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conjur

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: Parrotheader
And what miracles exactly was Gore going to pull out of his hat that would have our economy suddenly roaring back to life?
And what about the concept of the state of the economy lagging behind what a president does with the economic policy by about eight years? (gah, can't think straight tonight, but that's basically how I heard it stated; of course some are not going to like this because then they can't necessarily give Clinton the praise for the economy that was good during his terms).

That, and the 9/11 attacks have really taken their toll.

Travel by air goes down, car rentals drop, hotels are more vacant. That puts several very large companies into a huge loss of revenue. Car rentals going down means companies like Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc. are losing huge fleet sales. That causes layoffs and lowers revenue for automotive suppliers. People are spending less of their disposable income so sales of fast food go down (look at McDonald's stock dropping), department stores see drops in sales. Before you know it, every aspect of the American economy has taken a hit.

I don't think the Fed lowering the interest rate anymore is going to help. This war on Saddam may have the desired affect as it will set at ease the minds of many people who are afraid of the unknown.

Just a thought or two....
 

Chad

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I believe in Bush and in this cause. I'm proud of him with his fortitude and the way he is standing up and not caving under intense pressure. Doing evil is easy, doing the RIGHT THING is always hard. Stand strong Bush and I will pray for our valiant troops who are sacrificing so much for a principle... the principle of freedom.. which runs deep in our great country.

The French are grandstanding weanies with no backbone.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Chad
I believe in Bush and in this cause. I'm proud of him with his fortitude and the way he is standing up and not caving under intense pressure. Doing evil is easy, doing the RIGHT THING is always hard. Stand strong Bush and I will pray for our valiant troops who are sacrificing so much for a principle... the principle of freedom.. which runs deep in our great country.

The French are grandstanding weanies with no backbone.

Be careful, with that attitude you are liable to be labeled a "bandwagon patriot". //looks around for Red Dawn//
 

AAjax

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Regime Change!!!! Yeah...In the United States, I mean.


Bring it, but dont count on your French-Canadian brothers helping you to do it :p
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: 66FMC
Originally posted by: DarkKnight
Where would he go if he had left Iraq? Who would take him?

I think Saudi Arabia, Libya, or Syria would take him. There could be other countries also.

I think his leaving Iraq would be a bad thing. I mean what is he going to do? Retire? Play Golf?
Sure, O.J. needs a partner, they'd be 2 peas in a pod ;)
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: JSClark
Fast food is always hiring

Get it right, I'm a stop and shop boy!! :D

You realize the president has very little control over the economy right?

I've heard quite a few people say that the economy was suffering not only because of 9/11 but also because of Bush. I'm not officially an IT person (I do have some experience though), I'm a civil engineer, actually, going back to school for Computer Science soon. The Civil Engineering world is suffering just as bad as IT right now with jobs. I've sent out resume after resume and got denied time and time again. Why? Work has been slow. I also got laid off from my last 2 jobs due to workload. I know people that have been laid off in the IT world, and jobs are suffering there just as bad. What ever little control Bush supposedly has, he's not doing a good job IMO. I know one person can't do everything in one day, but I would like to hear something about the economy in one of Bush's speech at some point. Speaking of which, I did not see the speech tonight, I was busy packing and getting ready to move. Why am I moving? Because I haven't found a job yet...
rolleye.gif

Hey, I totally sympathize with you. Good luck in your job search. I hope you can land one soon. :)
 

Purgatory-Z

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Originally posted by: Chad
I believe in Bush and in this cause. I'm proud of him with his fortitude and the way he is standing up and not caving under intense pressure. Doing evil is easy, doing the RIGHT THING is always hard. Stand strong Bush and I will pray for our valiant troops who are sacrificing so much for a principle... the principle of freedom.. which runs deep in our great country.

The French are grandstanding weanies with no backbone.

^--Agreed on all points.


 

Led Zeppelin

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: dwell
Good speech. War is going to happen at this point. Stop bickering and support our troops.

Die. Die. Die.

Hag, I hope you're trying really hard to be this stupid, because I wouldn't want to believe that it comes this easy to you.
 

JSClark

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: JSClark
Fast food is always hiring

Get it right, I'm a stop and shop boy!! :D

You realize the president has very little control over the economy right?

