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The official R580 in January thread (?????)

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Originally posted by: RobertR1
There is no reason why Ati shouldn't release the R580. With nvidia bumping the pricing cap to $649 for the 7800GTX 512MB (in limited release, so far), Ati could easily justify a $749 MSRP if the card does live up to all it's hype.

Nvidia can't make 7800GTX 512MB cards fast enough at even a street price of $699! Don't think Ati won't take notice of this. Consumers set pricing caps and MSRP, despite what you make believe.

that makes sense.

also it would make sense if ati quietly changed from R520 chips to R580 chips for the x1800 line if the R580 chips are indeed less expensive to manufacture (and due to economies of scale it might be if the whole production were shifted to R580). keep the clocks the same and disable some pipes or whatever to keep the fill rate the same. that way you wouldn't really be pissing off current customers, you'd have something that would compete with nvidia's $750 card, and you'd save yourself some dough.

can you imagine the unlock/overclock frenzy that would go on if that happened? GTO2 redux.
 
Since this is all nothing more then speculative techno-masturbation, another round of video card "OMG our new death star is gonna get youuuu!", I could predict it won't be out to october next year and will set your house on fire if you don't have a liquid nitrogen cooling system, and have as much reasonable basis as any other speculation in this thread, neh?
 
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Genx87
If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.


How is the X1800XT anything remotely similar to the nV30 aside from being late to market?

1. Both have a whining dustbuster
2. 2 slot
3. Replaced quickly with a better product
 
Originally posted by: Trollo
1. Both have a whining dustbuster
so does the 7800 Ultra
2. 2 slot
so is the 7800 Ultra
3. Replaced quickly with a better product
so was the 7800GTX, replaced by the Ultra

So that means the G70 is NV30 no. 2

See I can try to make up stuff to, and draw a connection where there is none. FFS the R580 isn't even out.
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Genx87
If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.


How is the X1800XT anything remotely similar to the nV30 aside from being late to market?

1. Both have a whining dustbuster
2. 2 slot
3. Replaced quickly with a better product


Believe what you must but if there was no 7800GTX 512MB card, the x1800xt would be the card of choice for consumers who want the best card out.

The dual slot, price, availability arguements go out the window since the 7800GTX 512MB card exhibits the same traits. That would a "fair and balanced" statement.


 
Comparing the 5800U fan and the fan on the X1800XT for sound is nothing short of foolishness. Comparing the X1800XT to the 5800U is flat out ignorant.
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing the 5800U fan and the fan on the X1800XT for sound is nothing short of foolishness. Comparing the X1800XT to the 5800U is flat out ignorant.

QFT ATI r520 is not geting owned by nvida
 
You know the NV30 comparisons are pretty good. The g70 is an upgraded nv30. Nvidia had problems with NV30's new architecture when it came out, ATI had some problems with their new architecture when it came out. Most people were saying r520 was r420+ which it clearly is not.

Unlike NV30 though ATI, though late, is not underperforming and is not clearly cheating at games to get ahead. That cheating thing is what killed NVidia in that round, before that people proclaimed them a tie.

Relearn your histories. ANyway I suspect ATI has a very nice architecture in place now and r580 should be a mature and high performing solution.
 
Originally posted by: nts
Originally posted by: Trollo
1. Both have a whining dustbuster
so does the 7800 Ultra

Poor NTS. Too immature to not resort to childish name calling, too uninformed to post accurate information. I'll help you, so next time you won't embarass yourself!
7800Ultra noise levels
Take our word for it; the fan is silent at this first level. The second level kicks in when the GPU gets hot enough, but even this level is quiet. As the chart shows, we, with great difficulty, measured a 1 to 2 dB difference in sound between the first and second fan speed levels; therefore, the second level appeared to produce sound levels of 51 or 52 dB.
LOL- notice the difference between 51-52dB under load, compared to the 59dB of the X1800XT?
What did HardOCP have to say about that, I wonder?????
X1800XT noise levels
However, the second fan speed level was very noticeable; as the GPU?s temperature rose, this second level kicked in and we noticed a constant whine coming from the fan. In fact, it got pretty distracting after a long while of gaming since our test system sits right beside us as we play.

