The New Powers the FBI Just Granted Itself

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110613/ts_atlantic/newpowersfbijustgranteditself38763

The Federal Bureau of Investigations has rewritten its own operations manual, giving its agents more autonomy than ever to conduct low-level searches without a paper trail. As The New York Times reported today, there's no court decision or change in privacy laws governing the bureau's search techniques. Rather, the 2011 update to the 2008 Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide changes the bureau's own guidelines. But some of the new powers trouble privacy activists even though they're perfectly legal. Here's what FBI agents will be allowed to do under the new guidelines:

Undocumented database searches: Right now, agents can search commercial and law enforcement databases for any individual or organization they want, even without real evidence of wrongdoing, but they must officially open a so-called assessment inquiry. "Under the new rules, agents will be allowed to search such databases without making a record about their decision," The Times reports. ACLU lawyer and former FBI agent Michael German said that would make it "harder to detect and deter inappropriate use of databases for personal purposes," but Valerie Caproni, the FBI's general counsel, "said it was too cumbersome to require agents to open formal inquiries before running quick checks."

Lie-detector tests: Under the current rulebook, agents can't administer a lie-detector test until they open a "preliminary investigation," which requires a factual basis for suspected wrongdoing (unlike the assessment). The new rules will allow agents to use lie-detector tests not just on suspects, but on potential informants, in an investigation considered an assessment.

Trash searches: Similar to the relaxed restriction on lie-detector tests, agents will be able to search the trash of a potential informant as part of an assessment. "Agents have asked for that power in part because they want the ability to use information found in a subject’s trash to put pressure on that person to assist the government in the investigation of others. But Ms. Caproni said information gathered that way could also be useful for other reasons, like determining whether the subject might pose a threat to agents."

Surveillance squads: The current guidelines stipulate that these highly trained squads can only be used on a target once during an assessment. The new rules would allow them to be used multiple times, but keep in place limits on the duration of physical surveillance. Caproni told The Times that overuse of the squads would be curbed because of tight resources at the Bureau.

"Undisclosed participation" in organizations: The special rules governing agents' and informants' attendance of meetings and surreptitious participation in organizations on which they are gathering information haven't been made public. But the new rules clearly state that agents or informants can freely attend five meetings of an organization before those rules apply.

Authorizing informants at religious ceremonies: In this case, the FBI tightened its restrictions: "Currently, a special agent in charge of a field office can delegate the authority to approve sending an informant to a religious service. The new manual will require such officials to handle those decisions personally."

Investigating public officials: Some investigations, including those into public officials, are considered sensitive and call for additional oversight. Under the new rules, investigations into public officials, if the official is a victim or a witness rather than the target of an investigation, the additional oversight won't be called for. "Also excluded from extra supervision will be investigations of low- and midlevel officials for activities unrelated to their position — like drug cases as opposed to corruption, for example."

Investigating scholars and members of the news media: Investigations into members of the press and academic scholars are also considered sensitive, and call for extra supervisions. The new rules make a distinction between bloggers as members of the press: "Prominent bloggers would count, but not people who have low-profile blogs," but the details of that distinction are unclear. The new rules also "limit academic protections only to scholars who work for institutions based in the United States."


I have sort of mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, these new "rules" will make it easier for the FBI to conduct investigations,
But on the other hand, it seems like they're getting closer to the "Secret Police" status.
 

Macamus Prime

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Just like it's expected that corporations know everything about it's employees - to safe guard and protect it's interests - our government is utilizing this approach, to have full visibility into the lives of it's employees,... I mean citizens.

We are no longer being served by our government. You are chained to a corporate like entity that decides our well being and lives, all in the name of special interests. We turned the wheel over to someone who wants to go 100 mph, on a road littered with sharp glass and ends with 1,000 foot drop cliff.
 

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Unless I"m reading it incorrectly, they're just writing it in their manuals that they can search publicly available information on an informant. Big deal. I'm not worried about different rules on lie detector tests as obviously I'm aware if I'm being tested. "Commercially available" databases sounds like a google search, and law enforcement databases sounds like something they should have access to anyway. "Surveillance squads", if you are out and about in public, nothing you do is considered private so why would being surveilled (sp?) be a problem? I don't think trash has ever been considered private property, which is good for us dumpster divers.
 

