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<< Tex, just for curiosity's sake, you may have posted it before but, did you need to go higher than 1.6V to get to 2.6 on the P4Te? Reason I ask, I *think* mine will do more easily, but, I'm still a bit reluctant to push the V-Core past 1.6.😉 My goal yesterday after reading the begining of your thread was 2.6 and I got there and stopped.......I was happy with that!🙂 Just wondering how far I can stress the voltages *safely* at this point as all of us are so very new to this with the Northy's!😉 >>



to get to 2.6 ghz I did have to max out the voltage at 1.65 but I didn't run it for more than a day before trying the P4B266. And to be honest I was just trying to max the sucker out 😀
 


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<< Tex, just for curiosity's sake, you may have posted it before but, did you need to go higher than 1.6V to get to 2.6 on the P4Te? Reason I ask, I *think* mine will do more easily, but, I'm still a bit reluctant to push the V-Core past 1.6.😉 My goal yesterday after reading the begining of your thread was 2.6 and I got there and stopped.......I was happy with that!🙂 Just wondering how far I can stress the voltages *safely* at this point as all of us are so very new to this with the Northy's!😉 >>



to get to 2.6 ghz I did have to max out the voltage at 1.65 but I didn't run it for more than a day before trying the P4B266. And to be honest I was just trying to max the sucker out 😀 >>



LOL! I may stay here happy at 2.6 @ 1.6 for a while then until more "risk takers" show some results with the TH7II!😉 Like I said, from expierience, it got to 2.6 so easy, I'm sure it would do a bit more...........I'm just to conservative..............😉
 
ToBeMe,

If it ain't availabe at newegg or mwave, I don't buy it. Between the two, I am pretty sure I'm getting a good deal. That's why I only post prices from them. I could mess with pricewatch, but doing so would waste more time for not much improvement in cost.

So i850 boards will be able to run PC1066 RDRAM? Pretty sure i845-B will not be able to run PC2700.
 


<< ToBeMe,

If it ain't availabe at newegg or mwave, I don't buy it. Between the two, I am pretty sure I'm getting a good deal. That's why I only post prices from them. I could mess with pricewatch, but doing so would waste more time for not much improvement in cost.

So i850 boards will be able to run PC1066 RDRAM? Pretty sure i845-B will not be able to run PC2700. >>


LOL! GT........I'm just like you, but, I throw Googlegear into the mix now as I have had really good success with them and their prices, shipping, and support seem to be top notch!🙂

I'm not sure about "all" i850's being PC1066 compatable, but, I checked with Abit and I do know the TH7II's are!😉 If some of the prelims. I saw with PC1066 turn out to be even half true.........I think I made a good choice!🙂 I just can't wait to see how much damage my bank account will take as soon as it's released!🙁 LOL!🙂
 
If temperatures remain nominal w/proper cooling...crank that voltage up and keep it there 🙂 Side effect of too much juice is too much heat but if you have excellent cooling and running nominal temps...crank it up, you have no risk.
 


<< If temperatures remain nominal w/proper cooling...crank that voltage up and keep it there 🙂 Side effect of too much juice is too much heat but if you have excellent cooling and running nominal temps...crank it up, you have no risk. >>



The heart is with you but the brain is too scared 😀

2.7 is enough for me 🙂
 
ToBeMe: you know how it goes. When shopping for new parts, you can always play the waiting game. Wait for NV25, wait for PC1066, etc. If you do that, you'll never upgrade, though. I am running a PII-450 on a 440BX that is showing its age, and I need to upgrade. I simply bought the parts that I think are best for me; offer the best combination between price, performance, and personal asthetics. I believe I've done that. Everything will be obsolete in 6 months, but at least I will have built a really stable, flexible system (I hope). My goal is to build this thing and leave it alone until maybe adding a new videocard or RAM in a year or so. I rotate computers on a 3 year cycle.

Akaz1976: as you can see, I did not personally run those benches. GamePC did. As the resoluton and color depth increases (in games), the videocard more and more becomes the bottleneck. I think GamePC uses a Visiontek GeForce3 Titanium 64MB (240/500). If you're a gamer, pay attention to the Default, Q3A, and ATDemo benches. Between the P4T-E and the P4B266, the P4B266 is the better board for OCing. As ToBeMe says, the Abit TH7II is a better i850-based board for OCing than the P4T-E, though.
 


