The nomination for Ben Bernanke's re-appointment to the is coming up.

Does Ben Bernanke deserve to be re-appointed as Chairman of the Federal Reserve?

  • Yes, I think he's performance has been fair or excellent and don't oppose his nomination.

  • No, I think he's done a poor job and the President should pick someone else.

  • Not voting, or I vote "present".


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lothar

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How do you think he's doing so far? How well do you think he managed the crisis? Do you believe he should be re-appointed?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/support-for-bernanke-wavering-2010-01-22?pagenumber=1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100123/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_bernanke

On Friday, three Democrats — Sens. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Barbara Boxer of California and Jeff Merkley of Oregon — announced they would vote against Bernanke's confirmation. A fourth Democrat — Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, announced his opposition Thursday.
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Merkley, who opposed Bernanke in committee, said Friday he was opposing Bernanke's nomination. He blamed Bernanke not only for missing signs of the smoldering crisis. "Ben Bernanke helped set the fire," Merkley said.
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"It is time for a change -- it is time for Main Street to have a champion at the Fed," Boxer said in a statement.
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The opposition to Bernanke has been led by Sen. Bernie Sanders, the socialist independent from Vermont, and by Republican Sens. Jim Bunning of Kentucky, Jim DeMint of South Carolina and David Vitter of Louisiana.
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Bernanke faces a 60-vote Senate hurdle because Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent liberal from Vermont, has placed a "hold" on the nomination. That means it will require a super-majority to bring the nomination to a vote. The actual vote on confirmation would still be a simple majority.
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In a note, Sanders said that many Democrats see the Massachusetts election "as a wake-up call."..."There is a growing understanding that our economy is in severe distress, a greater appreciation that people are disgusted with the never-ending greed on Wall Street, and a better recognition that we need a new direction at the Fed," he said.
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In a boost for Bernanke, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada came out late Friday and endorsed him. Reid's previous silence about his position on the Fed chief stoked concerns about the nomination. "An expert on the Great Depression, Chairman Bernanke helped steer us away from a second one," Reid said. Still, he said Bernanke must "redouble" his efforts to help struggling Americans.
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Senate Banking Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said rejecting Bernanke would be the "worst signal to the markets."
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A spokeswoman for Sens. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, who voted for Bernanke in committee, said he is now undecided. Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., was in the same position after supporting him in committee, according to a Democratic aide who would speak only anonymously because the senator hasn't announced his position. And Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., one of four Republicans to side with Bernanke in committee, said that while he wants to support him and is carefully examining Bernanke's record, "I do reserve the right to vote against him" — a view he expressed in committee last month.

Does Ben Bernanke deserve to be re-appointed as Chairman of the Federal Reserve?
A.) Yes, I think he's performance has been fair or excellent and don't oppose his nomination.
B.) No, I think he's done a poor job and the President should appoint someone else(whether you Greenspan, Lawrence Summers, Sheila Bair, Paul Volcker, Timothy Geither, or some other economist give names and be specific).
C.) Not voting, or I vote "present". (This essentially means you're not voting "yes" which won't help overcome the filibuster.)
 

FoBoT

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there should never be another Greenspan (meaning having one guy in there for such a long time period)

kick him to the curb
 

lothar

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there should never be another Greenspan (meaning having one guy in there for such a long time period)

kick him to the curb

Define "long period of time".
4 years? 8 years? or the nearly 20 years that Greenspan was FED chief.

Even if Ben Bernanke isn't renominated, he'll still be on the Federal Reserve board making decisions until 2020.
 

Hacp

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Bernanke is a pretty smart person. Its a shame he's married to the bankers.
 

lothar

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Never realized so many people here are against his nomination.
Wow, Ben Bernanke won't survive a normal vote in the Anandtech P&N Senate talkless of a filibuster here.

As for my assessment, I think he's done a fair job based on the cards he was dealt with. I still think both Paul Volcker and Alan Greenspan are much better than him(IMO). While he certainly could be better in other areas and there are valid criticisms out there but I'm not against him getting reappointed.
 

Moonbeam

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I am really pissed off. I am pissed off at the President, the congress, the American people, the banks, the insurance industry, the regulators. I am really really really pissed off. I am so pissed off I can't even think. I just want somebody to piss on. I want to piss on Ben
Bernanke. I say we Lynch him. I don't know why. I'm too pissed off for that. I don't know what he's done wrong. I'm way to mad to think. I have no idea who should replace him. I kick shit when I'm mad and fix my broken toe later. I am an enraged lunatic, like most all the others posting in this thread.
 

lothar

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I am really pissed off. I am pissed off at the President, the congress, the American people, the banks, the insurance industry, the regulators. I am really really really pissed off. I am so pissed off I can't even think. I just want somebody to piss on. I want to piss on Ben
Bernanke. I say we Lynch him. I don't know why. I'm too pissed off for that. I don't know what he's done wrong. I'm way to mad to think. I have no idea who should replace him. I kick shit when I'm mad and fix my broken toe later. I am an enraged lunatic, like most all the others posting in this thread.

