The official R580 in January thread (?????)

[Polish3d]

That other thread degenerated a bit..

So what's the deal?

R580 in January or Feburary... plausible?? Anyone with links to news?

Trying to decide on the 512 GTX vs wait

Thread locked thanks to trolling by Rollo

 

[5150Joker]

I really don't think an R580 release to retailers in January or February is plausible. It may be paper launched around that time but we probably wouldn't see availability until May.

 

[Avalon]

We can hope for January. That would be neat.

 

[SynthDude2001]

There's always something better around the corner. If you want a 512MB GTX, you shouldn't have any problems reselling it a few months down the line if the R580 does appear...plus since you already have a regular GTX and are thinking about the 512, I'm going to make a stretch and assume that the money (and possibly upgrading frequently) isn't an issue in your case

 

[Wreckage]

A R580 in January would kill the R520 after only 2 months. That would not make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Polish3d]

It's not really a big issue, I'm a student but I have a decent job... but if Jan. were the date, I wouldn't buy the 512 at all.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Frackal
It's not really a big issue, I'm a student but I have a decent job... but if Jan. were the date, I wouldn't buy the 512 at all.

I wouldn't worry about the R580 right now. The R520 was just released and ATi wouldn't risk angering their customers by releasing a refresh a month and a half later. They may introduce a PE version of the XT in limited quantities (just like how the 512 GTX is very limited right now) but that's about it. Since you already have a GTX, do what me and Ackmed are going to do, wait on the guys that are upgrading to 512 GTX's to sell their 256 mb cards and buy that and go SLI.

 

[Munky]

I guess it depends on how much more performance Ati can wring our of the r520 with newer drivers and a speed bump (xt pe). If I were Ati, I wouldnt release the r580 until spring, unless it was not profitable to keep the r520 around. Of course, they could announce it in January and have it available in March, but that kind of paper launch wouldnt go well with the public, after the successful launch of the 7800.

 

[nts]

IMO it is very likely we will see the R580 in January.

On the original timeline the R520 was supposed to launch early summer (before or same time as G70). The R515 would follow in August and the RV530 in October/November with the R580 a December/January.

The latest rumors that I have heard was that the problem in the R520/530 did not affect the R580 so it apparently is still on schedule. I have seen multiple sources confirm working, pre-production boards.

The R600 and G80 are supposedly launching at the end of 2006 (September?) with Windows Vista. It makes more sense to put more time inbetween the R600 and R580. Instead of launching the R580 and then launching the R600 a few months later which basically doubles its speed...

And launching the R580 will not kill off the R520, they will coexist. The R580 will probably take the $649 pricepoint.

 

[Genx87]

If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87
If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.

How is the X1800XT anything remotely similar to the nV30 aside from being late to market?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: nts
IMO it is very likely we will see the R580 in January.

On the original timeline the R520 was supposed to launch early summer (before or same time as G70). The R515 would follow in August and the RV530 in October/November with the R580 a December/January.

The latest rumors that I have heard was that the problem in the R520/530 did not affect the R580 so it apparently is still on schedule. I have seen multiple sources confirm working, pre-production boards.

The R600 and G80 are supposedly launching at the end of 2006 (September?) with Windows Vista. It makes more sense to put more time inbetween the R600 and R580. Instead of launching the R580 and then launching the R600 a few months later which basically doubles its speed...

And launching the R580 will not kill off the R520, they will coexist. The R580 will probably take the $649 pricepoint.

Interesting analysis.

 

[Munky]

I suppose the r580 and the r520 would be able to co-exist if Ati dropped the prices or the r520 accordingly. If the x1800xt sold for the same price as a 256 gtx does now, it would be a good deal.

 

[RobertR1]

There is no reason why Ati shouldn't release the R580. With nvidia bumping the pricing cap to $649 for the 7800GTX 512MB (in limited release, so far), Ati could easily justify a $749 MSRP if the card does live up to all it's hype.

Nvidia can't make 7800GTX 512MB cards fast enough at even a street price of $699! Don't think Ati won't take notice of this. Consumers set pricing caps and MSRP, despite what you make believe.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
A R580 in January would kill the R520 after only 2 months. That would not make a whole lot of sense.

