*****The New Official E3 2005 thread!!*****

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
Never heard of Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime sucks. The only people that think the gamecube is any good are those that are stuck on it. I've had every other console and PC and not the gamecube because there isn't a single aspect of the system that is good.

Again with the ignorance. WAVEBIRD. The first and only real wireless controller produced and supported by the 1st party company. Where's Sony's PS2 wireless controller? OH WAIT, they don't have one. Where's Microsoft's XBox wireless controller? OH WAIT, they don't have one. It's pretty unanimous across the board, your average unbiased gaming review site would agree the Wavebird is clearly the best controller for any current gen system if only for its excellent wireless ability in the same usable form of the 1st party controller. If it wasn't for Nintendo pushing Wavebird we'd probably still be seeing wired controllers as the standard.

No single aspect that is good, eh? Even if the Wavebird was the only good aspect, it is still one aspect, you're definately wrong.

Wireless controllers are not new, and not invented by Nintendo. Every console has 3rd party wireless controllers already. The whole point to going full wireless isn't just to lose wires, it's to support more than 4 controllers on one system without adapters.

Again I ask where is the 1st party support? 3rd parties suck, especially with controllers, its almost an unwritten law now that they cannot be good.

I'm going to guess you've never even used a wireless controller before, at least not a good one. You'd obviously know the point isn't to have more than 4 controllers on one system, its to get rid of the wires, you can play in bed in any position in your chair, no more tripping over wires when people are playing, and far easier to keep clean and organized - pick up and go as there's no need to wrap up a wire or plug it in. You're even more wrong about more than 4 player, especially when all 3 next gen systems will most likely offer some sort of online network for multiplayer support which will take over some of the demand for multiplayer in games. We'll still see 4 player party type games, but it becomes more of a crowd over 4 people, even wide screen high def TVs aren't the greatest when split into four screens.

 

[magomago]

no I think wireless controllers are for supporting multiple people at once without adapters as well. I've never had wires really inhibit my gaming, and honestly I actually PREFER them to wireless controllers. Usually wired weigh a little more and feel more "solid" whereas all the wireless controllers i've tried feel a little weak.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Again I ask where is the 1st party support? 3rd parties suck, especially with controllers, its almost an unwritten law now that they cannot be good.

I don't want to get caught up in this arguement, but I have to agree with this statement. The Wavebird was truely the first good wireless controller, plain and simple. None so far have lived up to it on any system IMO.

 

[skace]

The GC has some amazing games, I'd question anyone who argues that. Especially someone who would say the Metroid Prime series sucks, one of the few nearly flawless fps single player executions.

This thread has some cool info, glad I saw it. And yea, I voted PS3, god that system looks hot. But I swear, if Sony builds it cheap again, I will find whoever runs the show and break his knees.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: magomago
no I think wireless controllers are for supporting multiple people at once without adapters as well. I've never had wires really inhibit my gaming, and honestly I actually PREFER them to wireless controllers. Usually wired weigh a little more and feel more "solid" whereas all the wireless controllers i've tried feel a little weak.

Play with the Wavebirds a few times. Trust me, you'll never go back to wired controllers.

 

[wexsmith]

I will vote between the two tomorrow after I get home from the E3 show!!!

I'm leaning towards the XBox360 though. The game lineup is the selling point for me. Both consoles are incredibly powerful and will continue to be for at least the next 2 years.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: wexsmith
I will vote between the two tomorrow after I get home from the E3 show!!!

I'm leaning towards the XBox360 though. The game lineup is the selling point for me. Both consoles are incredibly powerful and will continue to be for at least the next 2 years.

I'm getting a 360 and leaning towards saving up for a PS3 as well (I seriously wonder how much a PS3 is going to cost with it's multitude of slots, ports, etc)

 

[warcrow]

Nintendo Revolution News

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
Is anyone seriously considering Nintendo at this point? I gave up with the N64, but some people seemed to have even kept with the Gamecube despite clearly being weak compared to the competition...

Haven't seen anything to make a decision one way or the other honestly.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: warcrow
Nintendo Revolution News

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm

Revolution joins the gaming wars
By Steven Kent, Special for USA TODAY
LOS ANGELES ? The players are in place for the next video game battle of the big guns.

