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The New Battlestar Galactica Series

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I haven't decided if I like the new BSG more than the original. But then, I was a kid who looked forward to the original series every week, and got really pissed when they started moving it to different timeslots and eventually cancelled it.

I definitely do like the new series. For us old-timers, there are a LOT of parallels to the old series, and the new show manages to pay homage to its roots.


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Example: Starbuck crashlands. This parallels the old BSG episode, "The Lost Warrior" where Apollo crashlands. In The Lost Warrior, Adama (Lorne Greene), fearing a Cylon attack, almost refuses to allow a search & rescue mission to find Apollo, even though Apollo is his son. This is in complete contrast to the new BSG where Adama (Olmos) tells his son that he would NEVER leave him behind. The new BSG is more realistic, and shows that Adama has human faults.

Baltar/Number 6 - this had better get interesting really quick, 'cuz right now it's just a distraction from the good stuff.

Starbuck as female - at first, I thought that this was just plain wrong. But I'm slowly changing my mind.

Boomer - I'm in love/lust...They had better keep Grace Park!

Music - Old BSG >>>>>> New BSG

I thiink the human-like Cylons plot twist can take a lot of interesting directions. The Boomer episode sets up a lot of interesting ideas. Since the human-like cylons have a collective conscience, what happens if enough human-like Cylons "die" thereby liberating their "souls" and those "souls" who have experienced life as a human start to make that particular Cylon model sympathize with humans?

And what the heck was that whole "33 minutes" thing about, anyway? I hope we get answers.
 
Originally posted by: tk149
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I thiink the human-like Cylons plot twist can take a lot of interesting directions. The Boomer episode sets up a lot of interesting ideas. Since the human-like cylons have a collective conscience, what happens if enough human-like Cylons "die" thereby liberating their "souls" and those "souls" who have experienced life as a human start to make that particular Cylon model sympathize with humans?
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Leaving the spoiler warning in, but...

Well, the Cylons do NOT have a 'collective conscience'. It would be more accurate to say they have a 'group think' mentality - like members of a cult all brainwashed to believe their teaching. As a point of fact, one or more Cylon models are considered 'problem models' that frequently have...issues.
 
Because this is a more mature show, and they wanted the show to be more complex and emotional. Hard to get emotional over a shiny robot.
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Someone else mentioned this, but the concept of humans create robots, robots overthrow humans, robots assume human form to infiltrate human survivors...we already covered this in the Terminator movies.
Battlestar Galactica's original and basic premise is one of survival...somehow the raw tensions of that scenario were somehow lost in the disco ball light hearted approach of the original series.
I think the premise of a cold and calculating alien race of robots that emote nothing but the desire to destroy humanity is a better premise and more in line with the original concept of the show...with perhaps a master of puppets behind the Cylons, left disguised throughout the series, but slowly revealed...perhaps as the Battlestar uncovers evidence of the ancient race that created the Cylons, and what inevitably happened to them...something along those lines...the whole robot AI overthrows humanity and becomes more human...that horse has already beaten to death.

That's how i see Starbuck. Sounds like you just have a preconceived notion on how things should be, and because they're not, they don't work for you. Or you're just sexist and can't see a woman being as strong as the current Starbuck is.
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More of the opinion that you can re-envision a show without changing everything about it...and making gender/race changes to the cast seems more like an effort to attract audience members then adding any depth to the show.

That being said, I think the actress playing Starbuck has done a phenomenal job portraying her character...just saying she could have been included in the show, but as a different or new character that was not in the original.

Works for me. Infact i think Boomer is one of the more interesting character in the show.
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Since the Cylons posing as humans concept doesn't work for me, I don't really like the whole Boomer is a Cylon thing...although the actress playing Boomer is so wooden, I suppose it adds a layer of plausibility that she is really a robot...I use her scenes to go hit the bathroom or get snacky treats.

Sounds like you're just not open minded enough to see what the series is. It's NOT suppose to be a recreation of the old one.
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This series is a well done science fiction epic based rather loosely on the original television show Battlestar Galactica...I didnt expect a total recreation of the original, bell bottomed uniforms and all...what I did expect was to take the original premise of the show, and add a level of character development and realistic intensity.

I totally understand that when you translate something already out there, you want to leave your mark on it to make it different...that works fine with say peripheral characters or minor details...but with major characters, of course it is going to cause beef with fans of the original.

Imagine if Peter Jackson made Frodo a chick in the Lord of the Rings movies...I am sure it could work...would annoy the diehard fans...overall doesn't add much to Tolkien's original vision...the only ambitious aspect of it is "look what a risk taker I am for making a main male character into a woman...how bold...how visionary."
 