So it looks like I was right about the whining dustbuster on the X1800XT, and you were wrong. A 7-8dB difference is HUGE.

so was the 7800GTX, replaced by the Ultra

So that means the G70 is NV30 no. 2

See I can try to make up stuff to, and draw a connection where there is none. FFS the R580 isn't even out.
Offering a refresh part 5 months later is a bit different than replacing your whole design two months later, but keep on making stuff up if you like. 😉
 
Originally posted by: RobertR1

Believe what you must but if there was no 7800GTX 512MB card, the x1800xt would be the card of choice for consumers who want the best card out.

The dual slot, price, availability arguements go out the window since the 7800GTX 512MB card exhibits the same traits. That would a "fair and balanced" statement.

I don't know RoberR1- some people hate noise and that is one loud, screaming dustbuster on the X1800XT!

I've heard the high pitched whine is what makes it REALLY annoying!

A lot of people would probably settle for a couple less fps, $150 in their pocket, and a much quieter card that didn't drive their dog from their homes in agony.

Now, the REAL question is: Will anyone on the planet be able to stand TWO of those dustbusters in Crossfire configuration?

5150, could we get a link to that guy cleaning his driveway with one? 😉
 
Originally posted by: Rollo


5150, could we get a link to that guy cleaning his driveway with one? 😉


Haha sure: http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9604/elwrk2fo.jpg

Anyway, I disagree that the card is similar to the nV30 for the reasons I stated above although after looking at those HardOCP db values, its easy to see why people consider the R520 a loud card. Moot point for someone like me though since I use water cooling but it would be a pain for those that rely on air cooling.
 
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Rollo


5150, could we get a link to that guy cleaning his driveway with one? 😉


Haha sure: http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9604/elwrk2fo.jpg

Anyway, I disagree that the card is similar to the nV30 for the reasons I stated above although after looking at those HardOCP db values, its easy to see why people consider the R520 a loud card. Moot point for someone like me though since I use water cooling but it would be a pain for those that rely on air cooling.

LMFAO!
That picture is priceless!
 
Rollo ? You would'nt be worried that come January the 512 GTX is not gonna be the fastest card ? And you will have nothing to troll about are you? Is that what your thinking ? Just asking a simple question here. Because as much as you try to get people to go pro Nvidia, the true Ati fans just ignore you. I was actually thinking about getting the GTX in Jan myself. But I dont know now until I see the numbers....
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: RobertR1

Believe what you must but if there was no 7800GTX 512MB card, the x1800xt would be the card of choice for consumers who want the best card out.

The dual slot, price, availability arguements go out the window since the 7800GTX 512MB card exhibits the same traits. That would a "fair and balanced" statement.

I don't know RoberR1- some people hate noise and that is one loud, screaming dustbuster on the X1800XT!

I've heard the high pitched whine is what makes it REALLY annoying!

A lot of people would probably settle for a couple less fps, $150 in their pocket, and a much quieter card that didn't drive their dog from their homes in agony.

Now, the REAL question is: Will anyone on the planet be able to stand TWO of those dustbusters in Crossfire configuration?

5150, could we get a link to that guy cleaning his driveway with one? 😉


I don't think we have to worry about seeing master cards anytime soon 🙂 That's a damn funny pic, btw!
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing the 5800U fan and the fan on the X1800XT for sound is nothing short of foolishness. Comparing the X1800XT to the 5800U is flat out ignorant.

1. Both late to market
2. Both slower in DX9 than their competitor
3. Both have high pitched whine with huge noisey fan
4. Both cost a lot

Seems to be some similarities to me?
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't know RoberR1- some people hate noise and that is one loud, screaming dustbuster on the X1800XT!

I've heard the high pitched whine is what makes it REALLY annoying!

A lot of people would probably settle for a couple less fps, $150 in their pocket, and a much quieter card that didn't drive their dog from their homes in agony.

Now, the REAL question is: Will anyone on the planet be able to stand TWO of those dustbusters in Crossfire configuration?

5150, could we get a link to that guy cleaning his driveway with one? 😉

Just because you reapeat the same FUD over and over, doesnt make it true.

So you see one test, and then thats it? Hard themselves conclude that the card they have is not retail. It doesnt even have overdrive for them to check temps with. Yet you didnt quote that part. Lets not twist the article to help your agenda. Since its basically the same cooler as the X850XT/PE, lets take a look at what they had to say about it.

Our overall opinion is that the new X850XT-PE cooler is not loud if used in a properly exhausted case.

Air is drawn in from inside the case and exhausted out the rear of the case. This is a logical airflow design as most have the cold fresh air being pulled in from the front of the case, and being exhausted out the back. If your video card is down close to your front fans pulling in cold air, the cold air will get pulled over the video card as well.