?All-access?: Revolution is meant to beflexible for designers and players alike.
Nintendo

Nintendo reveals details Tuesday of its new system, code-named Revolution, after Sony's announcement of the PlayStation 3 console Monday and Microsoft's unveiling of Xbox 360 on an MTV special last Thursday. (Related story: PS3 purports to pack the most power)

All the action is taking place before the annual E3 Expo, which begins Wednesday. The three gaming giants will unveil the systems there.

Microsoft is expected to have the Xbox 360 in stores first, in time for the holidays. Nintendo and Sony will follow in 2006. No prices have been set, and release dates have not been locked in.

Nintendo, whose GameCube sales have lagged, hopes to gain ground, particularly among the fast-growing older-gaming market. Revolution is about the size of a stack of three DVD cases and has no visible knobs, buttons or ports for joysticks. The system will use only wireless controllers, and it sits flat or stands vertically.

With its front-loading slot for discs, it will play games on full-size DVDs as well as older GameCube games on mini-DVDs. Like Xbox and PlayStation 2, it will play DVD movies.

Nintendo, which mostly ignored the Net with GameCube, also is catching up with the online wave. Revolution will offer broadband access to a free Internet-based player matching service, similar to Xbox Live, that also will have downloadable versions of nearly every Nintendo game ? from arcade classic Donkey Kong through current titles such as Mario Sunshine. (Nintendo hasn't decided whether downloading will be free.)

Xbox spokesmen have pointed out that 360's specifications are 10 to 13 times more powerful than those of the original Xbox; Sony said Monday that the processor in Play-Station 3, which will come in several colors and be out next spring, will be 35 times more powerful than the PS2 processor.

Nintendo makes more modest claims that Revolution is two or three times more powerful than GameCube. "It's not all about having 'turbo power,' " Nintendo's Perrin Kaplan says. "It's about what you do with it."

Analyst Richard Doherty of The Envisioneering Group says one of Revolution's chief advantages is that designers will find it far easier to create games for Revolution than for competing systems. "They do not need to make major changes from the games they were designing," he says. "They have better performance without having to do a lot of extra work."

Says Kaplan: "We've built Revolution around the concept of 'all-access gaming,' " a term Nintendo uses to mean the system is easily adapted to by both gamers and designers. "We're about sticking to the soul of gaming."

Translation: We don't have enough capital to make the transition to next-gen.
If the 'revolution' is that it makes development easier then Nintendo has unfortunately put the final nail in its coffin :|. They BETTER have something up their sleeve

<--Nintendo Fanboy who has owned every single Nintendo (and only Nintendo) consoles to date

 

[Malak]

Haha, sticking to the soul of gaming... Is that what they said when they stuck to cartridges on the n64, a console easily beat by a late-comer? Nintendo died with the SNES.

 

[Deeko]

KruptusAngelos you need to get a clue. Everything you have against Nintendo seems to stem from N64 using cartidges. Guess what? N64 was still a WILDLY successful console, and almost everyone I know that still has a previous gen console, which do you think it is? Not psx. Not Dreamcast. N64.

mAdMaLuDaWg, I'm sure they still have plenty of capital, unlike the other two, they actually profited on the hardware of Gamecube, and it still did fairly well worldwide, plus you can't count out their success in the handheld market. As I said in the thread on OT...A) Nintendo has always posted realistic numbers, not theoretical numbers. Gamecube turned out more powerful than PS2 but at E3, PS2 was 10x faster theoretically. B) ATI and IBM are making the components. Who else are they doing that for...oh yea, Xbox360. Do you honestly think they would get their hardware from the same place, but get substantially slower hardware, in a LONGER period of time? That wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Deeko
KruptusAngelos you need to get a clue. Everything you have against Nintendo seems to stem from N64 using cartidges. Guess what? N64 was still a WILDLY successful console, and almost everyone I know that still has a previous gen console, which do you think it is? Not psx. Not Dreamcast. N64.

The dreamcast and PS1 were 10 times what the N64 was, and they had everything better than the N64, everything. Better games, better controls, hell the dreamcast was the first console to go online! Nintendo had no innovation at all. Fast forward to the gamecube. Sega drops out and is replaced my Microsoft. Sony comes out with PS2. Backwards compatible and sticks to the best controllers we've ever seen, because you keep what's good. New games come out every freaking day, people can't keep up. Nintendo.. Nintendo launches with the same rehashed crap they've been doing since the NES. What's worse is, they attempt to make a better controller than the monstrosity that was the N64 controller and end up with one that is just as cartoony as their games. Sony and Microsoft make their consoles with standard DVD drives so people can watch movies with them(good for those of us that didn't have DVD players), but Nintendo decided against it. They were afraid people would burn their games. Sony and Microsoft didn't lose any sleep over it, and Nintendo was already in last place... who's thinking over there?

