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the next mod to my car WILL be this... sooo much HP

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: Valhalla1
for one, a superchanger doesnt neccessarily mean a big blower on the hood like that. in fact it usually doesnt.
secondly, it says 'why spend 6 g's and give up all that fuel economy' well dumbass, superchargers actually increase your fuel economy
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How does that work?

My 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP gets about 33 mpg highway, but in the city I get <20 :Q And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
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Yes, an S/C will do nothing to increase fuel economy.
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Yeah but on that Pontiac, the top gear is probably really high. I get 28mpg highway with my 2.4L I4 w/ 155hp. Then again, driving at 65 I get 35mpg and I don't know what speed he goes.
 
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
A supercharger will never increase fuel economy. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. Neither do turbos. You are talkiing about "waste energy". Well guess what. THat "waste energy" is used at the same time the exhaust pistons are moving up. That's like saying you can put a restrictor plate on your exhaust and not lose any efficiency because that's just waste energy. Also, it's not being "converted to usable energy". It's being used to stuff more air into the engine, which burns more fuel.

Give me an example of a car that has more mpg with forced induction than without or stop posting bullsh!t.
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I second that.

Superchargers and turbochargers work on the principle of coverting waste energy back into useable energy.
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No, supercharged are powered directly by the engine. Don't you have a supercharged mustang? If you do, and don't know that, you're pretty dumb.


Id put that intake on my trunk, and make it face backwards.
 
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: Valhalla1
for one, a superchanger doesnt neccessarily mean a big blower on the hood like that. in fact it usually doesnt.
secondly, it says 'why spend 6 g's and give up all that fuel economy' well dumbass, superchargers actually increase your fuel economy
Click to expand...

How does that work?

My 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP gets about 33 mpg highway, but in the city I get <20 :Q And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
Click to expand...

Yes, an S/C will do nothing to increase fuel economy.
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Yeah but on that Pontiac, the top gear is probably really high. I get 28mpg highway with my 2.4L I4 w/ 155hp. Then again, driving at 65 I get 35mpg and I don't know what speed he goes.
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It was an average taken from a trip where I went 60mph for 30 miles and 70mph for another 30 miles.
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
A supercharger will never increase fuel economy. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. Neither do turbos. You are talkiing about "waste energy". Well guess what. THat "waste energy" is used at the same time the exhaust pistons are moving up. That's like saying you can put a restrictor plate on your exhaust and not lose any efficiency because that's just waste energy. Also, it's not being "converted to usable energy". It's being used to stuff more air into the engine, which burns more fuel.

Give me an example of a car that has more mpg with forced induction than without or stop posting bullsh!t.
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I second that.

Superchargers and turbochargers work on the principle of coverting waste energy back into useable energy.
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No, supercharged are powered directly by the engine. Don't you have a supercharged mustang? If you do, and don't know that, you're pretty dumb.


Id put that intake on my trunk, and make it face backwards.
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I clearly stated that this principle is much less effective with a supercharger for that very reason.

 
If only it weren't $200, this would be the ultimate practical joke accessory for anyone's dumb wannabe ricer friends... 🙂
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
What If I were to mount that on my roof? Imagine how pimp I would be then!
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I was thinking the same thing! It would be totally blingin on the roof of my Civic!
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus What If I were to mount that on my roof? Imagine how pimp I would be then!
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I was thinking the same thing! It would be totally blingin on the roof of my Civic!
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I was thinking of putting 2 of them on my hood. I would look twice as cool!!!!!


-MC
 
Originally posted by: MattCo
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus What If I were to mount that on my roof? Imagine how pimp I would be then!
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I was thinking the same thing! It would be totally blingin on the roof of my Civic!
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I was thinking of putting <STRONG>2</STRONG> of them on my hood. I would look twice as cool!!!!!


-MC
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5-second GIMP

I think we're on to something here....
 
Originally posted by: AIWGuru
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: Valhalla1
for one, a superchanger doesnt neccessarily mean a big blower on the hood like that. in fact it usually doesnt.
secondly, it says 'why spend 6 g's and give up all that fuel economy' well dumbass, superchargers actually increase your fuel economy
Click to expand...

How does that work?

My 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP gets about 33 mpg highway, but in the city I get <20 :Q And I'm not even pushing it that hard.
Click to expand...

Superchargers and turbochargers work on the principle of coverting waste energy back into useable energy. For example, a turbo charger will take exaust (waste) and use it to turn a turbine which then puts compressed air into the cyclendar. That means less room needed for air which translated to a little more air and a little more fuel. This gives you more power and, if you don't need it, more fuel economy. (less energy needed for air pump) Same basic principle with the super charger except less so as it adds friction to the shaft.
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INCORRECT.

Superchargers run off a ribbed or cogged belt and draw power directly from the crankshaft. They use a significant amount of horsepower to run, but more than make up for it by forcing more air into the engine and thus producing horsepower.

Turbochargers run off of exhaust gas velocity by funnelling exhaust gas into a turbine. Adding a turbo will reduce the efficiency of the exhaust system (adding backpressure), which hurts horsepower, but like the supercharger more than makes up for it by forcing air into the intake.

Neither device will increase the efficiency at which fuel and air is burned.
 
So let me get this straight:
You admit that a supercharger draws power from the engine and takes HP away from the engine to run.
Then you admit that it puts more HP and energy BACK into the engine than it takes out.
You know what that's called?
Efficiency.
 
No because it uses more energy to get more energy. The supercharger/ turbocharger is parisitic on the engines efficiency. It just makes it so you can burn more fuel for more energy. Hell i'd say it even makes the car less efficient.
 
Originally posted by: Valhalla1
for one, a superchanger doesnt neccessarily mean a big blower on the hood like that. in fact it usually doesnt.
secondly, it says 'why spend 6 g's and give up all that fuel economy' well dumbass, superchargers actually increase your fuel economy
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Not when you're on boost they don't! More air in the combustion chamber = more fuel burned. There's also the slight efficiency loss from the parasitic drag of the supercharger belt.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: AIWGuru
So let me get this straight:
You admit that a supercharger draws power from the engine and takes HP away from the engine to run.
Then you admit that it puts more HP and energy BACK into the engine than it takes out.
You know what that's called?
Efficiency.
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No, because the "power" that it's putting back in is created by burning more fuel. A supercharger or a turbocharger (more properly a turbine-driven centrifugal supercharger) increases power per unit of displacement but it does not increase power per unit of fuel burned.

The fuel-oxygen mixture must be kept at a given ratio in order for combustion to occur. If there is more air (i.e. denser or "compressed" air that contains more oxygen) in the combustion chamber (e.g. as in the case of a forced-induction system or the case of the injection of an oxygen-rich gas such as nitrous oxide) then more fuel is injected in order to maintain the proper fuel-oxygen ratio. If you're running positive manifold pressure, your fuel economy will be less than the fuel economy of an otherwise identical engine without forced induction.

ZV
 
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