I've heard quite a few people say that the economy was suffering not only because of 9/11 but also because of Bush. I'm not officially an IT person (I do have some experience though), I'm a civil engineer, actually, going back to school for Computer Science soon. The Civil Engineering world is suffering just as bad as IT right now with jobs. I've sent out resume after resume and got denied time and time again. Why? Work has been slow. I also got laid off from my last 2 jobs due to workload. I know people that have been laid off in the IT world, and jobs are suffering there just as bad. What ever little control Bush supposedly has, he's not doing a good job IMO. I know one person can't do everything in one day, but I would like to hear something about the economy in one of Bush's speech at some point. Speaking of which, I did not see the speech tonight, I was busy packing and getting ready to move. Why am I moving? Because I haven't found a job yet...
rolleye.gif

Hey, I totally sympathize with you. Good luck in your job search. I hope you can land one soon. :)

Thanks bro... Hopefully things will turn around. I DID get a job offer tonight for some civil engineering firm, we'll see what happens with that :)

 

Martin

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say what you will about clinton, but at least the guy could speak without making me wince. I saw a few comments on the newscast and I gotta say Bush is one of the worst orators ever!

As for the actual content of his speech, meh. Nothing I didn't expect or that I haven't heard before...
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: jumpr
He looks nervous and awkward up there but I pretty much agree with most of what he's saying.

I would hope that he is nervous. It shouldn't be an easy decision to make/wage war. I'm still trying to figure out why people wanted another UN resolution when 1441 provided all the legality needed.

Young men die because of the decisions of old men. (paraphrased)

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: dwell
Good speech. War is going to happen at this point. Stop bickering and support our troops.


Best quote in the whole thread. All this other noise is too much.
 

PrettyboyFloyd

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OK I have read the whole thread so far and I have a few things to say. In fact, I registered just to post this. First of all, I would like to hear from the anti-war people realistic alternatives to war that a body of elected officials with the responsibilty of protecting millions of citizens could possibly consider. But before anyone replies please read the rest of my post.

Keep in mind, persons with that responsibilty are require to base thier decisions on FACTS, not hopes, wishes, dreams, or idealisms.

Keep in mind the fact that Saddam has been caught several times with banned weapons he has claimed were not even there to begin with. By banned, I mean evidence of chemical and biological plants, and the long range missiles capable of delivering the said substances.

Keep in mind the fact that Saddam has dropped chemical and biological weapons on the Kurds, (who I have NEVER EVER heard ONE anti-war person speak up for ONCE in the years since Desert Storm).

Keep in mind Saddam took step #1 in the proccess to cripple the US, economically and militarily, by invading Kuwait and taking control of thier oil fields. If you think Saddam just wanted Kuwait, you need to get your head examined, because no other Arab nation had the ability, supplies, time, or manpower to field a military force capable of stopping him. The number one reason the U.N. actually pretended to have balls at the time was because the entire oil supply in the region, (at the time the fields the Russians discovered last year, or the year before were at the time unknown), was at high risk of being taken over, and controlled by, a force with 100% hostility to not just the US, but realisticaly and potentially, any country not in-line with Saddam's goals.

How many lies and threats are required before war is a viable option in your opinion? He has from DAY ONE done his best to deceive U.N. inspectors and today even admitted for the first time that he actually HAD THE WEAPONS THE WHOLE TIME as he rolled out a WHOPPING TWO banned missiles for the U.N. team to supervise the dismantling of. Twelve years is a slap in the face, not to the USA, but the whole United Nations, and the rest of the free world.

What does it take in your mind to justify force to protect OUR innocent civilians from the threat of these weapons? All I ever hear from anti-war people are gripes about the war, but never EVER a viable solution. Peace DOES work. But only if BOTH sides want it.

When this war does start, I pray to God that you take time to pray not just for our troops, but for all troops involved, and the innocents involved. If you still need to point a finger at whose fault this war is, let it be at Saddam, the ONE man on the face of the earth who did not want or facilitate peace in any way during the last twelve years.

 

PrettyboyFloyd

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The issues several posters had with Bush and the economy have been replied to better than I possibly could, but I do have a few things to say in general. I will never, EVER compare Bush to Clinton until the following has occured.

