The official Canon & RED event thread :D

[Kaido]

November 2011: RED Scarlet-X 4K Super 35mm (brain + ssd for $9750; $14k for package with battery/controller/LCD)

January 2012: Canon C300 1080p Super 35mm ($20,000)

Upcoming: Canon EOS C 4K 35mm FF camera



Original Post:

One more hour, whoohoo! :awe:

Engadget liveblog for Canon here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/the-canon-hollywood-event-liveblog/

 

[Kaido]

Canon launched the C300 Cinema Camera:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-launches-c300-cinema-camera-prepares-to-take-on-red-scarl/

 

[RobDickinson]

yawn. Great if you film HD TV.

 

[Kaido]

yawn. Great if you film HD TV.

I'm kind of giggling that they're releasing a 1080p camera (in the days of 4K & 5K cameras). But it all boils down to the price...

 

[Kaido]

Uh....

$16,000 edit: $20,000 official list price
4K sensor...limited to 1080p
60 frames per second...limited to 720p

Not really understanding here...why not just buy a used 4K RED One camera?

 

[RobDickinson]

This is made for 'cheap' HD TV production.

 

[LostPassword]

canon announcement got destroyed by red. canon needs to drop their prices at least 5k.
i'm more interested in the dslr they had in that poster next to the video camera.

 

[Kaido]

Scarlet announcement:

http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2...nnounced-to-take-on-canon-c300-ships-november

5K stills @ 12fps
4K video @ 24fps
3K video @ 48fps (a la The Hobbit)
2K video @ 60fps
1K video @ 120fps

Scarlet-X for $9,750
Full kit for $14,000

...or $16,000 for a 1080p Canon camera

 

[jpeyton]

...or $16,000 for a 1080p Canon camera

The Canon press release says $20,000, where did you get your figure from?

The ONLY (and I mean ONLY) ace that Canon might be holding is low-light capability. We'll have to see how the Scarlet does against the C300 in that regard. But if I was shooting studio quality video, 4K @ 24FPS is what all the big boys are using.

 

[Kaido]

The Canon press release says $20,000, where did you get your figure from?

The ONLY (and I mean ONLY) ace that Canon might be holding is low-light capability. We'll have to see how the Scarlet does against the C300 in that regard. But if I was shooting studio quality video, 4K @ 24FPS is what all the big boys are using.

The Scarlet uses chips that weren't good enough for the EPIC, and the EPIC has pretty mean low-light, so I'm interested to see a comparison as well. The 5D MKII was just amazing at low-light when it came out, so hopefully the C300 will be even better

It looks like $20,000 is now the official price, but street price has yet to be set. $16,000 was apparently a prediction that got mixed up in some articles.

Canon did announce the upcoming "EOS C" which does 4K...using Motion-JPEG: (stifling a laugh here)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-has-a-new-eos-movies-dslr-on-the-way-too/

 

[jpeyton]

Canon did announce the upcoming "EOS C" which does 4K...using Motion-JPEG: (stifling a laugh here)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-has-a-new-eos-movies-dslr-on-the-way-too/

The EOS C doesn't make any sense to someone shooting video. Why make a cinematography-focused product to be ergonomically designed exactly like a DSLR?

People are poking fun at the Scarlet's boxy design, but it's built to handle things like heavy-duty carry handles, large external displays, and heavy PL/EF mount lenses. Once you have the Scarlet loaded up to shooting spec, it feels a lot better in hand than a DSLR jury-rigged to shoot video.

 

[Kaido]

The EOS C doesn't make any sense to someone shooting video. Why make a cinematography-focused product to be ergonomically designed exactly like a DSLR?

People are poking fun at the Scarlet's boxy design, but it's built to handle things like heavy-duty carry handles, large external displays, and heavy PL/EF mount lenses. Once you have the Scarlet loaded up to shooting spec, it feels a lot better in hand than a DSLR jury-rigged to shoot video.

