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If we didn't have people like you guys that get their jollies off destruction, we wouldn't have wars in the first place. Wether you are the aggressor or the "defender" you are still participating in close-minded slaughter. Why do I have a feeling I'm trying to discuss this with some 16 year old in his mom's basement who plays too much counter-strike.

And if we didn't have 40 year-old combat veterans attempting to impart real world wisdom and experience on a bunch of dangerously pacifistic, screwball 21 year-old terrorist sympathizers................
 
Well of course, Vetrans are going to justify their actions as the right thing to do. Truth is relative.
 
Czar vs The right wing NRA supporting Red Necks Hicks ( God Kill 'em all )


Hmmm.......

It seems Americans have forgotten VIETNAM so fast. Remember 75,000 fallen ones ????
You got beaten so black and blue by the little oriental men you fled like rabbits runnign from a tiger.
Shame Shame !!!! So called super power !!!!
What will happen in Afganisthan is also the same. Just wait a few months more. Once the body bags start rolling in, your pussy public will start crying and call off this PROPAGANDA war in a few days.

Anyways, this post is not for the average joe who gets his information of whats going around the world through American PROPAGANDA like CNN/TIME/NBC/CBS.
To get the TRUTH you have to venture further away from your trash lives.
Try using the power of internet for some real knowledge.
Try reading Pakistan's biggest daily , DAWN and also India's premier papers like Express India, TOI, HT etc . Give BBC a glance sometimes.
De Speigel from Germany also another one. Try some ISraeli dailes.
I will not even bother linking it as if you do not know what these papers are, then no use reading them now.

Here is some truth to the so called "WAR ON TERRORISM".
The afghans are using the US military for their own personal fueds. Its like US is so DUMBO they are falling into these beloved patriot's traps so easily. Americans do not understand Afghan culture and their history. Everything to US is black and white. Well the world is not that simple. If it were, towel heads would not have used American planes as misslies into buildings.
US is not a country run by low IQ people. Yet they are behaving like that. It seems they are too frustrated they cannot even find one person Osama. Afghans now use US Special Forces to destroy personal enemies and gain terrotiry.
Example #1. Mazar i Sharif : A Afghan warlord misled the US into that situation.
Example #2 The predator incident : Again AMERICANS bombed wrong people from a Spy plane .
In fact they were Tribal Afganis against another Warlord.
Example #3 AC 130 Gunship attack against a concoy supposed to be carrying AL Queda members: Turned out they were other Tribal leaders with their families coming to Kabul for Loya Jirga.
Example#4 The present battle against so called "AL Queda". If I were a Afghani I would be laughing my a$$ off.

What a better way to waste American lives.....


I am in no way saying the people who died did not deserve that, at least US is eradicating potential troublemakers.
But try finishing off the real ones first.



 
<<If we didn't have people like you guys that get their jollies off destruction, we wouldn't have wars in the first place>>

Unfortunately, we do have people that like war....they are known as Muslim extremists, among many others. That is the point you're missing, and the only one that matters.
To whine like you are and say "too bad there are warlike people, or we wouldn't have any way" is completely useless. The fact of the matter is, we do have people like that, always have, and always will. Countries like the US are the ones tasked with dealing with them. I think we're doing a great job of it, too.
 
And so if we ever want actually stop the cycle of war, making the same mistakes, then we don't continue participating in it, we set an example.

 
Well of course, Vetrans are going to justify their actions as the right thing to do. Truth is relative.

Painful, isn't it?

And so if we ever want actually stop the cycle of war, making the same mistakes, then we don't continue participating in it, we set an example.

May I come over tonight and destroy your house? Obviously you are blinded by the difference between survival and appeasement.
 
Hey Subhuman Misra, like, get the fsck out, dude, you fscking scumbag leech and hightail it back to your barbaric country full of enlightened morons bent on murdering each other.

Good thing the wind blows from the west, I would hate to subject myself from the stench wafting from your vicinity.

Yeah we're soooo "dumbo", but then again we're teaching your sorry ass aren't we? Guess that makes you even more stupid.
 
Czar vs The right wing NRA supporting Red Necks Hicks ( God Kill 'em all )

Nothing 'redneck' about contesting dangerously pacifistic views.

Hmmm.......

It seems Americans have forgotten VIETNAM so fast. Remember 75,000 fallen ones ????

58,000

You got beaten so black and blue by the little oriental men you fled like rabbits runnign from a tiger.
Shame Shame !!!! So called super power !!!!

Supported by China and the Soviet Union.

What will happen in Afganisthan is also the same. Just wait a few months more. Once the body bags start rolling in, your pussy public will start crying and call off this PROPAGANDA war in a few days.

Your analogy is flawed. Vietnam provided many lessons for the US. JDAMs are falling and destroying all the trash in that region screaming Jihad, Jihad!. If they weren't party to belligerents, they would surrender. Don't like it, do you?

Anyways, this post is not for the average joe who gets his information of whats going around the world through American PROPAGANDA like CNN/TIME/NBC/CBS.
To get the TRUTH you have to venture further away from your trash lives.