Originally posted by: dderidex
Indeed. "Lost in Space" still has fans. So does "Buck Rogers", and you can't tell me THAT show wasn't crappy!
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Seriously. You're telling me that in the 24th Century they couldn't develop a bee-dee-bee-dee freakin' robot that can go up and down the bee-dee-bee-dee freakin' stairs?!
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Because this is a more mature show, and they wanted the show to be more complex and emotional. Hard to get emotional over a shiny robot.
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Someone else mentioned this, but the concept of humans create robots, robots overthrow humans, robots assume human form to infiltrate human survivors...we already covered this in the Terminator movies.
Battlestar Galactica's original and basic premise is one of survival...somehow the raw tensions of that scenario were somehow lost in the disco ball light hearted approach of the original series.
I think the premise of a cold and calculating alien race of robots that emote nothing but the desire to destroy humanity is a better premise and more in line with the original concept of the show...with perhaps a master of puppets behind the Cylons, left disguised throughout the series, but slowly revealed...perhaps as the Battlestar uncovers evidence of the ancient race that created the Cylons, and what inevitably happened to them...something along those lines...the whole robot AI overthrows humanity and becomes more human...that horse has already beaten to death.
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So you just want a robotic alien race fighting the human race? And that's it? No thanks, personally i'm thankful of the approach of this new series... which is probably why it's so popular right now. Part of the suspense of this show is wondering who's a Cylon.

More of the opinion that you can re-envision a show without changing everything about it...and making gender/race changes to the cast seems more like an effort to attract audience members then adding any depth to the show.
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And what's attracting the audience? if you think it's just attractive women, then they could have thrown attractive women wearing swimsuits into minor roles, and according to your logic, it would have attracted a larger audience. It's obvious i'm not the only one that thinks the current Starbuck is GREAT.

Since the Cylons posing as humans concept doesn't work for me, I don't really like the whole Boomer is a Cylon thing...although the actress playing Boomer is so wooden, I suppose it adds a layer of plausibility that she is really a robot...I use her scenes to go hit the bathroom or get snacky treats.
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Since you're missing her character development, that's probably why you don't like it. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out... but maybe it does.

 
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: dderidex
Indeed. "Lost in Space" still has fans. So does "Buck Rogers", and you can't tell me THAT show wasn't crappy!
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Seriously. You're telling me that in the 24th Century they couldn't develop a bee-dee-bee-dee freakin' robot that can go up and down the bee-dee-bee-dee freakin' stairs?!
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Or preface every statement it, like, "bee-dee bee-dee bee-dee What's up, Buck?"
 
Here's what bothers me:
They are supposedly going to earth, which the human race went to and colonized, when we know that we evolved here.
They wear the same clothes we wear. Suits, dress suits.. And some of the devices they show, like the radio on the taken over planet, look like ours (or from the 80s).
They have FTL drives, starfighters, yet can't cure cancer or detect Cylons?
The Cylon fighter had organic stuff inside, and a life support system that can also support a human. So that means that the Cylon fighters are life forms controlling ships, and the ones impersonating humans are computers in robotic bodies. Wtf???
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Here's what bothers me:
They are supposedly going to earth, which the human race went to and colonized, when we know that we evolved here.
They wear the same clothes we wear. Suits, dress suits.. And some of the devices they show, like the radio on the taken over planet, look like ours (or from the 80s).
They have FTL drives, starfighters, yet can't cure cancer or detect Cylons?
The Cylon fighter had organic stuff inside, and a life support system that can also support a human. So that means that the Cylon fighters are life forms controlling ships, and the ones impersonating humans are computers in robotic bodies. Wtf???
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LOL. First and foremost, the show is fiction. Fantasy even actually. So expecting that it conform to reality is just ridiculous. All fiction requires what is known as "suspension of disbelief". Did LOTR bother you too, with its magic and wizards? I hope not, because despite its unreality, it stayed true to its own imaginary reality, and that is what makes good fiction.
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Here's what bothers me:
They are supposedly going to earth, which the human race went to and colonized, when we know that we evolved here.
They wear the same clothes we wear. Suits, dress suits.. And some of the devices they show, like the radio on the taken over planet, look like ours (or from the 80s).
They have FTL drives, starfighters, yet can't cure cancer or detect Cylons?
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Well we can't cure cancer either. And she was complacent and let the cancer advance to the stage it's at. And they're also on starships... and unlike startrek, they can't make up new treatments with every new episode (which i'm thankful for).