<< What does your Asus probe say about your temps @ 1.65v Tex? >>



Someone finally asked 🙂

It is apparently stuck on 40C for life. Even the bios temp reports 40C without a budge.

I put on my digital doc (I know you dont like em 😉 ) and I got a reading of 27-31C.

Who knows.
 
Dude...do you know how cool 40c is? Throttling does not kick in till 67c. My friends 1.4 tbird runs @ 45c @ stock speed!! 🙂 That stinkin' 2.2 has so much head-room its scary 🙂
 
How about a 3dMark linky @ 2.7 🙂 I want to know what number a 2.7 nwood & radeon 8500 get! That should easily fetch a score of 10k 🙂
 


<< Dude...do you know how cool 40c is? Throttling does not kick in till 67c. My friends 1.4 tbird runs @ 45c @ stock speed!! 🙂 That stinkin' 2.2 has so much head-room its scary 🙂 >>



No I mean its Stuck. It doesn't move at all. hehe
 


<< So i850 boards will be able to run PC1066 RDRAM? Pretty sure i845-B will not be able to run PC2700. >>

There's no guarantee's that 850 will run PC1066 but it'll get awful close. If you can't get PC1066 on current 850 boards, it's not 850 that's the problem, it's the Rambus Clock Generators that are the problem (see here). So in theory, if manufacture's would just use the newer generators, you'd be all set.

<< Dude...do you know how cool 40c is? Throttling does not kick in till 67c. My friends 1.4 tbird runs @ 45c @ stock speed!! That stinkin' 2.2 has so much head-room its scary >>

That may be true and all, but we're not talking about how hot it's running. Tex is worried because of what Johan at Ace's Hardware said in his review about vcore on a .13um CPU. And Johan, is talking about not how hot the chip is running, but wooried about giving it too much juice will damage the actual CPU. I say just follow what Johan says about 1.65v. I respect his opinion.

<< as you can see, I did not personally run those benches. GamePC did. As the resoluton and color depth increases (in games), the videocard more and more becomes the bottleneck. I think GamePC uses a Visiontek GeForce3 Titanium 64MB (240/500). If you're a gamer, pay attention to the Default, Q3A, and ATDemo benches. Between the P4T-E and the P4B266, the P4B266 is the better board for OCing. As ToBeMe says, the Abit TH7II is a better i850-based board for OCing than the P4T-E, though. >>

Why all the comparisions to P4T-E? TH7II costs the same (give or take a dollar) as P4T-E despite it is a 6 layer board.

<< but at least I will have built a really stable, flexible system (I hope). >>

I understand, but you want flexible? Take 850. PC1066 on a 533fsb CPU will be around 10% faster than a 533fsb CPU on 845-D or even SiS 645. As for

<< I'm not sure about "all" i850's being PC1066 compatable, but, I checked with Abit and I do know the TH7II's are! If some of the prelims. I saw with PC1066 turn out to be even half true.........I think I made a good choice! I just can't wait to see how much damage my bank account will take as soon as it's released! LOL! >>

This is HUGE news to me. This just proves my point above. If you GT were to upgrade to a 533fsb CPU (Or even overclock to 533fsb), you would never get the full potential of your CPU but on Abit TH7II you would! Just my 2c. I respect your decision GT, I just really think that as long as the price between Rambus and DDR is the same, there is no reason to go DDR. RDRAM is the top performer for the P4 as long as it's got the fsb bandwidth to use all the RDRAM bandwidth and DDR will never compete with a 533fsb NW+PC1066 RDRAM.
 
GTaudiophile and everyone else, the P4B266 that NewEgg and other's sell for $115-$125 is a cut down version that does not have USB 2.0, onboard sound or three DIMM slots. The P4B266 with all the goodies sells for around $160-$180 and thats the one to get.
 
Well Tex... I ordered it... I got your config, except instead of the 2.2G I got a 2G, I just couldn't justify an extra $200-250... So, We'll see how far that overclocks... I want a good 2.4G ish...

I should be getting it in a couple of days.... So, we'll see then...
 


<< Well Tex... I ordered it... I got your config, except instead of the 2.2G I got a 2G, I just couldn't justify an extra $200-250... So, We'll see how far that overclocks... I want a good 2.4G ish...

I should be getting it in a couple of days.... So, we'll see then... >>



All right! You should be able to hit 2.5ghz! Keep us posted!!
 
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