Try using the power of internet for some real knowledge.
Try reading Pakistan's biggest daily , DAWN and also India's premier papers like Express India, TOI, HT etc .

Both are biased and inaccurate.

Give BBC a glance sometimes.

Old, accurate and worth looking at.

De Speigel from Germany also another one. Try some ISraeli dailes.

To begin with 'De Speigel' is known as "Der Spiegel" or The Mirror. The Israeli dailies, while accurate, carry an obvious bias.

I will not even bother linking it as if you do not know what these papers are, then no use reading them now.

Der Spiegel is much better in print. Oder? Ich glaube ja.

Here is some truth to the so called "WAR ON TERRORISM".
The afghans are using the US military for their own personal fueds. Its like US is so DUMBO they are falling into these beloved patriot's traps so easily. Americans do not understand Afghan culture and their history. Everything to US is black and white. Well the world is not that simple. If it were, towel heads would not have used American planes as misslies into buildings.
US is not a country run by low IQ people. Yet they are behaving like that. It seems they are too frustrated they cannot even find one person Osama. Afghans now use US Special Forces to destroy personal enemies and gain terrotiry.

Patience remains a virtue. Intelligence or HUMINT, to be more specific, isn't the greatest in the region, but is improving.

Example #1. Mazar i Sharif : A Afghan warlord misled the US into that situation.

Prison uprising by a bunch of lunatic nutcases screaming Jihad, Jihad! Uprising put down by the most efficient means available.

Example #2 The predator incident : Again AMERICANS bombed wrong people from a Spy plane .
In fact they were Tribal Afganis against another Warlord.

Yet to be proven.

Example #3 AC 130 Gunship attack against a concoy supposed to be carrying AL Queda members: Turned out they were other Tribal leaders with their families coming to Kabul for Loya Jirga.

One mistake out of four you've mentioned. Nevertheless, your intepretation of the "facts" leaves much to be desired.

Example#4 The present battle against so called "AL Queda". If I were a Afghani I would be laughing my a$$ off.

Al-Qaeda isn't. :Q

What a better way to waste American lives.....

If an American dies defending our country against a bunch of animals screaming Jihad, Jihad, his/her life was in no means wasted.

I am in no way saying the people who died did not deserve that, at least US is eradicating potential troublemakers.
But try finishing off the real ones first.

Make no mistake, when we find them, we will.
 
The US could have won Vietnam, we didnt because of political reasons. No, not those political reasons(58,000 dead), we wouldnt have had that many dead if it wasnt for members of Congress. We HAD communists(if you sympathise for the communists, you're a communist) in the House and Senate, as well as others in congress having communist ties. They prevented the US from doing what we should have done at the begining of the conflict, instead we didnt start doing it till the war was winding down and we were pulling out. The US won't let congress dictat what we can and cant do in war again...
 


<< And so if we ever want actually stop the cycle of war, making the same mistakes, then we don't continue participating in it, we set an example.
 >>



Novon,

I wish we could set up a little country for people who believe like you do. Because if there was a country like that, and you get invaded or conquered, I would honor your extreme pacifist beliefs by not coming to your rescue.
 


<< If we didn't have people like you guys that get their jollies off destruction, we wouldn't have wars in the first place. Wether you are the aggressor or the "defender" you are still participating in close-minded slaughter. Why do I have a feeling I'm trying to discuss this with some 16 year old in his mom's basement who plays too much counter-strike. >>



So, lets think for a moment. If Al-Qaeda was located in canada in great enough numbers to be significant, and they decided to invade, what would you do? Talk your differences out? They arent going to change their minds. They're fanatics, and fanatics are people the cant change their minds, and wont change the subject. Demonstrate to express your viewpoint? They open up with an AK-47 and that will be the end of your demonstration. You going to try bending over, start wearing a turban, growing a beard, and going to a mosque in the hopes that they wont kill you and rape your mother/sister/wife? Hate to break it to you, but no sane person in Vietnam enjoyed the war. Combat does make a few people go nuts.

Pacifism works in theory, just like communism. Maybe in never-never land, no one tries to take anything by force. Unfortunately, the rest of us are living in the real world. *waves to novon in never-never land* Come join us some time.



<< Truth is relative. >>



Really? So, if I kick you in the nuts, I can say I didnt, and be correct, because truth is relative, right?
 
<<And so if we ever want actually stop the cycle of war, making the same mistakes, then we don't continue participating in it, we set an example.>>

That's the point you're missing. We can't set an example. It won't work. Just because we don't participate doesn't mean the sub-humans will stop waging war. They won't.
So put that thought out of your head. It's a nice thought, but isn't and never will be realistic. You have to realize we're dealing with barbaric, medieval-thinking idiots. They don't have the same standards we do, and therefore won't come to the conclusion you'd like them to if we stopped fighting.
So we're left with the alternative, which is to take an active role in preserving our way of life. We've tried doing nothing, and look where it got us.



