The next great Online Multiplayer arena shoooter-style FPS game

[WhipperSnapper]

What will be the next great Online Multiplayer arena shooter (as opposed to a tactical WWII type of shooter)? Are there even any in production? Quake 3 never had a proper sequel and Epic Games did an awful job with UT3 (as it stood at the time of its release) and it never felt as good as the original UT99. So, where do we go from here? Is anything intended for serious online multiplayer in the pipeline?

 

[EvilComputer92]

In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

What UT3 scandal?

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

What UT3 scandal?

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

Find UT3 in that list and then look at the other two games.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

What UT3 scandal?

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

Find UT3 in that list and then look at the other two games.

I still don't get the scandal part; I can see that the game was not well received, and that it's very low on the list with hardly any supporters, but I'm not sure if there was an actual scandal or you are just trying to state that the game sucked and nobody plays it?

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

What UT3 scandal?

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

Find UT3 in that list and then look at the other two games.

I still don't get the scandal part; I can see that the game was not well received, and that it's very low on the list with hardly any supporters, but I'm not sure if there was an actual scandal or you are just trying to state that the game sucked and nobody plays it?

Pretty much the latter. Although at launch there was a pretty big uproar over all the issues the game had. Now I personally don't think it sucks at all, but the fact is that it has not been well received by the player base for a variety of reasons.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I agree that the best bet might be for Epic to produce a UT4. However, to succeed it would need to replicate the feel and game play of the original Unreal Tournament (1999) almost 100% while also having a stellar user interface and server browser--something completely different from the consolized crap they put out in UT3 and better than what we had in UT 2004--which as it stands now is pretty good. Sadly, I don't think Epic completely understands that.

 

[Maleficus]

Gaming today is all about making everyone feel good, the idea of an entirely skill based game does not sit will with modern gamers. As such there will most likely never be another real competitive shooter, if there is it will die instantly and the company will go under from 0 sales.

Also don't call UT3 the last shooter because it was pathetic, UT2k4, Quake 3, hell even Warsow, anything but one of these new pieces of crap.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

Huxley isn't really vaporware, the developer is korean so I don't theink a lot of people hear about it in the US though. There's actually a lot of media out there for it if you look around, and the US beta is supposed to be pretty soon. I doubt it'll be a good DM fps but who knows.

 

[imported_Hazy]

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

Huxley isn't really vaporware, the developer is korean so I don't theink a lot of people hear about it in the US though. There's actually a lot of media out there for it if you look around, and the US beta is supposed to be pretty soon. I doubt it'll be a good DM fps but who knows.

Huxley is being hosted on ijji

Beta is coming soon, it's no longer vaporware

 

[AlucardX]

quakelive is awesome.. i mean obviously i was always a fan of q3a and played alot of rocket arena.. you may not be considering it cuz it's based on a 10year old game but it's still a lot of fun.. :beer:

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: Hazy

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
In all honesty, the answer is no. After the whole UT3 scandal, no game studio is even going close to the arena shooter gameplay. Perhaps Quake Live but that's hardly a new game, simply a port of Quake 3. Huxley is supposed to retain the UT gameplay and bring it to an MMO, but it's been vaporware for a while.

At this point the fastest games are going to be things like COD4 and its knockoffs.

UT3 is probably going to be the last arena shooter. Really I think the only hope is that Epic will develop another Unreal game because no one else is going even near the arena shooter style. ID is working on Rage and then Doom 4 so they already have their hands full.

Huxley isn't really vaporware, the developer is korean so I don't theink a lot of people hear about it in the US though. There's actually a lot of media out there for it if you look around, and the US beta is supposed to be pretty soon. I doubt it'll be a good DM fps but who knows.

Huxley is being hosted on ijji

Beta is coming soon, it's no longer vaporware

funny I heard the same thing about Duke Nukem a year or so ago

 

[Zenoth]

Why waiting for the next one. Why always waiting for the "next big thing". No one forces gamers to stay away from older and better games, unless of course gamers who don't play older games despise the outdated graphics, which of course would certainly not surprise me. I for one am lucky enough, I'd presume (at least from the point of view of someone who dislikes recent such games), to honestly like UT3, but even if I do, I still from time to time play UT2004 and UT99, and I still play although more rarely my good ol' Quake III Arena (yes, there are still players playing that game, heck I see see 50+ gamers on-line playing it during some week-ends while I can only count 12 players in a game like Empire: TW on a Friday, Saturday and even Sunday night).

I would find it very boring to be a gamer who only likes "the next big thing" in specific genre just to "finally have something to put under my teeth", I'd find time to be extremely long, and honestly I'd rather move along and simply stay away from video gaming in general, because we all know that waiting for such miracles is everything but feasible nowadays when only profits and console ports are occurring. Just get past the graphics appreciation phase if you can, and go back with the games you liked "before", would be the only logical way I'd see for a gamer who don't see the light at the end of the tunnel at the moment for a specific genre.

 

[Udgnim]

I'll be shocked if there is going to be one for PC.

the closest for console is Halo 3

people can dream id is going to put a new one out with whatever game they're working on, but I honestly think the genre is dead

people are too used to "realistic weapon" FPS shooters now, and have no interest in sci-fi multiplayer FPS at all

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Why waiting for the next one. Why always waiting for the "next big thing". No one forces gamers to stay away from older and better games, unless of course gamers who don't play older games despise the outdated graphics, which of course would certainly not surprise me. I for one am lucky enough, I'd presume (at least from the point of view of someone who dislikes recent such games), to honestly like UT3, but even if I do, I still from time to time play UT2004 and UT99...