B3D does tests too, lets take a look. X1800XT's noise is the same as the X1800XL, and X850XT/PE when in use. And even 3db quieter than the X850XT/PE at idle. db when in use? 69. Then in their 512mb review, they do the same test. The 512mb is the same db as the 256 GTX, and 1db quieter than the 6800U in use. And a lot quieter than the 6800U at idle. db when in use? 71.

What does that tell us? By B3D's testing, the X1800XT is quieter than both GTX's, by a hair. They also show it using less power.

As I said, comparing the difference in the 5800U and the 9700 Pro to the X1800XT and the GTX is nothing short of foolishness. Its not even close. The general view of the XT and GTX db difference is pretty small, and goes either way depending on which review you go by. The difference between the 5800U and the 9700 Pro is undeniable. Its not even close to being the same. Saying otherwise is not only wrong, but flat out lying. Case closed.

The X1800XT heatsink is virtually the same as the X850XT/PE's. I had one of these myself. It was VERY loud on bootup, for about 2-3 seconds. Then it quieted down, and mine never went up a notch when playing any game. I manually raise the fan speed with ATi tool to see how far it would overclock, but on its own, it never raised the fan speed.

Originally posted by: RolloOffering a refresh part 5 months later is a bit different than replacing your whole design two months later, but keep on making stuff up if you like.

Come again? How is the R580 a whole new design? Do you have some facts to back this up, or just spreading ignorance?

Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Comparing the 5800U fan and the fan on the X1800XT for sound is nothing short of foolishness. Comparing the X1800XT to the 5800U is flat out ignorant.

1. Both late to market
2. Both slower in DX9 than their competitor
3. Both have high pitched whine with huge noisey fan
4. Both cost a lot

Seems to be some similarities to me?

1. Yes.
2. Not true.
3. Again, not true.
4. So does any card when it first comes out.

You can compare any card, to another if you try hard enough.

Your comparisons are laughable, really. The 5800U fan was easily many times over louder than the 9700 Pro. That is not the case with the XT and GTX's of today. The 5800U had HORRIBLE AA/AF performance, and the AA was very supar compared to the 9700 Pro's. Not to mention much slower performance in DX9 games, such as Farcry. The XT is not slower than the 256mb GTX, in fact, its faster.

I know you wont accept the truth, this is the last post from me on this subject. Another ATi thread, that you felt like you had to thread crap. Good job.
 
Like I said above....I was thinking about getting the GTX...but your post's just influences me not to. I read your post's on a daily basis. And just so I dont have to hear you say, See....I told you the GTX was quiter, or some other bs, I would rather buy an R580 with a cold air intake....then listen to your post's. Your probably gonna say then...dont read them. Well, im ahead on that front too...Cause, from now on, I will skip the old guy with glasses. You do give good info. But the shot's at ati is uncalled for. They are good when its new info. But every thread, you say, it's late, it's loud, who cares.
 
Rollo Stop comparing the 5800U to the X1800XT Only thing they have in common was that they were late come on we know that you are a fan boy but give it a break.
 
Originally posted by: x80064
Rollo ? You would'nt be worried that come January the 512 GTX is not gonna be the fastest card ? And you will have nothing to troll about are you? Is that what your thinking ? Just asking a simple question here. Because as much as you try to get people to go pro Nvidia, the true Ati fans just ignore you. I was actually thinking about getting the GTX in Jan myself. But I dont know now until I see the numbers....

LOL- why would I care if the 512GTX is the fastest card in January? Not like I'm selling them?
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Just because you reapeat the same FUD over and over, doesnt make it true.

So you see one test, and then thats it? Hard themselves conclude that the card they have is not retail.
Nope, I read the same thing in my Computer Gaming World magazine- so at least two reviewers say "It's a dustbuster!"
BTW- with a whole freaking YEAR after tape out to be working on this card, you'd think ATI would have noticed "Holy crap- that hair dryer sound is annoying! This is a $600 card, lets put a damn Silencer on it!"