 


<<
That's the point you're missing. We can't set an example. It won't work. Just because we don't participate doesn't mean the sub-humans will stop waging war. They won't.
So put that thought out of your head. It's a nice thought, but isn't and never will be realistic. You have to realize we're dealing with barbaric, medieval-thinking idiots. They don't have the same standards we do, and therefore won't come to the conclusion you'd like them to if we stopped fighting.
So we're left with the alternative, which is to take an active role in preserving our way of life. We've tried doing nothing, and look where it got us.
>>



Precisely. And we have history to back it up.

What did trying to pacify FARC get the Columbians? They gave them a big chunk of land -- only to have FARC continue to kidnap and hold hostages for money, continue their killing, continue to deal in drugs, and just make life miserable for everybody.

What did it get the Europeans who tried to pacify Hitler?
 


<< The US could have won Vietnam, we didnt because of political reasons. No, not those political reasons(58,000 dead), we wouldnt have had that many dead if it wasnt for members of Congress. We HAD communists(if you sympathise for the communists, you're a communist) in the House and Senate, as well as others in congress having communist ties. They prevented the US from doing what we should have done at the begining of the conflict, instead we didnt start doing it till the war was winding down and we were pulling out. The US won't let congress dictat what we can and cant do in war again... >>



And you feel perfectly fine posting that drivel ? I bet you weren't even alive back then.
 
Red, while it wasn't "commie" senators that were the cause for our failure in Vietnam, the military was politically hamstrung.
 


<< Truth is relative. >>



This is the supidest statement on earth. Are you absolutely certain that the truth is relative? Or is it relatively relative i.e. sometimes absolute?

The problem with your claim that the truth is relative is that it is self defeating. Your claim is an absolute claim. Your claim is inherently flawed. It is self-contradictory. You claim that the truth is relative CANNOT be correct. It falsifies itself.
 


<< The problem with your claim that the truth is relative is that it is self defeating. Your claim is an absolute claim. Your claim is inherently flawed. It is self-contradictory. You claim that the truth is relative CANNOT be correct. It falsifies itself. >>


What he said.

Truth is truth. Perception is relative.
 


<< Red, while it wasn't "commie" senators that were the cause for our failure in Vietnam, the military was politically hamstrung. >>

I agree Corn. It was the Politicians fault for getting us involved in such a BS mess in the First place. As for for the "Commies" in Congress, you couldn't have been more wrong if you really tried. Those politicians who opposed the war, especially from 68 on, mainly were just echoing the sentiments of their Constituancy.Calling them Communisat Sympathisers is not only false, but profoundly ignorant.
 
Czar said . . .



<< I will not pick sides untill I am forced to.

Congratulations, Czar. You have officially learned nothing from history. Your attitude resonates very strongly with something I read once.

When they came for the Communists, I said nothing, because I?m not a Communist.

When they came for the Gypsies, I said nothing, because I?m not a Gypsy.

When they came for the Polish, I said nothing, because I?m not Polish.

When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I?m not Jewish.

When they came for me, there was no-one left to object.

 


<< It seems Americans have forgotten VIETNAM so fast. Remember 75,000 fallen ones ???? >>



Rather 58,000. The enemy suffered at least 1,000,000 deaths. Really, we lost? Go back to your eighth grade history class.



<< Amen to Czar >>





<< Yea, Czar is on a roll in this thread. Congrats. >>



Yep, amen to being a closed-minded terrorist sympathizer.
 
Hmmm, something must have got lost in the translation Red. I used the quotation marks around "commie" in relation to LH's post, not that I actually believe that they were commies sypathisers. My point was that while I don't believe that our congress had any real commie sympathisers, it was the weak legislative and executive branches of our government that didn't allow our military to wage a winable war.

The real problem was there was never any real compelling reason to incur the casualties necessary to overwhelm our enemy. It's a tough sell sending hundreds of thousands of our sons to their deaths against an enemy that didn't really pose an imminent threat against our people--ala Hitler.

After Korea, I just can't comprehend why the powers that be wanted to repeat history all over again. We shouldn't have been in Vietnam in the first place, but as soon as we committed ourselves, we should have fought to win, not pussyfooted around trying to keep casualties light enough to sway public opinion against the conflict. Vietnam was half assed, put your foot in the amazon to test the temps, get bitten by a swarm of pirhana, only to dip the foot back in the water again and again.

We didn't have the resolve back then, and it lead to the murder of millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese people after we abandoned them--it was shameful the way we entered that conflict--and even more shameful the way we left it.

 


<< Hmmm, something must have got lost in the translation Red >>

You I got lost in the translation, thanks for not flaming me🙂 My post orignally was long and redundant so I decided to edit it to summarize my thoughts and I obviously screwed up.


BTW, I totally agree with everything you said about Viet Nam!
 
Czar & novon are a couple of fools living in lala land, but I can't fault them for that. The world needs people like them. Someone has to be willing to lay down so others can walk over them.
 


<< All the whiny ass Euros need to crack a history book and take a look at something called the Bataan Death March....maybe after reading and learning a bit they will shut the flip up about how we are "mistreating" the a-holes down in Camp X-Ray. >>



This statement is so idiotic I'm at a loss for a reply. Not that I can't think of one, I just can't dumb it down to a point where you'd understand it.
 
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