JumBie

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So basically, they are just making it legal to do the things that they have always been doing. Well I guess now they don't have to actually think twice, good for them.
 

werepossum

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Jaskalas

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The Terrorists took more than the Twin Towers away from us.

They gave Congress an excuse. Big deal, Congress would have used any excuse. The terrorists didn't do it, we did. Great nations fall from within, and from our present experiences we get to write the next chapter in that long book.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Just like it's expected that corporations know everything about it's employees - to safe guard and protect it's interests - our government is utilizing this approach, to have full visibility into the lives of it's employees,... I mean citizens.

The huge glaring difference is that one can choose which corporation they can work for or flat out avoid working at large firms and instead run their own business. You can't do the same with government.

We are no longer being served by our government. You are chained to a corporate like entity that decides our well being and lives, all in the name of special interests. We turned the wheel over to someone who wants to go 100 mph, on a road littered with sharp glass and ends with 1,000 foot drop cliff.

How can any person who was/is in favor of increasing the size and scope of government but is now upset about this action have anyone else to blame but themselves? Larger government will always seek to amass huge amounts of power which puts the rights of individuals on the chopping block. Those who refuse to see this historical fact are fools.

But hey its for your own good right? Big brother protects right?
 
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"Commercially available" databases sounds like a google search

No, it does not, and it is rather naive of you to think so. Commercially available databases are ones that generally require paid access. For example there are state and federal property databases that companies can review before purchasing property.
 

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No, it does not, and it is rather naive of you to think so. Commercially available databases are ones that generally require paid access. For example there are state and federal property databases that companies can review before purchasing property.

And you think that the FBI shouldn't be allowed to search that?
 

BoberFett

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Hopes and change, I has it.

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I have sort of mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, these new "rules" will make it easier for the FBI to conduct investigations,
But on the other hand, it seems like they're getting closer to the "Secret Police" status.

http://www.naturalnews.com/031603_surveillance_police_state.html

The FBI handbook change is accompanied by new technologies -

"Roving vans to "track eye movements"
According to a Forbes.com article (http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenbe...), one project pursued by DHS using technology from Siemens would "mount backscatter x-ray scanners and video cameras on roving vans, along with other cameras on buildings and utility poles, to monitor groups of pedestrians, assess what they carried, and even track their eye movements."

Another project involved developing "a system of long range x-ray scanning to determine what metal objects an individual might have on his or her body at distances up to thirty feet."

We already know that the U.S. government has purchased 500 vans using covert backscatter technology to covertly scan people on the streets (http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenbe...). They're called "Z Backscatter Vans, or ZBVs."

This is all part of the U.S. government's new wave of police state surveillance that aims to track and irradiate innocent civilians who have committed no crime. Under the new Janet Napolitano regime, all Americans are now considered potential terrorists, and anyone can be subjected to government-sanctioned radiation scanning at any time, without their knowledge or approval."


This goes hand in hand with Obama's wishes being granted for a stronger Patriot Act.

Can't blame this on Obama. It goes back to the Bush/Cheney administration & the network infrastructure was put in place during the Clinton administration - if not before.

Law changes & surveillance technologies such as this are attribute-able to the "power behind the throne" - those who support Bush, Cheney, and Obama.

American corporations being one example.
 
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werepossum

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The huge glaring difference is that one can choose which corporation they can work for or flat out avoid working at large firms and instead run their own business. You can't do the same with government.



How can any person who was/is in favor of increasing the size and scope of government but is now upset about this action have anyone else to blame but themselves? Larger government will always seek to amass huge amounts of power which puts the rights of individuals on the chopping block. Those who refuse to see this historical fact are fools.

But hey its for your own good right? Big brother protects right?
This, entirely.

Also second the motion for more hot blonds and micro giraffes on the tube.
 
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Trash searches: Similar to the relaxed restriction on lie-detector tests, agents will be able to search the trash of a potential informant as part of an assessment. "Agents have asked for that power in part because they want the ability to use information found in a subject’s trash to put pressure on that person to assist the government in the investigation of others. But Ms. Caproni said information gathered that way could also be useful for other reasons, like determining whether the subject might pose a threat to agents."

Notice, they can search ANYONE's trash and find information to extort that person into being an informant. Think about it for a minute.
They can now go through your garbage, find out where you work, and then say, hey go get us some inforamtion on your company so we can ascertain if they are doing anything illegally.

That's some scary crap right there.