their discs. If Sony loved gamers so much and didn't care about money, why did they have to put multiplayer behind a pay wall. If you guessed it's because they want money, then you are right. Face the facts, none of these companies personally give a shit about you, they just want to market their stuff to you in a way that makes you feel warm and fuzzy so you go and spend money on their products.

PS Plus gives you free games on Vita, PS4, ps3. Also, PSN was crap but they claim to have invested into it so only fair to charge like MS do

 

[nOd3N1AL]

I wish you guys would stop responding (and quoting) this nonsensical troll already. He has proven he knows nothing about economics, business, and Valve / Sony.

He made his account today. All his posts are in this thread. (Just a guess, but I'm fairly certain). He is a troll.

if you actually bothered to read and think about what i say you'd realise I'm not trolling

 

[American Gunner]

I wish you guys would stop responding (and quoting) this nonsensical troll already. He has proven he knows nothing about economics, business, and Valve / Sony.

He made his account today. All his posts are in this thread. (Just a guess, but I'm fairly certain). He is a troll.

You're right, and I will do like you said. It just gets old listening to morons talk about how one company doesn't give a shit about their customers while another does, just because their marketing has been better.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

You're right, and I will do like you said. It just gets old listening to morons talk about how one company doesn't give a shit about their customers while another does, just because their marketing has been better.

fair point. It all boils down to marketing message i suppose. But on 360 i still need Gold to use YouTube and Internet Explorer. What gives?!

 

[American Gunner]

To the people that have KI, do you have to buy the $20 version to unlock acheivements? I just have the free version since I'm not really into fighters and I did a bunch of dojo lessons, but didn't unlock and points for it.

 

[purbeast0]

i'm not sure about that, but there is only 1 achiement for dojo mode i thought, and it's completing all 32 of them.

 

[American Gunner]

I thought there were different ones. One for 5, 10, 20, and all 32.

 

[Skel]

It's product tying. The whole point of a console is to offer better value for money than PC gaming. Kinect is unnecessary and shouldn't be forced. If i don't need to have it plugged in, why should i be forced to buy it? Also, most real gamers know it can never truly work for proper games. I'm really disappointed with Micro$oft. Most gamers don't want to shout at their TV or wave their arms around, they want to play games!

I've been loyal to MS and use their products. Windows, Xbox 360, Xbox Live, Outlook, SkyDrive, Windows Phone etc. But i think a lot of people have felt betrayed. The Xbone is selling out because of low supply rather than high demand. It's also a substitute for the PS4; which is in greater demand due to its lower price but better hardware, PS Plus, F2P games etc.

Xbox One is clearly aimed at the US market, not globally. Kinect only works well with a selection of languages and dialects. My point is, Xbone is clearly a work in progress, and even MS themselves are struggling. Everyone seems to have forgotten about what happened earlier this year. It's a rushed product with future potential, but i think that's why it's selling so well; for what it COULD be rather than what it can offer now

yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS

All these posts read like someone read the anti-MS troll handbook and went straight down the numbers in it. I have to admit, I find this crap really funny, nothing at all to do with reality or much of anything other than some troll attempting to bait the Pro-MS crowd into a go. I really want to know if this is someone's second account or someone who was banned

 

[smackababy]

All these posts read like someone read the anti-MS troll handbook and went straight down the numbers in it. I have to admit, I find this crap really funny, nothing at all to do with reality or much of anything other than some troll attempting to bait the Pro-MS crowd into a go. I really want to know if this is someone's second account or someone who was banned

There's no denying that. *rimshot*


Disclaimer: I hate that that particular sound is called a rimshot, because it is not, in fact, a rimshot.

 

[Fulle]

The troll accidentally brought up a decent point on the Kinect.

Including Kinect with the Xbox One was a smart move by MS, since it helps improve their margins a bit, so that they lose slightly less on each Xbox One sold. This also helped make sure that Kinect gets a more healthy install base, and is less likely to be abandoned by developers, even if MS decides to release a Kinect-less Xbox One in the future.

It seemed like a smart move, overall, that didn't effect demand in a meaningful way... since demand still far outstrips supply.

Meanwhile, Sony's margins aren't quite as good as MS's, by around 10 dollars or so, because they didn't include a camera, and their PS4 camera is going to have a weaker initial install base.

I don't think it'll hurt the PS4 a great deal, since it would still make business sense to port successful Kinect games to the PS4 (since doing so should be pretty inexpensive to do), but less devs will want to take a risk on the PS4 Camera as a primary target, due to Sony's missed opportunity to get a better camera install base.

While everyone likes to hate on Kinect, including it was the stronger initial business decision. MS can always release a Kinect-less Xbox One if their numbers eventually show the price of bundling a Kinect negatively effecting sales... which shouldn't happen for a whiiile.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Exactly. You still buy it even if you don't explicitly WANT Kinect; thus paying a higher price than you need to. MS taking full advantage because they will still sell all their units produced. In the long run, they'd benefit from Kinectless Xbone. But in my view, MS doesn't really care about its fans, it just wants to maximize profit at any cost.

If MS really didn't care, they wouldn't have reversed the DRM/no used games/no game trading stuff they originally intended to have.

 

[Larnz]

One thing that really annoys me this gen on both systems is how expensive digital game downloads are... Not sure how it is in the US but here in NZ currently on both PS4 and XBO digital game purchases are more expensive than walking down to a shop and buying the retail disc by about 20%. Digital should be 70% the cost of retail IMO.

 

[Fulle]

It's not in MS or Sony's best interest to undermine retail, when they're in a fight that relies on retailers to help market their hardware.

That's why digital game sales are where they're at right now.

