McCain must be using Bush's accounting team. You know, the one that gave him statistics to back up his claim that the deficit would be cut in half by 2008 while it grew at a almost 50% clip.
McCain must be using Bush's accounting team. You know, the one that gave him statistics to back up his claim that the deficit would be cut in half by 2008 while it grew at a almost 50% clip.
Funny about the MSM...
Truly, the extreme awfulness of the Bush Administration with its attendant wars, economic debacles, lies and scandals has thrown politics as usual off track. So it's just barely possible that all the slander of the right-wing machine will come to naught. People may just be sick of it this year. They're sick of everything else.
That's the goal of this whole American experiment: that a political campaign can raise issues which actually matter to the people who live in a particular society, and that by giving voice to competing arguments, candidates put forth reasoned alternatives and then the people can select out of the marketplace of ideas the one they prefer.
The Rich Lowrys, Jonah Goldbergs, Rush Limbaughs and the entire right wing conspiracy can continue the red herrings and slimy insinuations and guilt by association to try to drag Obama down to their scorched-earth level.
But imagine if the old scare tactics and demagoguery somehow ... stop working. Imagine that the electorate finally dummies up and realizes that they've been divided, sliced and diced, and played for sheep time and time again, with nothing to show for it but televised fantasies of striking it rich while they have no realistic hope of ever climbing to the highest tax bracket.
Rational people have learned a thing or two about hypocrisy and smokescreens and self-serving excuses - and watching the Bush fiasco for seven years and counting has been a continuing education in the disintegration of seemingly valid sound-bites, justifications and fantasies dressed up as reality. Maybe enough of us have finally stopped giving into the pretense and are ready to call the bullshit for what it is. Even if Obama doesn't win, his campaign will be a victory for common sense and good old American skepticism. And if he does win, we can collectively bury these Beltway talkingheads and their tired, selfish scare tactics and start to repair the damage that their Beltway corporate media have done to this country.
Bush used to claim he needed to get past the filter of the MSM, despite how well the MSM treated him. Now it may be that Obama's hopes of becoming president will rely on his ability to go over the MSM direct to the voters because the establishment press is going to slime him ad nausium.
Is it possible that the media that was used to check government, now needs to be filtered out in order to get some good government?
How sad...
Let the real election campaigning begin! Pull out all the stops. I still think Hillary should run as an independent. Maybe she should become a republican and be McCain's Vice President. That would hack off some people.
Maybe Hillary can make her own party and get that wrestler from Montana to be her vice president.
Maybe Hillary can make her own party and get that wrestler from Montana to be her vice president.
Someone once said "a con man?s job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe."
That is just what Obama is doing with his wondrous ability to conjure up an imaginary world of hope, peace and prosperity while diverting attention away from the real one.
The same could be said about the person that you are supporting also. She is conjuring up a world of experience and strength to go along with her compassion and empathy to divert from the real one where she has none of those traits.
Given the two choices, I would rather be a skeptic that is in need of hope to right the world rather than a coward who needs someone of strength for protection.
shocksyde
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Where is all this hee-haw about Obama being an "empty suit" and a "fake" coming from?
And what, exactly, is the problem with selling hope and change in a campaign? Bush and his cronies have fucked this country up so bad that the only thing we may have left is HOPE for CHANGE.
If you've accepted the world the way it is and don't see any hope for change, then leave the country and never come back.
empty suit = his lack of experience
fake = saying he's above "silly politics", that he's a different kind of candidate out of one side of his mouth, then engaging in certain maneuvers for political expediency.
not to worry, we'll see much more of his true colors in the general election.
First
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He's a lock for the POTUS barring some scandal. I'd get used to that idea and used to it fast, no amount of right-wing extremist fear-mongering on national security is going to save foolhardy conservatives this time around. Anyone who thinks McCain is a foreign policy buff is laughably misinformed btw (Obama isn't either, of course he doesn't claim to be the way McCain does).
Nope, this race is mccain's to lose, regardless of what those on the far left might think.
The irony of it all is if Obama wins, it'll be thanks to the conservatives.
It will all depend on who McCain chooses for his VP. If McCain abandons the conservative base in his VP choice, he will lose soundly as conservatives will simply sit on their hands come November
UberNeuman
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Isn't that the buzz word that Bush fans have used for years now - when anytime the White House has been called to task on many issues - that these all were just "distractions?"
Vic
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That is some seriously good crack you're smoking there.
Let me explain to you the same thing I explained to PJ this morning. McCain has no hope whatsoever of winning. The whole reason the Dem primary has been so contested is because that has been the actual election. If it weren't for the diehard wingnuts like yourself voting for McCain and McCain voting for himself, it would be unanimous.
edit: but of course it depends on the conservatives sitting on their hands in November, that's a 'here's your sign' comment from you there, but his choice for VP won't change that.