I still play UT99 capture-the-flag PUG matches now-and-then, UT 2004 Onslaught and Invasion Monster Mash RPG, and a little UT3 CTF. However--a large, thriving community can offer all sorts of things that the small communities cannot offer:

• Populated servers for just about every game type 24/7. (When was the last time you played UT99 Domination line?)
  
  The excitement of being able to discover new custom maps and, for mappers, having a community for whom you can produce and release new maps.
  
  Large numbers of online communities and servers and new ones for you to discover. Back in UT99's heyday, this was part of the fun. It wasn't just a game, it could also be an adventure.
  
  Clan and competitive activity.

I'd actually be perfectly happy to play UT99 or UT 2004 all the time if it were possible to find 1000+ people on each or most game types 24/7. That's what a first-rate, excellent, successful arena-style FPS could offer us.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Udgnim
I'll be shocked if there is going to be one for PC.

the closest for console is Halo 3

people can dream id is going to put a new one out with whatever game they're working on, but I honestly think the genre is dead

people are too used to "realistic weapon" FPS shooters now, and have no interest in sci-fi multiplayer FPS at all

Well, the genre might be dead for right now, but presumably someone will try to resurrect it in the future. Perhaps it will be Epic Games and UT4, though I've more or less given up all faith and hope in Epic.

 

[Check]

My vote is for Half Life 3

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I haven't played TF2, but Counter-Strike counts as a "tactical shooter" and not an arena shooter, so for the most part I don't think Half Life 3 would count. Also, it's kind of implicit in this discussion that the game should also be very friendly to custom maps and mods, which as far as I know, TF2 is not. (Maybe I'm wrong.)

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: Udgnim
I'll be shocked if there is going to be one for PC.

the closest for console is Halo 3

people can dream id is going to put a new one out with whatever game they're working on, but I honestly think the genre is dead

people are too used to "realistic weapon" FPS shooters now, and have no interest in sci-fi multiplayer FPS at all

The fact that you compared Halo 3 to arena shooters like UT2k4 hurts my soul.

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Why waiting for the next one. Why always waiting for the "next big thing". No one forces gamers to stay away from older and better games, unless of course gamers who don't play older games despise the outdated graphics, which of course would certainly not surprise me. I for one am lucky enough, I'd presume (at least from the point of view of someone who dislikes recent such games), to honestly like UT3, but even if I do, I still from time to time play UT2004 and UT99, and I still play although more rarely my good ol' Quake III Arena (yes, there are still players playing that game, heck I see see 50+ gamers on-line playing it during some week-ends while I can only count 12 players in a game like Empire: TW on a Friday, Saturday and even Sunday night).

I would find it very boring to be a gamer who only likes "the next big thing" in specific genre just to "finally have something to put under my teeth", I'd find time to be extremely long, and honestly I'd rather move along and simply stay away from video gaming in general, because we all know that waiting for such miracles is everything but feasible nowadays when only profits and console ports are occurring. Just get past the graphics appreciation phase if you can, and go back with the games you liked "before", would be the only logical way I'd see for a gamer who don't see the light at the end of the tunnel at the moment for a specific genre.

There is not 1 single UT2k4 server with UTComp hosted in the US, makes it fairly difficult to play the game. I should clarify, I'm talking about TDM, there are still a few duel servers around.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: Udgnim
I'll be shocked if there is going to be one for PC.

the closest for console is Halo 3

people can dream id is going to put a new one out with whatever game they're working on, but I honestly think the genre is dead

people are too used to "realistic weapon" FPS shooters now, and have no interest in sci-fi multiplayer FPS at all

The fact that you compared Halo 3 to arena shooters like UT2k4 hurts my soul.

:laugh:

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

I think TF2 is going to be the closet we'll have for a while. As for Quake III never having a true sequel, what's wrong with Quake IV. I'll admit that it would've been nice if there would've been some new game modes (kinda like Onslaught from UT2k4), but I think it's a good successor.

 

[AlucardX]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
I think TF2 is going to be the closet we'll have for a while. As for Quake III never having a true sequel, what's wrong with Quake IV. I'll admit that it would've been nice if there would've been some new game modes (kinda like Onslaught from UT2k4), but I think it's a good successor.

q4 has hardly any active players...

i'll just keep playing quakelive and enjoying it

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: AlucardX

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
I think TF2 is going to be the closet we'll have for a while. As for Quake III never having a true sequel, what's wrong with Quake IV. I'll admit that it would've been nice if there would've been some new game modes (kinda like Onslaught from UT2k4), but I think it's a good successor.

q4 has hardly any active players...

i'll just keep playing quakelive and enjoying it

I had Q4 not tht long after release and there were barely any active players then. Not sure why that game failed so badly from a multiplayer perspective, but it was a ghost town almost from the very start.

KT

 

[brblx]

i think it failed as an MP game because they marketed it for its SP (which sucked). i played the some CTF and DM when it came out, and i thought it felt pretty good. abandoned the campaign less than halfway, through. if i wanted a doom mod i wouldn't have paid fifty bucks for it.

i miss quake, but what i really want is another tribes. really the multiplayer FPS market in general is going down the shitter, there's practically nothing newer with lots of people except valve games.

edit: i want a proper battlefield, too. BF2 was out for years and is still in beta. 2142 was a shitty mod, and 1943, well, is WWII. and it's having all the fun stuff nuked to make it better for newbies.