Why are you so angry?
 

Craig234

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I tend to trust Bernie Sanders on a matter like this and he's against the appointment. I find it hard to sort through what some of the people say versus their real agendas. Bernake can talk a nice populst talk.
 

Moonbeam

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Why are you so angry?

I'm not mad. I'm just channeling the idiots who are against this guy. They are know nothing idiots but, of course, in my opinion.

And the nomination has been up since August, I believe. He should have been confirmed months and months ago.
 

Farang

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He's the best man for the job.

He's the best man because anyone who would replace him would have gone to the same schools, hold the same theories, and implement the same policies as him.

The only difference is he is the undisputed expert on these policies and their implementation.

Do you want a lobotomy from the guy who went to Johns Hopkins or the guy who went to East Tennessee Medical College?
 

drebo

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He's the best man for the job.

He's the best man because anyone who would replace him would have gone to the same schools, hold the same theories, and implement the same policies as him.

The only difference is he is the undisputed expert on these policies and their implementation.

Do you want a lobotomy from the guy who went to Johns Hopkins or the guy who went to East Tennessee Medical College?

I don't want a lobotomy at all.

Maybe someone in there who sided with the Austrian school of economics would do some good.
 

yllus

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He's done pretty well. I'd give him another term.

I'm not sure what the "he's with the bankers" spiel is about. AFAIK, Mr. Bernanke's a lifelong academic, whereas almost every other potential nominee is going to be a Wall Street lifer. Maybe you'd get Lawrence Summers stepping into that role...

Lawrence Summers - Role in the deregulation of derivatives contracts

On May 7, 1998, the CFTC issued a Concept Release soliciting input from regulators, academics, and practitioners to determine "how best to maintain adequate regulatory safeguards without impairing the ability of the OTC derivatives market to grow and the ability of U.S. entities to remain competitive in the global financial marketplace."

On July 30, 1998, then-Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Summers testified before congress that "the parties to these kinds of contract are largely sophisticated financial institutions that would appear to be eminently capable of protecting themselves from fraud and counterparty insolvencies."

Summers, like Greenspan and Rubin who also opposed the concept release, offered no proof that the contracts would not be be misused by financial institutions. Instead, Summers stated that "to date there has been no clear evidence of a need for additional regulation of the institutional OTC derivatives market, and we would submit that proponents of such regulation must bear the burden of demonstrating that need."

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When George Stephanopoulos asked Summers about the financial crisis and in an ABC interview on March 15, 2009 Summers replied that "there are a lot of terrible things that have happened in the last eighteen months, but what’s happened at A.I.G. ... the way it was not regulated, the way no one was watching ... is outrageous."
 

drebo

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THe disastrous, wrong ideologues of the Austrian school?

Disastrous?

Economists from the Austrian school pointed out the impending recession years before it happened. Bernanke denied it was possible up until it was too late to really do anything about it. How on earth could anyone be less successful?
 

Special K

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March 28th, 2007 – Ben Bernanke: "At this juncture . . . the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained,"

May 17th, 2007 – Bernanke: “While rising delinquencies and foreclosures will continue to weigh heavily on the housing market this year, it will not cripple the U.S.”

June 20th, 2007 – Bernanke: (the subprime fallout) ``will not affect the economy overall.''

October 15th, 2007 – Bernanke: "It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve - nor would it be appropriate - to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions."

February 29th, 2008 – Bernanke: "I expect there will be some failures. I don't anticipate any serious problems of that sort among the large internationally active banks that make up a very substantial part of our banking system."

June 9th, 2008 – Bernanke: Despite a recent spike in the nation's unemployment rate, the danger that the economy has fallen into a "substantial downturn" appears to have waned

July 16th, 2008 – Bernanke: (Freddie and Fannie) “…will make it through the storm”, "… in no danger of failing.","…adequately capitalized"

Fixed ;)
 

Zebo

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One thing will be nice is seeing the children of the ignorant middle class facing ugly, dismal futures in a coarse, ugly society of haves and protectors and nots (90%)
 

Zebo

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"There is no housing bubble."