It doesnt even have overdrive for them to check temps with. Yet you didnt quote that part. Lets not twist the article to help your agenda. Since its basically the same cooler as the X850XT/PE, lets take a look at what they had to say about it.
Link to info it is the same cooler? Didn't think so. 😉

B3D does tests too, lets take a look. X1800XT's noise is the same as the X1800XL, and X850XT/PE when in use. And even 3db quieter than the X850XT/PE at idle. db when in use? 69. Then in their 512mb review, they do the same test. The 512mb is the same db as the 256 GTX, and 1db quieter than the 6800U in use. And a lot quieter than the 6800U at idle. db when in use? 71.

What does that tell us? By B3D's testing, the X1800XT is quieter than both GTX's, by a hair. They also show it using less power.
Still way louder than it's competition- the 512 GTX! What's with the FUD Ackmed?

As I said, comparing the difference in the 5800U and the 9700 Pro to the X1800XT and the GTX is nothing short of foolishness. Its not even close. The general view of the XT and GTX db difference is pretty small, and goes either way depending on which review you go by. The difference between the 5800U and the 9700 Pro is undeniable. Its not even close to being the same. Saying otherwise is not only wrong, but flat out lying. Case closed.
Case closed for you maybe, the rest of us like well engineered video cards! :laugh:

The X1800XT heatsink is virtually the same as the X850XT/PE's.
Link to info the HSF is the same? Lol- didn't think so? D-U-S-T-B-U-S-T-E-R!

I had one of these myself. It was VERY loud on bootup, for about 2-3 seconds. Then it quieted down, and mine never went up a notch when playing any game. I manually raise the fan speed with ATi tool to see how far it would overclock, but on its own, it never raised the fan speed.
You had a X850, this is a X1800. The reviews say the fan spins up constantly in gameplay and angers the player!

1. Both late to market
2. Both slower in DX9 than their competitor
3. Both have high pitched whine with huge noisey fan
4. Both cost a lot

Seems to be some similarities to me?

1. Yes.
2. Not true.
3. Again, not true.
4. So does any card when it first comes out. [/quote]
1.OK
2. The X1800XT is faster at DX9 than the 512 GTX? Link? Didn't think so.
3. True according to the people who have them, not true to you, who wishes it wasn't. I believe the people that have reviewed them!
4.OK

Your comparisons are laughable, really.[ The 5800U fan was easily many times over louder than the 9700 Pro. That is not the case with the XT and GTX's of today.
51dB no whine is a LOT nicer than 59dB with whine Ackmed.

The 5800U had HORRIBLE AA/AF performance, and the AA was very supar compared to the 9700 Pro's.
Oooops- nV30s AF was superior to R300s.

Not to mention much slower performance in DX9 games, such as Farcry.
So what? They both came out over a year before Far Cry, and both SUCK at it. Sucking less is a hollow victory Ackmed.

The XT is not slower than the 256mb GTX, in fact, its faster.
No foolin'? A card that came out almost half a year later and costs 33% more is a little faster?!?! Those ATI wizards! LOL

I know you wont accept the truth, this is the last post from me on this subject. Another ATi thread, that you felt like you had to thread crap. Good job.
Put the smack down on your PR, so good job indeed.

 
5150- I'm going to send that link to ATI- that guy should be on the box and HSF. Way cooler than chrome bulls and Ruby.

I think this image would be EXCEPTIONAL as the box art for the X1800XT. Captures the spirit of the card, beats a chrome bull by far.

My message to the webmaster at ATI, sent with link to the awesome picture. 5150, you da man. Shoot me your home address in a PM, and I'll ship you some beer that will make you forget video cards exist. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't know RoberR1- some people hate noise and that is one loud, screaming dustbuster on the X1800XT!

I've heard the high pitched whine is what makes it REALLY annoying!

This is the same guy that downplayed the noise of the 5800 Ultra to no end when it was released.

If noise is such an issue for you, then buy a Silencer! I had one on my X800 Pro (ATI Silencer 4) and X850XT (ATI Silencer 5) before; I've got one on my 7800GT now (NV Silencer 5).

At this present time there is no Silencer for the X1800XT, but once one is released, it will make one of the sticking points of the card a nonissue to those who buy the Silencer.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
it would make sense if ati quietly changed from R520 chips to R580 chips for the x1800 line if the R580 chips are indeed less expensive to manufacture (and due to economies of scale it might be if the whole production were shifted to R580).

Believe me there will be nothing quiet about the R580 launch. ATI is obviously starting up the rumor mill again. They're picking up right where the R520 rumor mill left off. The only difference is that most of us are too smart to listen to it. My apologies for my earlier posts in this thread; I'm tempted to edit them and delete everything. 🙁
 
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