The official R580 in January thread (?????)

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Rollo
First off I'll say I like Dave a lot, and always have. He's a knowledgeable guy that I used to debate a lot back in the good old days at 3dfx Gamers.

Second, I'll say that what Dave is best at these days is getting inside info from ATI, that he basically pays for with a pro-ATI slant to his reviews.

Third, I'd say I don't think there is anything wrong with that, we need people who are connected at ATI to get us info.

WTH, You should just admit that you are wrong instead of starting to attack sites (Beyond3D) that don't agree with your views.

And no I don't agree with your view of Dave being biased.

EDIT: Dave doesn't even do direct comparisons of hardware, those temps were taken from two different reviews...

Were you the one who said the 512mb GTX has a loud cooler? :Q
The quadro cooler is probably one of the best/coolest/quiet stock coolers you can find.

LOL- no he's the one who proved the 512 GTX has the loudest cooler by linking to ATI fansite B3d.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Rollo
LOL- no he's the one who proved the 512 GTX has the loudest cooler by linking to ATI fansite B3d.

:beer: Keep outdoing yourself. (in the wrong way)

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: Rollo
LOL- no he's the one who proved the 512 GTX has the loudest cooler by linking to ATI fansite B3d.

No Rollo I wasn't the one that posted the links. Maybe you should read the reviews and the posts next time (so you wont confuse the values).

And no Rollo, Beyond3D is not ATi fan site just because they dont agree with your opinion. Take a look at the links, the posted values were taken from two different reviews. Dave does not do direct comparisons, only reviews hardware.

Originally posted by: crazydingo
:beer:Keep outdoing yourself. (in the wrong way)

QFT

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ElFenix
it would make sense if ati quietly changed from R520 chips to R580 chips for the x1800 line if the R580 chips are indeed less expensive to manufacture (and due to economies of scale it might be if the whole production were shifted to R580).

Believe me there will be nothing quiet about the R580 launch. ATI is obviously starting up the rumor mill again. They're picking up right where the R520 rumor mill left off. The only difference is that most of us are too smart to listen to it. My apologies for my earlier posts in this thread; I'm tempted to edit them and delete everything.

It's a lot easier for ATI to crank out rumors than cards Sickbeast. When you got no game, all you can do is talk smack.

is that your excuse?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ElFenix
it would make sense if ati quietly changed from R520 chips to R580 chips for the x1800 line if the R580 chips are indeed less expensive to manufacture (and due to economies of scale it might be if the whole production were shifted to R580).

Believe me there will be nothing quiet about the R580 launch. ATI is obviously starting up the rumor mill again. They're picking up right where the R520 rumor mill left off. The only difference is that most of us are too smart to listen to it. My apologies for my earlier posts in this thread; I'm tempted to edit them and delete everything.

i mean, the r580 specific products (x1900 or whatever) would be trumpted heavily, but while they're doing that they also quietly switch the r520 chips out from the x1800 line as well.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Rollo
LOL- no he's the one who proved the 512 GTX has the loudest cooler by linking to ATI fansite B3d.

No Rollo I wasn't the one that posted the links. Maybe you should read the reviews and the posts next time (so you wont confuse the values).

And no Rollo, Beyond3D is not ATi fan site just because they dont agree with your opinion. Take a look at the links, the posted values were taken from two different reviews. Dave does not do direct comparisons, only reviews hardware.

1. Dave lost his most famous writer this year, who posted he left due to the ATI bias of the site?
2. Daves vendor relations are with ATI, and not many doubt or mind that
3. You didn't bother to address my condemnation of Dave's methodology and post links to another site that show the 6800U/7800GTX 256/7800GTX 512 all at the same sound level?

Originally posted by: crazydingo
:beer:Keep outdoing yourself. (in the wrong way)

QFT

[/quote]
I think you and the crazydingo make a nice pair. What was your name before you were banned?

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: Rollo
1. Dave lost his most famous writer this year, who posted he left due to the ATI bias of the site?

Fine. Prove it, find the source/claim/resignation or whatever it might be.

2. Daves vendor relations are with ATI, and not many doubt or mind that

I dont know the exact relations he has with vendors but that wouldn't automatically makes him biased.

3. You didn't bother to address my condemnation of Dave's methodology and post links to another site that show the 6800U/7800GTX 256/7800GTX 512 all at the same sound level?

Until you addressed what was wrong with Beyond3D's (besides crying ATi fansite and bias) I didn't see the need to.

I think you and the crazydingo make a nice pair. What was your name before you were banned?

I have never been banned from the forums.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I think you and the crazydingo make a nice pair. What was your name before you were banned?

Insults, accusations coming from a guy who supposedly never resorts to it .. :roll:

 

[Cooler]

come on rollo stop feeding the fire here.

 

[Ackmed]

You were proven wrong rollo. Just stop posting and trying to ruin another thread.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

nobody cant stop rollo, and he knows it, look at his shiny grin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Rollo
1. Dave lost his most famous writer this year, who posted he left due to the ATI bias of the site?

Fine. Prove it, find the source/claim/resignation or whatever it might be.

Wow, you must really new to this, most of us here remember this. Here you go:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1558314&enterthread=y&arctab=y
The linked threads have been removed, but this thread contained the first snippet of Rev's rant:

IN MY OPINION (and it's a serious one), NVIDIA has done more to advance PC 3D graphics than any other company. By a mile.

ATI, however, has seen one avenue to reduce this -- by being more friendly and accessible to media outlets (like Beyond3D). Does anyone think Dave, for example, is getting preferential treatment from ATI (for whatever -- valid [according to ATI] or otherwise reasons)?

There was a lot more, and the general consensus was that Reverend quit due to a difference of philosophy with Dave, site owner.

2. Daves vendor relations are with ATI, and not many doubt or mind that

I dont know the exact relations he has with vendors but that wouldn't automatically makes him biased.

Let's jsut say it "flavors" both his posts and his reviews. His recent assertion that the 6800U, 256 GTX, and 512GTX are all within 1dB of each other for noise when no other website in the world would post something that far off base is evidence of that.

Again, I like Dave and I like his site, but when go there you have to expect he's going to put ATI in the best possible light because that is his preferred vendor.

3. You didn't bother to address my condemnation of Dave's methodology and post links to another site that show the 6800U/7800GTX 256/7800GTX 512 all at the same sound level?

Until you addressed what was wrong with Beyond3D's (besides crying ATi fansite and bias) I didn't see the need to.[/quote]
I knew you couldn't and making up some reason why you won't doesn't excuse you from the job if you expect us to believe B3ds posts about noise levels. Either their testing is flawed, or they just plain want to make nV look bad, but they're the ONLY place on the web with the stones to post something as ludicrous as these cards with totally different cooling solutions perform within 1dB of each other.

You saying "Well, you have to prove he's biased before I disbelieve him" is a cowards way out, the retreat of someone trolling rather than interested in real information.

I think you and the crazydingo make a nice pair. What was your name before you were banned?

I have never been banned from the forums.

Good for you.