believing in a creator versus evolution is okay in my book. however, all life and humans forming in 6 days (with 7th day as rest) is NOT okay in my book. I have been stuck on this issue since i was a little kid and i could read.
I forgot where I read it but the 6 days of creation were no literal 24 hour days but they actually were thousands of years or something like that.
You are on ignorant person. "All I am trying to say is that Creationism, is NOT DOCTRINE for most Christians."
I say it's a good post. You're right, the sect of (extreme) creationism is not doctrine for most christians.
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The belief that life was created out of thin air is not at all a stretch - becuase whether it was a human 5000 years ago or a one cell organism millions of years ago there was a finite point at which the earth went from having no life to finally having it. I will say I've never personally met a christian who doesn't believe in Evolution, and there is no reason to think that just because evolution is true you suddenly can't believe - and be consistent in your beliefs - that a super powerful force triggered the initial creation.
Here is a quote from my college alum message board that addresses the situation. I attended a conservative southern baptist college.
I also believe that it is literal however don?t believe that the Bible teaches that the day were 24 hours long. The word in the Hebrew is Yom and it has 3 literal definitions: roughly 12 hours (sunrise to sunset), 24 hours or a finite but unspecified epoch of time. I believe that the 3rd definition is the only reasonable conclusion when all of the text is considered. So I believe God created everything in 6 literal ?yoms?.
I also believe that it is literal however don?t believe that the Bible teaches that the day were 24 hours long. The word in the Hebrew is Yom and it has 3 literal definitions: roughly 12 hours (sunrise to sunset), 24 hours or a finite but unspecified epoch of time. I believe that the 3rd definition is the only reasonable conclusion when all of the text is considered. So I believe God created everything in 6 literal ?yoms?.
Yeah except even that theory is being shot down by the Christian version of the internal right-wing.
Protestant Christianity as a whole generally believes that the universe and all that is contained therein was created in six literal, 24-hour days.
And even if this was a talk about origins, how would evolutionists explain that supermolecule at the beginning? They don't, of course, because "that's a question for philosophers and their ilk". So the "Where-did-God-come-from-huh-huh-huh?" question is irrelevant anyways. Just putting forth a point here.
I'd also like to note that millions Christians over the course of the life of the Catholic church as it is today have come upon a consensus that the Catholic Church as a whole has corrupted Biblical doctrine, so much that they would die for their faith (which rested upon a wholly tangible object).
Ergo, the opinion of the Pope shouldn't really be thought to have so much clout.
Frankly, though, as a personal side note - I have never seen any defense for Catholic doctrine (not Catholic tradition, but Catholic doctrine) that can actually be supported from, the Bible. Their Apocrypha, sure, but that's a book they put together, so... =/
Ergo, the opinion of the Pope shouldn't really be thought to have so much clout.
Frankly, though, as a personal side note - I have never seen any defense for Catholic doctrine (not Catholic tradition, but Catholic doctrine) that can actually be supported from, the Bible. Their Apocrypha, sure, but that's a book they put together, so... =/
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So millions of Christians don't like what millions of other Christians think. Gee - what a shocker. That, however, does not mean that either side is right. If you've never seen a defense of Catholic doctrine then you either haven't looked, or denied what was presented. Oh and BTW, not only did the Catholics put together the Apocrypha, but they put together the Bible too.
It's so tiring seeing non-Catholic "Christians" put down Catholics (and vice versa). Just do your own thing and relax.
wow, you can tell the guy who wrote that article is not up with most science. Anyone who knows any evolutionary theory knows lamarkian "inheritance of acquired characters" is not even in the same realm as Darwinian theories. Lamark's theories are generally thought to hold no water by anyone in the scientific community. Lamark's theory went like this, A human works out and takes steroids to get big muscles, those muscles will then be transfered to his children.
Sound dumb to anyone else? The flaw is apparent I think.
Gosh, why can't someone educated on evolution write these christian article on evolution?
Sound dumb to anyone else? The flaw is apparent I think.
Gosh, why can't someone educated on evolution write these christian article on evolution?
a wise man once said: oh the world don't move to the beat of just one drum; what may be right for you, may not be right for some.
good advice.
good advice.
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Because those people have brains.
Many parts of the Bible were never meant to be taken literally, esp. the creation stories.