1. The Bush's try to move out with the White House furniture
2. Bush's selection of staff and support degrade to that of Clinton's
3. The Vice President claims to have invented the internet like Gore did
4. Old George gets some Viagra and starts smoking cigars
 

Chad

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Originally posted by: Chad
I believe in Bush and in this cause. I'm proud of him with his fortitude and the way he is standing up and not caving under intense pressure. Doing evil is easy, doing the RIGHT THING is always hard. Stand strong Bush and I will pray for our valiant troops who are sacrificing so much for a principle... the principle of freedom.. which runs deep in our great country.

The French are grandstanding weanies with no backbone.
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Be careful, with that attitude you are liable to be labeled a "bandwagon patriot". //looks around for Red Dawn//


I don't really care what someone wants to "label" me. I speak from my heart and always have, and I said there exactly what I feel. I believe in my country and in my President and I believe what we are doing is good and right and just. If that gets me called a name by someone incapable of allowing me my own opinion and expressing it, then so be it. But I would not value someone who had to resort to belittling me just because they disagreed or they thought something about me that they made up in their head (cause nobody here knows me). I don't know what bandwagon patriot is, because I come from a country full of millions of great and wonderfull patriots who are a patriot their entire life. So this concept is new to me.

But I tell you, It hurts my heart to see so many people apathetic to the Iraq people who have suffered under this evil regime for so long though. Who think doing nothing is the best thing to do, just so they don't have to move off their lazy ass and don't put it all on the line. But in America, we believe in the concepts of freedom and justice so much, we ae even willing to die for it for YOU... even for the people in a country who generally hate us (because we know they were taught this hate). Look at their leader, who basically lies everytime his mouth is open. Heck, I caught him in 5 lies just from watching TV.

Everyone in the world is so naive.

 

BAMAVOO

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hagbard

you need to lose the Bald Eagle and replace it with the dude with the bag on his head. :|
 

Pliablemoose

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I thought it was a great speech, I've been a little afraid we'd back down with the Security Council being such a joke.

No thinking human wants war, but GWB hit the nail on the head, we may have terrorism on US soil again soon, but @ least we're willing to try to change the Middle East, supporting the kingdoms ove rthere has come home & killed us.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, are you watching?

It's time for your ruling class to step aside & plant the tree of democracy, and see if your people can run with it.

Iran, are you watching? You're next...


Also:

Since hagbard seems to have taken a little break, I thought I'd collect a few of his posts in this one, so everyone can save thier time reading his comments...

Go to hell Bush!!! And take your friends with you.

He's creaming his pants

BS

Regime Change!!!! Yeah...In the United States, I mean.

Bite me and die.

United Thugs of American!

Good!

You'll find hell right here on earth...with luck.

Nope, I'm sticking with the 22nd....he won't disappoint his Skull and Bones buddies.

Die. I mean that.

Bush is Hitler...you're too stupid to see it.

Die. Die. Die.

I'm not. You are. Live and learn...while you can.

You American's have internet access, don't you. Well, there you go.

They won't. They'll surrender on mass...the fighting will begin after the American's conquer the place...picking off yankees before the morning coffee...what fun!

What do you think Bush's plan is, make Peace???

Good question...because they support him the same way that American's support their president.

BS.

So, to be critical of Israel for its WMD, invasion of other countries, ignoring UN resolutions, and oppressing its native population is equal to anti-Jewish, is it? You're blind to your own anti-Arab/anti-Muslim bigotry.

Democrat, Republican, same thing. You ever consider that maybe they don't give a fvck about democracy or regime changing?

Gosh...too bad. Can't come close to how I feel about the US.

Shows just how ignorant most American's like yourself are about Canadian history. (Unknowingly made to a Canadian)

He hasn't threatend anyone with war. The US is the aggressor.

Like when Canada went to war over the invasion of Poland and the US sat it out for three more years?? That one?

Well, I like that you say "probably", most just assume it. No, I'm not a liberal.

Well thought out & insightful posts, no?
 

CoolTech

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why did the u.s. waste no time in invadingi iraq because of kuwait invasion in 1991, but with over a million dead in Rwanda stood by and did nothing. Was it all because of the oil?
 

VFAA

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Let's get it all over with already... This war talk has been dragging for months... Move in and engage, kick some ass and come home victorious...