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The Nintendo Wii IS NOT a Gamecube article

palindrome

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So Randay, what about what Miyamoto said?

http://nintendocommunity.com/blog/460.html

The Nintendo Wii is NOT the Game Cube.

As Miyamoto says about the Wii?

?The hardware is basically a GC. We?ve upgraded our development tools to new versions but, you can still use GC programs as they are. With that in mind, I thought we could remake GC titles for the Wii and modify them to work with the Wii remote so that they?re more fun to play.?

This statement been making its speedy journey around the web, with the predictable result.

?i tuld u tha Wee sux0rs!?
?Thus proving the Wii is infact.. a repackaged gamecube?
?Rofl @ Nintendo?

The argument need to be split in half to avoid confusion. Lumping the two arguments together ends in a negative situation, where neither of the debating parties can influence the opposition.

Firstly, The Wii is GameCube 1.5?

Miyamoto, in his cute little ?Wish we had an international auxillary language to stop english speaking ?l33t? gamers from mocking our consumers? way, was accurate with his statement. The hardware is similar to the GameCube. WAIT! Don?t go running away just yet, for here is a word equation that will float your boat.

The Nintendo Wii hardware is similar to the Gamecube, as A gaming PC is similar to a Windows 95 word processing computer.

What! Says you, but my ?uber el33tzo0r? Gaming PC has 4 GB of Ram! It has 6.7 Gigahertz of processing power! THINK. Instead of thinking about the technological specifics of ?hardware capabilities?, when the above statement is made, one is referring to the style in which hardware and software are created. The Architecture of the device.

Going out on another tangent, Nintendo would not be stupid enough to make the GameCube mistake again. The GC was not a high point for flailing Nintendo. Why now, riding on the success of the Nintendo DS, an innovative handheld device that has taken the world by storm, would Nintendo choose to release an updated version of a failure?

Wii Vs Xbox360 Vs Playstation3

To be blatantly honest, the next-gen console battle will be fought between the Xbox360, and the Playstation3. Unfortunately for Sony and Microsoft, they have launched products capable of the same types of activities, with the same types of controls and the same types of games. It?s a marketing battle to see who will triumph. But for those looking for new, innovative [ie: Not BluRay] technology with an element of fun and a totally unique experience will choose the Wii. There is nothing else on the market to compete with it.

So who would buy the Wii? Just little kids right? Nintendo has many different demographics to target. From the very young, to the very old. The DS has opened the eyes of previously video game free generations, and inspired those just entering the market, as well as gameboy fans looking for a quality handheld. Half-core gamers want something fresh. they want to play with their friends and have fun. They don?t want to shell out big bucks for a gaming system, but would be happy to pay a much lower price for entertainment.

You can not compare consoles on specifications alone. You must use implementation examples to compare things. On paper, the Playstation 3 is the strongest console. Better than the Wii, better than the Xbox360. But does it have quality games? Will there be many games? Will Sony finally be able to create a game that creates a third of the hype that Halo does? Until all consoles have been released internationally, it is futile to argue over which console is ?superior? and which will succeed.

The Nintendo Wii is not a Game Cube. As the old saying goes, it?s like comparing apples and oranges. Both are in the same general class, yet there are fundamental differences that make comparing them pointless.
 
WTF? my brain hurst from trying to understand wtf you wrote about...but yes the Wii will be awesome when it comes out
 
Yeah, uh is this a callout thread? Arent those bad?


Aaaaaaaaanyway... a blog does not an article make. Sorry but your attempt to somehow bash me is ill concieved, at best.

goodbye now.
 
Originally posted by: randay
Yeah, uh is this a callout thread? Arent those bad?


Aaaaaaaaanyway... a blog does not an article make. Sorry but your attempt to somehow bash me is ill concieved, at best.

goodbye now.

It merely explains what you obviously don't understand.
 
so what? we all know this. the thing about the Wii is that it's a new type of gameplay. the PS3 and Xbox360 are nothing new. ok better graphics but apart from that...the Wii is cool because it actually brings something new.
 
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
so what? we all know this. the thing about the Wii is that it's a new type of gameplay. the PS3 and Xbox360 are nothing new. ok better graphics but apart from that...the Wii is cool because it actually brings something new.

QFT
 
That article proves nothing, it's basically saying the Wii isn't a repackaged Gamecube due to it's new control scheme. Power-wise, it's a repackaged Gamecube.
 
Originally posted by: MechaSheeba
That article proves nothing, it's basically saying the Wii isn't a repackaged Gamecube due to it's new control scheme. Power-wise, it's a repackaged Gamecube.

But...it isnt.
 
Originally posted by: MechaSheeba
That article proves nothing, it's basically saying the Wii isn't a repackaged Gamecube due to it's new control scheme. Power-wise, it's a repackaged Gamecube.

So, a McLaren F1 is basically a repackaged Civic. Right?
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: MechaSheeba
That article proves nothing, it's basically saying the Wii isn't a repackaged Gamecube due to it's new control scheme. Power-wise, it's a repackaged Gamecube.

But...it isnt.

