The new BMW M3 CSL is finally here - BMW E92 M3 GTS

[DivideBYZero]

they sure have gone through a lot 'e' numbers. e30 was less than twenty years ago.

are they going to use three digit number? or maybe go to 'f'? :whiste:

F01 is the new 7. F02 is the LWB version.

They are assigning codes to body styles now. For example the e46 had:


- Compact
- Sedan
- Coupe
- Touring
- Convertible
- M version (I added this as it was significantly different enough to warrant a separate code, IMHO)

So you by today's system you would have had the e46-e51. That explains the majority of the code use. Also, the BMW lineup has expanded massively, compared to when there was only 3,5 & 7 series class cars.

 

[Q]

I'd rather get the LF-A

For 170k you can get half of one!

 

[alkemyst]

I am sure BMW has noted the comments here and then had a chuckle as none match the demographic of their buyers.

Next the J. Alba's elbows are just too pointy to make her my wife thread.

 

[TehMac]

ppl can bash the "auto gearbox" all they want but we all know its the future of high-end performance cars.

No denying, it's in Formula, but where's the excitement? Your comment makes me think you've never driven a manual...let alone a car...

 

[alkemyst]

when you drive a really fast car the excitement comes from that, not rowing gears in your Type R whatever.

Manuals are definitely going away. Even the best drivers are saying it.

 

[Arkaign]

when you drive a really fast car the excitement comes from that, not rowing gears in your Type R whatever.

Manuals are definitely going away. Even the best drivers are saying it.

I think this is particularly true in any kind of context of high-end circuit racing scenario, you have a very valid point.

Manuals will have a place for a while yet though with the kind of buyer who prefers them, and I think economy cars will take a bit longer to get passable autos, most are 4-speed garbage, and the CVT's aren't there yet imho.

 

[SSSnail]

Yeah, I'd rather have BOTH hands on the steering wheel going fast, than have to worry about clutch, and shifting. It's already proven that the right automatic can shift quicker and be faster than a stick; technologies, grow with them.

 

[Malak]

I am sure BMW has noted the comments here and then had a chuckle as none match the demographic of their buyers.

Next the J. Alba's elbows are just too pointy to make her my wife thread.

If even BMW fanboys say they won't buy it, what demographic would that be?

 

[Malak]

No denying, it's in Formula, but where's the excitement? Your comment makes me think you've never driven a manual...let alone a car...

I find manually shifting a distraction, not exciting. Exciting is getting around the guy that tried so hard to block you, barely missing his bumper.

 

[alkemyst]

If even BMW fanboys say they won't buy it, what demographic would that be?

Those with $170k to buy a car with and also the target buyer.

think.

 

[alkemyst]

I think this is particularly true in any kind of context of high-end circuit racing scenario, you have a very valid point.

Manuals will have a place for a while yet though with the kind of buyer who prefers them, and I think economy cars will take a bit longer to get passable autos, most are 4-speed garbage, and the CVT's aren't there yet imho.

Exactly economy cars....the low end.

Most here have no fucking clue even those that may have 'valeted' something.

Crappy automatics and underpowered cars are the experiences many have had.

 

[ayabe]

Exactly economy cars....the low end.

Most here have no fucking clue even those that may have 'valeted' something.

Crappy automatics and underpowered cars are the experiences many have had.

Perhaps in 10 years the technology will be more acceptable, but right now, outside of the extreme high end, they have a pretty shitty reputation. Plus they cannot be serviced and until they can, I don't see them gaining wide acceptance in the enthusiast community.

GT-R - don't really need to say anything
VW - have fun shipping your tranny to Germany.
EVO X - hardwired TQ limits
E46 M3/M5 - A total joke
E90 M3 - somewhat better.

 

[alkemyst]

I think it was the EVO that a few PRO drivers commented on how perfect it was.

Most of the above is cannon fodder kiddies discuss.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Hay gais, can I get up there on that high horse with ya?

 

[Koing]

I wonder how many guys have RACED a car here? Go karts don't count...raced as in timed race and not a 'track' day...I've done 2 track days but have never 'raced'.

