The NY Giants work fast**NOW OFFICIAL**

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

 

[gistech1978]

collins needs to go to the 49ers.
instead of tim shattay...err rattay. i mean.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
This is a good opportunity for Eli to jump right in and get the growing pains out of the way. This way the Giants can rebuild while Eli learns the offense.

It is good for him to get in and learn but can you really say they are rebuilding? They have Toomer, Hilliard, Barber, Strahan, Shockey. Is that the core of a rebuilding team?

Are you saying those guys are super stars or not? Because their record certainly doesn't reflect it if they're "super stars". They're in for another last place finish with the re-tooled Redskins, the Chokers, and the Cowboys.

I wouldnt say superstars but they are pro bowl caliber players (shockey, strahan, toomer especially) 4years removed form the superbowl and 1 year removed from a huge playoff collapse in SF. I agree they are in for a tough situation in that division but they had a down year under Fassel and maybe a coaching change is what they needed. Is coughlin thew answer tho?

Strahan and Shockey can easily be pro-bowl players if they stay healthy. Hilliard and toomer are SOLID recievers. Will Allen and Peterson are SOLID corners. The Giants have a good team, and it's not a rebuilding team, it's a NOW team.

Yeah right. They don't have an O-line to speak of. Strahan is no longer the player he was a couple of years ago. Hilliard and Toomer are AVERAGE receivers. Allen and Peterson who? 8-8 at best next year.

I'll have to disagree. Allen and Peterson constistently shut down the other teams superstar receivers, like Moss. Toomer has been top 5 in receiving yards consistently. Strahan led the NFL in sacks last year. They improved their o-line and drafted the best Guard in this draft in Chris Snee. Yes, with a rookie QB 8-8 is a possibility, however, Giants got a solid core of players. Plus, now they have $7 million to spend on a superstar signing.

Giants fan I take it? Hate to break it to you, but Toomer wasn't even in the top 10 last season, let alone the top 5. Strahan is still a good player, but I don't think he will have much left in him soon. The division will be too tough for them to be very competitive, but they won't be terrible. I was just disagreeing with the "ITS A NOW TEAM" statement. They will definately improve from last year, but the playoffs are at least a season away.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

And Mr. "I won't play for the team that drafts me" Manning is a model for good attitude?

Kerry Collins led the Panthers to the NFC Championship, and the Giants to the Super Bowl. He is definitely above average, and the Giants are making a mistake if they let him go.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

And Mr. "I won't play for the team that drafts me" Manning is a model for good attitude?

Worked for Elway.

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
This is a good opportunity for Eli to jump right in and get the growing pains out of the way. This way the Giants can rebuild while Eli learns the offense.

It is good for him to get in and learn but can you really say they are rebuilding? They have Toomer, Hilliard, Barber, Strahan, Shockey. Is that the core of a rebuilding team?

Are you saying those guys are super stars or not? Because their record certainly doesn't reflect it if they're "super stars". They're in for another last place finish with the re-tooled Redskins, the Chokers, and the Cowboys.

no rookie QB has led his team to a superbowl, plus that division is too tough, however, I don't think they'll be horrible next year.

Dan Marino 1983

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

No way. If anything Eli is even slower than his brother.

 

[Argo]

Saul:

The whole team had a down year last year. You can't judge them by that year. Just 2 years ago Toomer was #2 receiver in NFC, just 5 yards behind Randy Moss. Tiki Barber led the NFC in total yards. Strahan had 18 sacks last year. The next guy had 15, to me that's a pretty good season. This year Shockey led all tight ends in catches, even though he missed half the season. My point is all those guys can perform, even Collins, IMO. Who knows what's gonna happen, especially in a tough division like NFC east, especially with a new coach and new players. However, Giants do have enough talent to be taken seriously.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

And Mr. "I won't play for the team that drafts me" Manning is a model for good attitude?

Kerry Collins led the Panthers to the NFC Championship, and the Giants to the Super Bowl. He is definitely above average, and the Giants are making a mistake if they let him go.

He also quit on the Panthers as well. Looks like he would have been a perfect role model for Manning

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

No way. If anything Eli is even slower than his brother.

That's wrong. The general consensus is that Eli is mobile in the pocket. The said that like a 100 times during the draft.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

No way. If anything Eli is even slower than his brother.

That's wrong. The general consensus is that Eli is mobile in the pocket. The said that like a 100 times during the draft.

I don't care. I watched him play at Ole Miss for four years. He's slow.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

No way. If anything Eli is even slower than his brother.

That's wrong. The general consensus is that Eli is mobile in the pocket. The said that like a 100 times during the draft.

I don't care. I watched him play at Ole Miss for four years. He's slow.