Seriously, it's a repackaged GC in the same way that my Intel CoreTriple w/ DX10 gaming machine is a repackaged Intel Pentium I w/ 3dfx voodoo. Just because the old games from GC will run on the Wii, doesn't mean the Wii is a repackaged product. The exact same argument could then be made for Xbox360 and PS2, PS3, etc....they're all backwards compatible.
 
Why is everybody care so much about these consoles? Is Nintendo really that good of a company compared to Sony? Vice-versa? Good games will be found on all consoles, and competition is good. Besides, they cater to slightly different audiences. No reason all 3 game consoles can co-exist.
 
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: MechaSheeba
That article proves nothing, it's basically saying the Wii isn't a repackaged Gamecube due to it's new control scheme. Power-wise, it's a repackaged Gamecube.

But...it isnt.

Seriously, it's a repackaged GC in the same way that my Intel CoreTriple w/ DX10 gaming machine is a repackaged Intel Pentium I w/ 3dfx voodoo. Just because the old games from GC will run on the Wii, doesn't mean the Wii is a repackaged product. The exact same argument could then be made for Xbox360 and PS2, PS3, etc....they're all backwards compatible.

The Wii uses the same type of processor chip (the Wii's Broadway vs. the GC's Gekko) as the GC. It's just faster clock-for-clock, as well as having a faster speed. It's more like upgrading from a low-end Sempron to a high-end Athlon XP (after awhile I just stopped remembering CPU processor names) than it is going from a Pentium 1 to a Pentium 3, much less a Pentium 1 to an Intel CoreTriple w/ DX10 gaming.

The GPU is also stronger and they've doubled the RAM (or more, I don't remember). Really it's sort of like upgrading a computer that you've had for like 1 1/2 years. Consoles (like xbox and ps) normally have bigger upgrades per generation.

The Wii is different from a GC and certainly a lot more powerful, but not THAT different (ignoring the controller, obviously).
 
What makes you think the Wii is "a lot more powerful" than the Gamecube? I hardly consider going from an ~400mhz CPU to an ~700mhz CPU a significant power increase. No details have been released regarding the GPU other than the codename Hollywood. No details have been released regarding the amount of system ram. Why do you think they're keeping those numbers a secret? Because the damn thing is hardly a step up from the Gamecube. They were quick to release the GC specs back when it was reasonably comparable to the PS2/Xbox, they hesitate to now since it's an absolute dwarf of a machine compared to the competition.

I'm not saying it isn't going to be a decent console, in fact I'll be picking one up eventually when they fall into a price range I'd consider reasonable, but you can't argue that the Wii isn't a very slightly upgraded Gamecube, it doesn't matter what kind of remote you add.
 
MechaSheeba,

I tried to make my post as unbiased as possible. Besides nearly a 100% increase in processing power, the Wii processor is also faster clock for clock. ie, how the Athlon 64 was faster clock for clock than a P4... or something (again, I'm bad at these analogies).

Anyway, if I had to pick a corner, I'd be in the PS3 corner. I'll probably get a PS3 in 2007 at some point, but I probably won't get a Wii (the reason is because I'm not a full "gamer." I want the blu-ray and the media capabilities). I say this because your tone makes it seem like you think me a defender of the Wii and the Wii alone. Please look at my post at 6:46 PM.
 
No details. So HTF do you know there isn't a massive performance difference from the 700 "Broadway" chip against the 400 "Gecko" one?

You can't simply look at MHz. AMD taught us that years ago.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
No details. So HTF do you know there isn't a massive performance difference from the 700 "Broadway" chip against the 400 "Gecko" one?

You can't simply look at MHz. AMD taught us that years ago.

I believe they're both essentially PowerPC G3s.

However, Nintendo isn't doing HD resolutions. How much more power do you NEED to do 640x480? Both the processor and video card are about twice as fast as the GameCube.
 
Originally posted by: fanerman91
MechaSheeba,

I tried to make my post as unbiased as possible. Besides nearly a 50% increase in processing power, the Wii processor is also faster clock for clock. ie, how the Athlon 64 was faster clock for clock than a P4... or something (again, I'm bad at these analogies).

There's no evidence supporting that..

The Wii is going to be the only console that's profitable out of the box, because the hardware is so low tech, it simply doesn't cost very much to produce and that's including all the extras like wifi and the memory card reader. Not that it matters, if the games are fun the console will be successful. There's no doubt in my mind that the Wii is going to be a hit, that's not the point people are trying to make by saying that the Wii is a "repackaged" Gamecube.

Xbox: 733mhz, Geforce4 MX, 64mb ram -> 360: multi core 3.2ghz, 500mhz 48 pipe ATI chip, 512mb ram
PS2: 300mhz, 147mhz GPU, 32mb ram -> PS3: multi core 3.2ghz, 550mhz GPU, 512mb ram, blu-ray
Gamecube: 485mhz, 162mhz GPU, ~40mb ram (24 main 16 auxiliary) -> Wii 729mhz, unreleased specs

Not to mention the format war between MS/Sony while Nintendo dropped DVD support for the Wii to further lower production costs.
 
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