I actually think that's the point - so many people are shooting on dSLR's that having a grippable enclosure as the stock design has become a good idea for that market segment. If I'm in the $20k bracket, I'm not going to be as concerned about that because I can afford to buy more add-ons, but if I'm in the sub-$5k bracket, then I'm going to have less of a budget to play with and probably more free-style shooting.

But 4K Motion-JPEG...what the heck, lol.

 

[Throckmorton]

Why is shooting 1080P such an expensive feature for DSLRs?

 

[finbarqs]

I thought epic epic was suppose to be medium format?

 

[ElFenix]

I thought epic epic was suppose to be medium format?

they have a lot of format sizes.

 

[Kaido]

Why is shooting 1080P such an expensive feature for DSLRs?

Data rates is one of the biggies. Even the new EOS 1Dx only does 14 frames per second max (JPG only mode) for stills. Scale down the resolution to 1080p and do continuous 24 frames per second shooting for film - it cooks the chip! The T2i & other dSLR video cameras already has problems overheating and are limited to 12 minutes per clip (the new 1Dx does 29 minutes iirc).

Part of the problem is that 1080p is going to be old tech - 4K sets are starting to emerge and companies are going to have to remaster their 1080p content up to 4K, instead of just having 4K to begin with. If you shoot on film, you can scan up to 8K right now (Ultra HD!), but if you shoot digital, you're kind of stuck with the original pixels.

 

[ElFenix]

...or $16,000 for a 1080p Canon camera

uh, the canon is 4k.

edit: QFHD, sorry

 

[LostPassword]

4k sensor that only outputs/records to 1080p. thats why people call it a 1080p camera.
the red can output/record 4k.

 

[alfa147x]

Would it be possible to record on the Canon @ 4K using some type of external storage?

 

[ElFenix]

4k sensor that only outputs/records to 1080p. thats why people call it a 1080p camera.
the red can output/record 4k.

maybe i'm dense... where does it say that?

 

[jpeyton]

4k sensor that only outputs/records to 1080p. thats why people call it a 1080p camera.
the red can output/record 4k.

 

[SeiChiX]

I'm kind of giggling that they're releasing a 1080p camera (in the days of 4K & 5K cameras). But it all boils down to the price...

this coming events this November, all of those even 1080p camera will surely decrease down their price. I am so excited to it..:awe:
but actually i need coupon codes to have more discounts on this..

 

[Kaido]

maybe i'm dense... where does it say that?

http://philipbloom.net/2011/11/04/newcameras/

So what do we get. Well…internal 422 Canon XF 50mb/s codec. A flat log setting in there too by the way. 4k sensor but only captures 1080p. Capable of overcrank BUT only at 720p. 10 Bit SDI out.

I believe I read that you can't capture 4K through any of the SDI ports, either. Also its 422, not 444 - the heck? So what they're doing is using a 4K sensor to create a better-looking 1080p image - more detail squashed down into a smaller frame size.

The upcoming Canon EOS "C" camera will do 4K (but will record in Motion-JPEG, yuck!):

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-has-a-new-eos-movies-dslr-on-the-way-too/

 

[mmntech]

November 2011: RED Scarlet-X 4K Super 35mm (brain + ssd for $9750; $14k for package with battery/controller/LCD)

January 2012: Canon C300 1080p Super 35mm ($20,000)

Upcoming: Canon EOS C 4K 35mm FF camera



Original Post:

One more hour, whoohoo! :awe:

Engadget liveblog for Canon here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/the-canon-hollywood-event-liveblog/

$14,000 for the RED is a very good price. Sony's XDCAM go for nearly $15k, and it's only a 1/2'' sensor. Video technology is moving at an incredible pace right now. All those top end HD cameras the TV industry just spent millions on are already obsolete. We're at the point where a $3000 SLR photo camera can out shoot the $10,000+ pro video cameras.