The ProfJohn rule: BS distractions are now "issues". 
In fact, though, the ProfJohn theory goes a little farther than that. Rather than complaining about Obama labeling certain issues off-limits, ProfJohn (or actually, the writer of the OP-ED piece) has looked into his crystal ball and divined that that's what Obama means when he complains about the Republican style of campaigning.
Only it's pretty obvious BS. Maybe I'm just not getting it, but my world view allows for questioning Obama's potential for "toughness" in fighting terrorism while still complaining that the Republican approach to the issue is far more about fear mongering than rational discussion. Or talking about Obama's background without finding the most ridiculous "issues" in his history to focus on. In fact, that entire article makes some pretty fundamental attribution errors...the issue that the author claims is being discussed doesn't seem to ever line up too well with what Obama's actually saying. It's like debating with a 6th grader, no matter what you say, their response is "so you're gay, is that what you're saying?"
Not too surprising though, this is a pretty mundane political tactic. Pretty brainless to come up with, but hardly worth even a response. Come on, ProfJohn, surely you can do better than this?
In fact, though, the ProfJohn theory goes a little farther than that. Rather than complaining about Obama labeling certain issues off-limits, ProfJohn (or actually, the writer of the OP-ED piece) has looked into his crystal ball and divined that that's what Obama means when he complains about the Republican style of campaigning.
Only it's pretty obvious BS. Maybe I'm just not getting it, but my world view allows for questioning Obama's potential for "toughness" in fighting terrorism while still complaining that the Republican approach to the issue is far more about fear mongering than rational discussion. Or talking about Obama's background without finding the most ridiculous "issues" in his history to focus on. In fact, that entire article makes some pretty fundamental attribution errors...the issue that the author claims is being discussed doesn't seem to ever line up too well with what Obama's actually saying. It's like debating with a 6th grader, no matter what you say, their response is "so you're gay, is that what you're saying?"
Not too surprising though, this is a pretty mundane political tactic. Pretty brainless to come up with, but hardly worth even a response. Come on, ProfJohn, surely you can do better than this?
sandorski
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hehe, OMG. I thought Obama was going to say the Economy, Constitution, or some other Issue was just a distraction. All we got was an Obama quote about "distractions", then a bunch of issues raised by a clear Partisan. The Partisan conveniently didn't mention all the distractions that Obama was talking about. Like: McCain's Black Baby; Terry Schiavo; Homosexuals; Abortion; John Kerry's fake Purple Hearts; WMD; Terrar!! :Q ; Alert level adjustments; etc; etc;
PJ must be a Bot. I mean, even he must be able to see that this article is a pile of BS.
PJ must be a Bot. I mean, even he must be able to see that this article is a pile of BS.
StageLeft
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True. And also true, McCain will have to give real answers, not just chuckles and "Wow, you're so stupid for even asking, heh heh heh" responses as he always does.
Basically, the republicans have done such a bang up job of banging us without lube that it's going to take some truly marvelous pictures and documents damning Obama for him to lose in November. And the thing is, if he sucks ass, you have only yourselves to blame. Your lack of contrition for Bush and co. really gives the voters no choice but to punish you for your wrongdoing. And not a moment too soon. Several years too late, in fact, but at least better late than never.
the hypocrisy here is simply baffling...
what exactly did Bush/Cheney campaign about in 2004? Gay marriage? We will be attacked if you elect a democrat?
Are those important issues, or fear mongering and pandering to the church-going voters?
McCain may not be Bush, but I think he's going to be guilty by association - and if this country is dumb enough to elect another republican president right now, god help us all. I don't say that because I dislike McCain, I say that because of the historically awful administration the past 8 years, who's biggest success is probably providing aid/funding to Africa.
what exactly did Bush/Cheney campaign about in 2004? Gay marriage? We will be attacked if you elect a democrat?
Are those important issues, or fear mongering and pandering to the church-going voters?
McCain may not be Bush, but I think he's going to be guilty by association - and if this country is dumb enough to elect another republican president right now, god help us all. I don't say that because I dislike McCain, I say that because of the historically awful administration the past 8 years, who's biggest success is probably providing aid/funding to Africa.
I love the repubs going " he will have to face the issues!" When the repubs have run on nothing but fear mongering the last 8 years. So what happens when people want more than "9/11, Terro, Iran, 9/11, Obama, Islamofacism, Gays gays, guns terror!" for every answer?
Even right now McCain is following the typical repub line with "Ill be the stronger one to face threats blah blah blah"
Even right now McCain is following the typical repub line with "Ill be the stronger one to face threats blah blah blah"
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