 

[American Gunner]

One thing that really annoys me this gen on both systems is how expensive digital game downloads are... Not sure how it is in the US but here in NZ currently on both PS4 and XBO digital game purchases are more expensive than walking down to a shop and buying the retail disc by about 20%. Digital should be 70% the cost of retail IMO.

This is why I'm not going digital. At least with the disc I can sell it or trade games with a friend to try other stuff out. The only thing I am missing out on is being able to sit on my couch and switch out games, but that isn't worth it to me.

 

[cmdrdredd]

One thing that really annoys me this gen on both systems is how expensive digital game downloads are... Not sure how it is in the US but here in NZ currently on both PS4 and XBO digital game purchases are more expensive than walking down to a shop and buying the retail disc by about 20%. Digital should be 70% the cost of retail IMO.

In the US, digital games cost the same as retail and when a retail game gets a price drop the same is not always true of the digital version.

yeah i know. But Sony and Valve achieve the same result without unethical practices. They're not out of touch with the community unlike MS

Heh...Valve achieved success by forcing you to use their online DRM to play Half-Life 2. Then they persuaded companies to release their games through that service. Basically if you wanted to play their highly anticipated game you were forced to use Steam and it was terrible at that time. They've had almost a decade to update it since then and it works well. That doesn't mean they are doing anything because they care. Why do you think they are doing a steamOS? It's because they want to control everything about game distribution in their own ecosystem, not because they care about gamers. They want to abandon DirectX. How is that good for gamers when almost every game out there uses DirectX? They are afraid Microsoft will offer competition through Windows 8 so they fear monger about it and troll the internet telling everyone MS is evil. I for one do not buy into that crap.


On the whole Kinect thing, if they remove it...you will lose a lot of features. The system won't turn on all your electronics, you couldn't mute your TV through the xbox system, you couldn't auto log on to Xbox Live (it doesn't work without it), you couldn't scan QR codes to redeem special content and stuff through the store and with no keyboard support it would be painful having to enter multiple codes that are 24 characters long.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

If MS really didn't care, they wouldn't have reversed the DRM/no used games/no game trading stuff they originally intended to have.

They did that because nobody would have bought it otherwise. If it was up to MS, they would have kept it.

 

[Larnz]

This is why I'm not going digital. At least with the disc I can sell it or trade games with a friend to try other stuff out. The only thing I am missing out on is being able to sit on my couch and switch out games, but that isn't worth it to me.

Yeah but with MS's original plan for the XBO both game trading and second hand selling of digital games were available. It was the people crying foul at not having physical copies that keep the digital prices high imo. A 100% digital world would be so much better for gamers just not for the retail outlets.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

In the US, digital games cost the same as retail and when a retail game gets a price drop the same is not always true of the digital version.



Heh...Valve achieved success by forcing you to use their online DRM to play Half-Life 2. Then they persuaded companies to release their games through that service. Basically if you wanted to play their highly anticipated game you were forced to use Steam and it was terrible at that time. They've had almost a decade to update it since then and it works well. That doesn't mean they are doing anything because they care. Why do you think they are doing a steamOS? It's because they want to control everything about game distribution in their own ecosystem, not because they care about gamers. They want to abandon DirectX. How is that good for gamers when almost every game out there uses DirectX? They are afraid Microsoft will offer competition through Windows 8 so they fear monger about it and troll the internet telling everyone MS is evil. I for one do not buy into that crap.


On the whole Kinect thing, if they remove it...you will lose a lot of features. The system won't turn on all your electronics, you couldn't mute your TV through the xbox system, you couldn't auto log on to Xbox Live (it doesn't work without it), you couldn't scan QR codes to redeem special content and stuff through the store and with no keyboard support it would be painful having to enter multiple codes that are 24 characters long.

You make a good point. But Valve promote multi-platform games. SteamOS is basically to persuade people away from Microsoft's API to open source, but tbh that's not a bad thing. Microsoft abuses its market power far more imo

 

[cmdrdredd]

They did that because nobody would have bought it otherwise. If it was up to MS, they would have kept it.

Nobody? There are people right on this forum who were going to get one, even way back in June. On other forums there are hundreds of posts from back in June with people defending it and with real interest in the XB1 system even with the stuff I disliked and am glad was removed.

The numbers as far as pre-orders weren't doing as well as PS4 but it was still going to sell. Dont kid yourself.

You make a good point. But Valve promote multi-platform games. SteamOS is basically to persuade people away from Microsoft's API to open source, but tbh that's not a bad thing. Microsoft abuses its market power far more imo

Even John Carmack has said that OpenGL is worse than DirectX in it's latest versions now. So it's not better in any way and in fact will segment the market. You'll get one of three outcomes. Either nobody bothers with OpenGL and continue to support DirectX because it has the largest potential userbase and all current engines are built for DirectX (Frostbyte, CryEngine, UE3/4), you have bad ports to the SteamOS, or only some games appear and the library of games between systems is split.

All three are terrible.

 

[American Gunner]

Yeah but with MS's original plan for the XBO both game trading and second hand selling of digital games were available. It was the people crying foul at not having physical copies that keep the digital prices high imo. A 100% digital world would be so much better for gamers just not for the retail outlets.

Oh, I agree 100%. The gaming landscape will change with our without our approval. People are quick to say that MS won't do sales like steam does, but we won't know until we get that digital console.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

Nobody? There are people right on this forum who were going to get one, even way back in June. On other forums there are hundreds of posts from back in June with people defending it and with real interest in the XB1 system even with the stuff I disliked and am glad was removed.

The numbers as far as pre-orders weren't doing as well as PS4 but it was still going to sell. Dont kid yourself.

A lot less would have bought it. That's why. I don't LITERALLY mean nobody.

 

[nOd3N1AL]

Nobody can deny that Windows and DirectX offer the best tools for PC gaming. But it wouldn't surprise me if MS were to pull off a dick move with this. They'll find a way.