Now we go to the Revolution. They actually finally did something nice. Offering all the games they ever made on a console. I just think it's too little too late anymore. I haven't wanted to play a game from Nintendo for 10 years, why would I bother to get a new console that STILL can't play DVD's at the very least. And what about that controller? Apparently they completely redesigned what we all know to be a console controller. Good? Bad? Given their history, I'll lean towards bad.

 

[CPA]

Most of this thread has been dedicated to the consoles, BUT since it's the Official E3 2005 thread, I thought my question was still appropriate.

Apparently a new video of Serious Sam 2 was shown recently (G4 Tech TV had it on) and IGN was going to have it up on their site. Can anyone confirm it's there? I can access the Cube and XBox IGN sites, but get blocked on the PC site.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: Deeko
KruptusAngelos you need to get a clue. Everything you have against Nintendo seems to stem from N64 using cartidges. Guess what? N64 was still a WILDLY successful console, and almost everyone I know that still has a previous gen console, which do you think it is? Not psx. Not Dreamcast. N64.

The dreamcast and PS1 were 10 times what the N64 was, and they had everything better than the N64, everything. Better games, better controls, hell the dreamcast was the first console to go online! Nintendo had no innovation at all. Fast forward to the gamecube. Sega drops out and is replaced my Microsoft. Sony comes out with PS2. Backwards compatible and sticks to the best controllers we've ever seen, because you keep what's good. New games come out every freaking day, people can't keep up. Nintendo.. Nintendo launches with the same rehashed crap they've been doing since the NES. What's worse is, they attempt to make a better controller than the monstrosity that was the N64 controller and end up with one that is just as cartoony as their games. Sony and Microsoft make their consoles with standard DVD drives so people can watch movies with them(good for those of us that didn't have DVD players), but Nintendo decided against it. They were afraid people would burn their games. Sony and Microsoft didn't lose any sleep over it, and Nintendo was already in last place... who's thinking over there?

Now we go to the Revolution. They actually finally did something nice. Offering all the games they ever made on a console. I just think it's too little too late anymore. I haven't wanted to play a game from Nintendo for 10 years, why would I bother to get a new console that STILL can't play DVD's at the very least. And what about that controller? Apparently they completely redesigned what we all know to be a console controller. Good? Bad? Given their history, I'll lean towards bad.

HAHAHH.. NINTENDO HAD NO INNOVATION AT ALL?!?!

Well, lemme start with the Analog stick. Nintendo INVENTED THE DAMN THING. And you know the whole 3D platformer/camera thing that you see in video games these days. Well, you could thank Nintendo for that (Mario 64). Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the shoulder buttons on controllers. You are not giving Nintendo enough credit and you are talking as if it has no relevance in the video game market. Heh.. video gaming wouldn't be where it is today without the innovations that Nintendo has come up with.

That being said.. I'm upset at what (or lack thereof) Nintendo has shown so far. I really hope that the 'Revolution' is indeed going to be revolutionary.

 

[skace]

CPA, I don't see any SS2 trailers on IGN. I'll look again later. All I saw is a little blurb that Take Two confirmed their lineup which included SS2.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: skace
CPA, I don't see any SS2 trailers on IGN. I'll look again later. All I saw is a little blurb that Take Two confirmed their lineup which included SS2.

There are already videos out for SS2, have you looked at those?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: skace
CPA, I don't see any SS2 trailers on IGN. I'll look again later. All I saw is a little blurb that Take Two confirmed their lineup which included SS2.

There are already videos out for SS2, have you looked at those?

yes, but this was supposedly a new one shown during the Pre-E3 conference. And IGN was going to post it to their site.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: skace
CPA, I don't see any SS2 trailers on IGN. I'll look again later. All I saw is a little blurb that Take Two confirmed their lineup which included SS2.

There are already videos out for SS2, have you looked at those?

yes, but this was supposedly a new one shown during the Pre-E3 conference. And IGN was going to post it to their site.

Hopefully some real gameplay.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: Deeko
KruptusAngelos you need to get a clue. Everything you have against Nintendo seems to stem from N64 using cartidges. Guess what? N64 was still a WILDLY successful console, and almost everyone I know that still has a previous gen console, which do you think it is? Not psx. Not Dreamcast. N64.