The R580 is much cheaper to produce than the R520. R520 is being discontinued as of December, or so they say. January makes some sense if that is true; ATI needs a high end card that they can sell.

 

[TSS]

i'd think the R580 would be out in january, maybe even in quantity off the bat... if ati manages to avoid another paper launch, that would "show the world" they'd be capable of non-paper releases aswell. and, if it does beat the GTX 512, that would be some good publicity for ati which IMO they could use right about now. and the theory about putting more time between the R580 and R600 sounds solid enough.

im personally not too worried about the price... its supposed to launch after the holiday season, so demand will be a bit lower then the crazyness going on right now with the 512. i do hope its lower then 600 bucks. or drop to that level soon.

any speculations on the name of the thing yet? x1900 xt maybe?

 

[Reliant1]

Why would they take away sales from their new line by launching a new product in January? Releasing a whole new product line 2 months after your new line hit the market wouldn't make much sense.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The R580 is much cheaper to produce than the R520. R520 is being discontinued as of December, or so they say.

Source? Why would the R520 be discontinued...

any speculations on the name of the thing yet? x1900 xt maybe?

x1800 < [R580 name] < x2000

maybe x1850 if going by last generation

 

[nitromullet]

Hell yeah, bring the R580 card in Jan '06 that buries my SLI rig... I'll buy one

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The R580 is much cheaper to produce than the R520. R520 is being discontinued as of December, or so they say.

Source? Why would the R520 be discontinued...

any speculations on the name of the thing yet? x1900 xt maybe?

x1800 < [R580 name] < x2000

maybe x1850 if going by last generation

I don't remember. I read some interview somewhere where they said that the R580 was not impacted by the R520 delays and was actually ready to sell *before* the R520 was!

As to why it was discontinued, as I said before, the R520 is too expensive to produce. Have you seen that card? It's very long and is packed with intricate circuitry/chips. It looks more intricate than any computer component I've ever seen.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87
If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.

How is the X1800XT anything remotely similar to the nV30 aside from being late to market?

Hot, loud, late to market, under performed compared to expectations, and if it is knocked out by the R580 2 months after it is launched it will share that with the NV30 being replaced by the NV35 2 months after release.

 

[Rage187]

Maybe March, maybe.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87
If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.

How is the X1800XT anything remotely similar to the nV30 aside from being late to market?

Hot, loud, late to market, under performed compared to expectations, and if it is knocked out by the R580 2 months after it is launched it will share that with the NV30 being replaced by the NV35 2 months after release.

QFT

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87
If it shows up in Jan then the x1800XTs comparisons to the NV30 will be complete.

How is the X1800XT anything remotely similar to the nV30 aside from being late to market?

Hot, loud, late to market, under performed compared to expectations, and if it is knocked out by the R580 2 months after it is launched it will share that with the NV30 being replaced by the NV35 2 months after release.

It may have underperformed compared to some peoples unrealistic expectations but the facts are that it outperforms the 256 mb GTX in almost all benchmarks and is it's direct competitor. The nv30 had poor shader performance, it had a very loud fan, produced a lot of heat, had lower performance than 9700 pro and it was late to market. I wouldn't compare the X1800XT to the faliure that was nV30.

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Hot, loud,

Heat is same as 7800GTX

late to market, under performed compared to expectations,

Who's expectations? Are you referring to the inquirer's 32 pipe monster card that would be 300% more powerful then the X800...

Use high AA/AF and it runs close to (or beats) the GTX-512...

and if it is knocked out by the R580 2 months after it is launched it will share that with the NV30 being replaced by the NV35 2 months after release.

There is a huge difference here, NV35 was a huge architectural change. 128 bit bus move to 256 bit, Integer units replaced with floating point, etc. There were less than 100,000 5800 produced (cancelled pretty much same day, only one order sent).

This is NOT the case with the R520 and R580 (they will coexist), I dont understand why NVIDIA fanboys keep pushing the NV30 thing. Get over it, the NV30 (whole FX series) was a horrible failiur, nothing is going to change that.