<sarcasm> I have to tell you, it's a good thing the Pope is closer to God than other humans. Otherwise his opinion might have no special meaning... </sarcasm>
Seriously though, people take what the Pope says as being direct from God, but the Pope is just another man! He *might* have special insight from God, but there's no call to assume he *does,* just because he's the Pope.
<more sarcasm>It's also a good thing that every member of each church believes exactly the same thing. Otherwise your broad generalizations might not hold water.... *cough* *cough* </more sarcasm>
Turtles...quite.
For those of you that believe, answer me these points:
Religion is a faith system and therefore demands that it can never be proved (otherwise it wouldn't be faith). So where did the idea come from in the first place? Surely the only answer is that man created god? That'd explain why there's so bloody many of 'em?
How can any god be the one true god (you may as well believe in thor, isis or queztacotal)?
If god is all powerfull, can he make rock so heavy he can't lift it? (classic)
Someone earlier said that even if you take the scientific view point, life had to be created at some point. Speaking as a physisist and chemist I disagree entirely. I don't view the chemical processes that take place inside a rock any different from those inside the body. They're simply more numerous and more complex.
The term "life" is just a word humans use to catorgorise. When did the first self replicating molecule appear on earth? About 3.5 billion years ago, but there is no need to think that it is was particularly special and had to be created. Think of this: sand organised into a complex from is capable of outwitting one of the smartest men on the planet (kasparov). SAND! (OK, OK, I know it was the programing but still, the idea amuses me).
A few people have also said that bible was never meant to be taken literally. The church seemed to think so, otherwise why (until very recently in historical terms) were people burnt alive if they disputed it?? It's only since science has proved that a lot of it is $hite that the church has had to reconsider it's position.
If you choose to believe in something that you will never have any evidence for, why bother trying to apply rational thought to any situation? Why try to understand anything? You could believe that cheese created the universe.
Having said all that, I do think science is a belief system also. I'll just never understand why pick religion over it (no-it's not possible to marry them!).
For those of you that believe, answer me these points:
Religion is a faith system and therefore demands that it can never be proved (otherwise it wouldn't be faith). So where did the idea come from in the first place? Surely the only answer is that man created god? That'd explain why there's so bloody many of 'em?
How can any god be the one true god (you may as well believe in thor, isis or queztacotal)?
If god is all powerfull, can he make rock so heavy he can't lift it? (classic)
Someone earlier said that even if you take the scientific view point, life had to be created at some point. Speaking as a physisist and chemist I disagree entirely. I don't view the chemical processes that take place inside a rock any different from those inside the body. They're simply more numerous and more complex.
The term "life" is just a word humans use to catorgorise. When did the first self replicating molecule appear on earth? About 3.5 billion years ago, but there is no need to think that it is was particularly special and had to be created. Think of this: sand organised into a complex from is capable of outwitting one of the smartest men on the planet (kasparov). SAND! (OK, OK, I know it was the programing but still, the idea amuses me).
A few people have also said that bible was never meant to be taken literally. The church seemed to think so, otherwise why (until very recently in historical terms) were people burnt alive if they disputed it?? It's only since science has proved that a lot of it is $hite that the church has had to reconsider it's position.
If you choose to believe in something that you will never have any evidence for, why bother trying to apply rational thought to any situation? Why try to understand anything? You could believe that cheese created the universe.
Having said all that, I do think science is a belief system also. I'll just never understand why pick religion over it (no-it's not possible to marry them!).
the ones that raised me do
the skeptics annotated bible Skeptics Annotated Bible is a good read though. the contradictions page should be interesting and yell-worthy of a good number of christians. Read 2 Contradictory Creation accounts for more controversy-causing fun.
Being in the south, with a number of baptist churches everywhere, im particularly fond of the verses advocating alcohol consumption.....so many fatass jerks around here will hog a pizza buffet but wouldnt touch wine with steak if their life depended on it.
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Originally posted by: Mallow
wow, you can tell the guy who wrote that article is not up with most science. Anyone who knows any evolutionary theory knows lamarkian "inheritance of acquired characters" is not even in the same realm as Darwinian theories. Lamark's theories are generally thought to hold no water by anyone in the scientific community. Lamark's theory went like this, A human works out and takes steroids to get big muscles, those muscles will then be transfered to his children.
Sound dumb to anyone else? The flaw is apparent I think.
Gosh, why can't someone educated on evolution write these christian article on evolution?
most creationist writers know they don't have real science on their side. the religious zealots consider anything done to save souls legitimate. lying to flocks who generally know little about science is rather easy.
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