The dreamcast and PS1 were 10 times what the N64 was, and they had everything better than the N64, everything. Better games, better controls, hell the dreamcast was the first console to go online! Nintendo had no innovation at all. Fast forward to the gamecube. Sega drops out and is replaced my Microsoft. Sony comes out with PS2. Backwards compatible and sticks to the best controllers we've ever seen, because you keep what's good. New games come out every freaking day, people can't keep up. Nintendo.. Nintendo launches with the same rehashed crap they've been doing since the NES. What's worse is, they attempt to make a better controller than the monstrosity that was the N64 controller and end up with one that is just as cartoony as their games. Sony and Microsoft make their consoles with standard DVD drives so people can watch movies with them(good for those of us that didn't have DVD players), but Nintendo decided against it. They were afraid people would burn their games. Sony and Microsoft didn't lose any sleep over it, and Nintendo was already in last place... who's thinking over there?

Now we go to the Revolution. They actually finally did something nice. Offering all the games they ever made on a console. I just think it's too little too late anymore. I haven't wanted to play a game from Nintendo for 10 years, why would I bother to get a new console that STILL can't play DVD's at the very least. And what about that controller? Apparently they completely redesigned what we all know to be a console controller. Good? Bad? Given their history, I'll lean towards bad.

Man you really don't know whats going on. I owned all three of psx, n64, and dreamcast, all had their ups and downs. Clearly psx won the sales battle, but I'm talking about in the long run....I know alot more people that still have (and play) their N64's.

I don't get the big deal over DVD's. Everyone is whining about HD support and all that, I'm pretty sure all those people have REAL DVD players. Big damn deal, so I can't play a DVD on the Gamecube. The controller? You're knocking Gamecube's controller? Its the most innovative controller since, oh I dunno, the analog stick, and Nintendo was the first to do that! yea, it looks weird, but play with it, its great. Gamecube finished 2nd worldwide IIRC...don't forget kid, theres more to this world than the US.

You have no real beef with Revolution. Admit it, you are an anti-Nintendo fanboy with no basis to anything. it DOES play DVDs you moron, and once again you knock their controller innovation, which time and time again has proven to be fine.

Oh, and SNES had online play. No one used it, but there was a modem you could get for it. Score another first for Nintendo.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You have no real beef with Revolution. Admit it, you are an anti-Nintendo fanboy with no basis to anything. it DOES play DVDs you moron, and once again you knock their controller innovation, which time and time again has proven to be fine.

Oh, and SNES had online play. No one used it, but there was a modem you could get for it. Score another first for Nintendo.

You're right, I have no beef with the Revolution at all. But you are wrong, I am not anti-nintendo. I loved the NES and SNES. I hated the N64 and Gamecube. I won't get the Revolution based on those, I have no hope for Nintendo anymore. I'm not big on consoles, but I have owned a PS1, Xbox, and PS2, and haven't touched nintendo since the SNES. I don't like any of the games at all, and hate the controllers. I don't expect it to be any different on the Revolution.

The only sales that matter are US, because I'm not Japanese or European. I don't care what they like. FIFA is the biggest EA game in Europe and barely sells here, is it a good game? It's taste, and the US doesn't have a taste for Nintendo anymore. It's Xbox 360 vs PS3, the Revolution is a toy.

 

[Deeko]

Contradict yourself one more time. You just said you had no beef with Revolution(which, by the way, we know nothing about), but they you called it a toy.

There was nothing wrong with Gamecube. It had good hardware, a great controller, and great exclusive games. It lacked some third party support, but then again I don't see RE4 on any other consoles. What did I lose out on, GTA?

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't see RE4 on any other consoles.

I've seen pics of RE4 for the PS2. The screens were pretty low res but I doubt it'll look as good as the cube version.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: raystorm

Originally posted by: Deeko
I don't see RE4 on any other consoles.

I've seen pics of RE4 for the PS2. The screens were pretty low res but I doubt it'll look as good as the cube version.

Its coming out considerably later(much like how GTA is PS2 exclusive for a year).

 

[blurredvision]

Details and pics added of the Revolution and the GameBoy Micro. Also, as to not clutter up the top of screens with polls upon polls, old polls will be deleted, with the results being posted at the bottom of the original post.