He's slow, but he seemed faster than Peyton...which isn't saying much.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

he will have a rough life if he starts this yaer, the Giants gave up the 2nd most sacks in the league last year...

he will be wishing he was in sunny warm Southern California when his head is being drivin into the frozen ground at Giants stadium in Decemeber

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
This is a good opportunity for Eli to jump right in and get the growing pains out of the way. This way the Giants can rebuild while Eli learns the offense.

It is good for him to get in and learn but can you really say they are rebuilding? They have Toomer, Hilliard, Barber, Strahan, Shockey. Is that the core of a rebuilding team?

Are you saying those guys are super stars or not? Because their record certainly doesn't reflect it if they're "super stars". They're in for another last place finish with the re-tooled Redskins, the Chokers, and the Cowboys.

no rookie QB has led his team to a superbowl, plus that division is too tough, however, I don't think they'll be horrible next year.

Dan Marino 1983

Wrong. Marino did not lead the Fins to the Super Bowl in 83, however he did lead them to a Divisional Playoff loss vs the Seahawks. The Fins made the Super Bowl in '82 (Pre-Marino) and 84 (Marino was a 2nd year vet then).

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Dan Marino 1983

Wrong. Marino did not lead the Fins to the Super Bowl in 83, however he did lead them to a Divisional Playoff loss vs the Seahawks. The Fins made the Super Bowl in '82 (Pre-Marino) and 84 (Marino was a 2nd year vet then).

I stand corrected.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

No way. If anything Eli is even slower than his brother.

That's wrong. The general consensus is that Eli is mobile in the pocket. The said that like a 100 times during the draft.

Was this before or after they started hitting the crack pipe?

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: darkeneddays
I always liked Collins (even since Carolina) but he needs a hardcore offensive line because the man cannot/will not move out the pocket. I guess it was easier for the Giants to draft a more mobile QB than create an all-star offensive line.

Unfortunately for the Giants, mobility has never been one of Eli's strong points 😕

Actually Eli isn't a dinosaur in the pocket like his brother is. He's no Vick or Culpepper, but he has been known to scramble.

No way. If anything Eli is even slower than his brother.

That's wrong. The general consensus is that Eli is mobile in the pocket. The said that like a 100 times during the draft.

Was this before or after they started hitting the crack pipe?

Both? ESPN has done everything but suck Eli's cock.

 

[spanky]

this thread is funny. u know what would be even funnier? if the giants somehow bring in vinny testeverde. ok... that wasn't funny at all.

 

[ThePresence]

Kerry Collins on Mike & the Mad Dog now.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Kerry Collins on Mike & the Mad Dog now.

Keep us informed , please.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Kerry Collins on Mike & the Mad Dog now.

Keep us informed , please.

Well, he said that he thinks the Giants will try to trade him in the next few days, and they will release him if they can't. He's being real classy about it.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

And Mr. "I won't play for the team that drafts me" Manning is a model for good attitude?

Worked for Elway.

Yeah and Elway sucked pretty bad in his first year.

On a slightly different subject. Elways stats have never been good. He threw as many interceptions as TD in his first 10 yrs. It was his last 6 yrs that he put up some good stats. Even that, he never threw for more than 27 TDs in any season.
Not to say he's not a great QB but its strange that he doesn't put up better numbers.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: rh71
So you're saying Eli is going to stink it up huh ?

I think Collins did the right thing for his career.

Well he isnt going to go to the super bowl in that division as a rookie. He might in a few years but not year 1. They were 4-12 with a good qb in collins. How much better can they be with a rookie?

Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

Don't know why you say that. Ever since he's been with the Giants, he turned his life around, got off the alcohol, and he's always been a class act since he's been in NY.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

And Mr. "I won't play for the team that drafts me" Manning is a model for good attitude?

Worked for Elway.

Yeah and Elway sucked pretty bad in his first year.

On a slightly different subject. Elways stats have never been good. He threw as many interceptions as TD in his first 10 yrs. It was his last 6 yrs that he put up some good stats. Even that, he never threw for more than 27 TDs in any season.
Not to say he's not a great QB but its strange that he doesn't put up better numbers.

I would say his supporting cast in Denver contributed to some of that, especially in his last few years. With Terrel Davis rushing like he was, why would he need to pass that much?

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Collins is just a cry baby anyways. Good riddance.

And Mr. "I won't play for the team that drafts me" Manning is a model for good attitude?

Worked for Elway.

Yeah and Elway sucked pretty bad in his first year.

On a slightly different subject. Elways stats have never been good. He threw as many interceptions as TD in his first 10 yrs. It was his last 6 yrs that he put up some good stats. Even that, he never threw for more than 27 TDs in any season.
Not to say he's not a great QB but its strange that he doesn't put up better numbers.

Dont forget he went to a bunch of superbowls. Being successful isnt about numbers, its winning. How many times did he come back in the 4th quarter? That is what he was most known for.