Ben Bernake, 2007

Heh! This is when I got out of building them. One sure fire way to make money is bet against Benny the B's pronouncements. (see my links where he is wrong so many times)

Bernanke has in fact been dead wrong on virtually every pronouncement he has made over the last ten years on economic matters, including claims that there was no housing bubble as late as 2006, that subprime was contained, that we would not experience a recession, that his policy prescriptions would stabilize the economy and job market and that if EESA/TARP was passed the stock market would not collapse. Each and every one of those claims was in fact wrong. A weatherman would be fired for a predictive record far better than Bernanke's.
 

Moonbeam

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Disastrous?

Economists from the Austrian school pointed out the impending recession years before it happened. Bernanke denied it was possible up until it was too late to really do anything about it. How on earth could anyone be less successful?

WIKI: Critics have concluded that modern Austrian economics generally lacks scientific rigor,[5][60] which forms the basis of the most prominent criticism of the school. Austrian theories are not formulated in formal mathematical form,[61] but by using mainly verbal logic and what proponents claim are self-evident axioms. Mainstream economists believe that this makes Austrian theories too imprecisely defined to be clearly used to explain or predict real world events. Economist Bryan Caplan noted that, "what prevents Austrian economists from getting more publications in mainstream journals is that their papers rarely use mathematics or econometrics."

A related criticism[62][63] is applied to Austrian School leaders; these leaders reject methods which involve deriving falsifiable theories from empirical evidence --- the empirical basis which is fundamental to the scientific method. In particular, Austrian School leader, Ludwig von Mises, says of his economic methodology that "its statements and propositions are not derived from experience... They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of experience and facts."[64] Also, Murray Rothbard was an adherent of Mises's methodology; though Rothbard assigned a sort of empirical description to it, he comments that "it should be obvious that this type of 'empiricism' is so out of step with modern empiricism that I may just as well continue to call it a priori for present purposes."[65] Additionally, the prominent Austrian, F. A. Hayek, stated his belief that social science theories can "never be verified or falsified by reference to facts."[66] Such rejections of using empirical evidence have led to the Austrian School being dismissed within the mainstream.[62]

Another general criticism of the School is that although it claims to highlight shortcomings in traditional methodology, it fails to provide viable alternatives for making positive contributions to economic theory.[67] In his critique of Austrian economics, Caplan stated that Austrian economists have often misunderstood modern economics, causing them to overstate their differences with it. He argued that several of the most important Austrian claims are false or overstated. For example, Austrian economists object to the use of cardinal utility in microeconomic theory; however, microeconomic theorists go to great pains to show that their results hold for all monotonic transformations of utility, and so are true for purely ordinal preferences.[5] (McCulloch, however, has formally shown that there are economically rational preferences to which none of these weak quantifications can be fit.[68]) He has also criticized the school for rejecting on principle the use of mathematics or econometrics. In response, Austrians argue that neoclassical economists fail to recognize hidden (and not necessarily true) assumptions they make to arrive to tractable mathematical models.[69] Austrians also claim that econometrics is fundamentally based on mathematically and logically invalid summation and averaging of demonstrably non-additive personal utility functions, and therefore is subjective.[70]

There are also criticisms of specific Austrian theories. For example, Nobel laureate and neo-Keynesian economist Paul Krugman argued that Austrian business cycle theory implies that consumption would increase during downturns, and cannot explain the empirical observation that spending in all sectors of the economy fall during a recession.[71] Austrian theorists argue a recession can result from a monetary contraction or a "credit crunch" that causes the investment boom not to shift but simply to disappear.[72] Nobel laureate Milton Friedman, after examining the history of business cycles in the US, concluded that "The Hayek-Mises explanation of the business cycle is contradicted by the evidence. It is, I believe, false."[73][74]

Economist Jeffrey Sachs states that when comparing developed free-market economies, those that have high rates of taxation and high social welfare spending perform better on most measures of economic performance compared to countries with low rates of taxation and low social outlays. He asserts that poverty rates are lower, median income is higher, the budget has larger surpluses, and the trade balance is stronger (although unemployment tends to be higher). He concludes that Friedrich Hayek was wrong when he said that high taxation would be a threat to freedom; but rather, a generous social-welfare state leads to fairness, economic equality, international competitiveness, and strong vibrant democracies.[75] In response to Sachs' article, William Easterly states that Hayek, writing in 1944, correctly recognized the dangers of large-scale state economic planning. He also questions the validity of comparing poverty levels in the Nordic countries and the United States, when the former have been moving away from social planning toward a more market-based economy, and the latter has historically taken in impoverished immigrants. Easterly also argues that laissez-faire countries were the leaders of "the ongoing global industrial revolution" which is responsible for abolishing much of the world's poverty