If I'm going fast the driver in front will yield and let me by. I do the same to guys that are fast behind me (more often then not!).

The demograph is simple. People that can drop $170k on a track toy that probably live in a $1M+ house/ apartment with at least another car already.

I don't think anyone here expect for maybe 2-3 people can drop $170k on a car without taking a serious hit to their investment/ liquid cash. So the point that no one likes it is pretty f0cking m00t 😛

Koing

 

[Malak]

Those with $170k to buy a car with and also the target buyer.

think.

I did think, apparently you didn't. You didn't even give any kind of demographic, because you can buy a better car for less so having that much money to spend doesn't mean you'll buy it. There has to be a reason to buy this car, and the price tag gives a big reason to not buy it.

 

[RichUK]

The DCT gearbox in the M3 GTS is supposed to shift quicker than the standard DCT gearbox in the standard M3 - sounds good to me.

I’ve never driven an SMG/DCT equipped BMW, but would like to.

 

[alkemyst]

I did think, apparently you didn't. You didn't even give any kind of demographic, because you can buy a better car for less so having that much money to spend doesn't mean you'll buy it. There has to be a reason to buy this car, and the price tag gives a big reason to not buy it.

At the $170k mark many aren't factoring price as a criteria. I am not trying to define the demographic at all, it's as simple as saying it's not here. If you are in the market for a $170k+ car I am all ears...however; if you are looking at non-exclusivity then you are the wrong buyer for this niche.

The BMW lineup as long been compared to the Ferrari/Porsche offerings vs price tiers.

The thing most here don't see is that the BMW lineups do four seating quite well and keep most of the racer-ish looks minimal. Fit and finish is usually at a higher to much higher level and getting in and out of both the vehicle and any garages/ramps you may encounter not so difficult.

It's the same dudes that cry how the big Benz's are a waste of money as there are faster cars out there.

 

[SSSnail]

I did think, apparently you didn't. You didn't even give any kind of demographic, because you can buy a better car for less so having that much money to spend doesn't mean you'll buy it. There has to be a reason to buy this car, and the price tag gives a big reason to not buy it.

Please, expound on the "better car for less".

 

[ayabe]

Hay gais, can I get up there on that high horse with ya?

It's not a high horse, it's a mule.

Sure it's slow and old-fashioned, but getting it to do exactly what you want, when you want it by using your feet sure is satisfying.

Kind of like a manual transmission....

 

[Arkaign]

Please, expound on the "better car for less".

Only thing that really springs to mind is the Vette ZR1, but then you'd have a bit of work and $ to get it legitimately track-worthy and legal to most (any?) professional racing situation. Things like the chassis-integrated roll cage + racing harness hookups and so on would probably be a pricey and time-consuming exercise. The 911 GT3 RS seems a shade outpowered by this new GTS.

 

[zerocool84]

The demograph is simple. People that can drop $170k on a track toy that probably live in a $1M+ house/ apartment with at least another car already.


Koing

$1M+ house is not that expensive at all. You'd need to go much higher.

 

[overst33r]

Why do people keep saying manuals shift faster than automatics? They never have. Autos have always been faster at shifting, just not putting the power down as efficiently. Only until recent dual clutch technologies have been implemented have they also been able to accelerate faster due to lower/same drivetrain loss as a manual.

 

[alkemyst]

Only thing that really springs to mind is the Vette ZR1, but then you'd have a bit of work and $ to get it legitimately track-worthy and legal to most (any?) professional racing situation. Things like the chassis-integrated roll cage + racing harness hookups and so on would probably be a pricey and time-consuming exercise. The 911 GT3 RS seems a shade outpowered by this new GTS.

fits 4 people too?

 

[ayabe]

Why do people keep saying manuals shift faster than automatics? They never have. Autos have always been faster at shifting, just not putting the power down as efficiently. Only until recent dual clutch technologies have been implemented have they also been able to accelerate faster due to lower/same drivetrain loss as a manual.

No one in this thread has made that claim.