And they can detect Cylons. What did you expect? it was the first time they discovered cylons that looked like humans. This isn't Startrek where they can just whip out a tricorder.

The Cylon fighter had organic stuff inside, and a life support system that can also support a human. So that means that the Cylon fighters are life forms controlling ships, and the ones impersonating humans are computers in robotic bodies. Wtf???
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There are different forms of Cylons. The purely mechanic ones. The ones that are partly biological. And then the ones that are purely biological.
 
So you just want a robotic alien race fighting the human race? And that's it? No thanks, personally i'm thankful of the approach of this new series... which is probably why it's so popular right now. Part of the suspense of this show is wondering who's a Cylon.
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Well it's a bit more complex then that...a robotic alien race whose origins and perhaps masters are shrouded in mystery...who are the Cylons???...what do they want???...perhaps an AI that conquered their own masters and then unleashed onto the galaxy with nothing to stop them.
The whole Cylons disguised as humans thing, as I have said, is a plotline similar to too many other franchises out there...they could have taken it in different directions...humans implanted with technologies that make them slaves to the Cylons...perhaps a group of humans planted within the fleet who are sympathetic to the Cylons...or as was the case with the original Baltar, traitors to their own race in pursuit of spoils promised to them by the Cylons.

And what's attracting the audience? if you think it's just attractive women, then they could have thrown attractive women wearing swimsuits into minor roles, and according to your logic, it would have attracted a larger audience. It's obvious i'm not the only one that thinks the current Starbuck is GREAT.
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Well obviously the show is doing well, and I watch it because I am intrigued to see where they are taking it...I just find it ironic that the gripes I have with the show are those things they chose to change from the original...similar to the LOTR movies...while great films, the parts that didnt work for me were the deviations from the books.

Then again, why are you so defensive about the show...it's obvious that I watch it...also obvious that there are aspects of it I don't like...an opinion and nothing else...I doubt the writers are reading this forum and saying "gee, some fans of the original don't like the changes...maybe we screwed up."

Since you're missing her character development, that's probably why you don't like it. Doesn't take a genius to figure this out... but maybe it does.
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I didnt miss all of it...it's simply an aspect of the show that kills the tempo and as of yet is not clear where it is leading to...the whole Boomer/Helo scenes on Caprica distract from the main plotlines of each episode, although they perhaps add to an overarching continuity that will have some relevance later on.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
So you just want a robotic alien race fighting the human race? And that's it? No thanks, personally i'm thankful of the approach of this new series... which is probably why it's so popular right now. Part of the suspense of this show is wondering who's a Cylon.
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Well it's a bit more complex then that...a robotic alien race whose origins and perhaps masters are shrouded in mystery...who are the Cylons???...what do they want???...perhaps an AI that conquered their own masters and then unleashed onto the galaxy with nothing to stop them.
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Except that it seems to be pretty much fundamental that humans created Cylons. It's not like this in itself is an original concept, either - Robert Silverberg wrote The Glass Tower in like the 50s.
The whole Cylons disguised as humans thing, as I have said, is a plotline similar to too many other franchises out there...they could have taken it in different directions...humans implanted with technologies that make them slaves to the Cylons...perhaps a group of humans planted within the fleet who are sympathetic to the Cylons...or as was the case with the original Baltar, traitors to their own race in pursuit of spoils promised to them by the Cylons.
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Double-agents isn't as frightening as sleeper agents who themselves are not even aware of what they are, IMO. Then again, this kind of Bladerunner/Armitage III existentialism is a concept I've always enjoyed, and I rarely mind seeing another take on it.
 
Except that it seems to be pretty much fundamental that humans created Cylons. It's not like this in itself is an original concept, either - Robert Silverberg wrote The Glass Tower in like the 50s.
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While the original series didn't explore this in great detail, the Cylons were created by an alien race of lizard people, and if I remember correctly, the Cylons overthrew their masters.

Hell if you want to get into the whole spiritual/religious subplot, why not make humans the genetic experiment of the Cylons...a genetic experiment that they have decided to terminate, perhaps because the humans came to close to discovering their origins???
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Hell if you want to get into the whole spiritual/religious subplot, why not make humans the genetic experiment of the Cylons...a genetic experiment that they have decided to terminate, perhaps because the humans came to close to discovering their origins???
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Seems interesting enough. The writers of the current series could have gone a number of ways. They way they chose is pretty interesting and compelling. Seems as good as any other one.
 
Seems interesting enough. The writers of the current series could have gone a number of ways. They way they chose is pretty interesting and compelling. Seems as good as any other one.
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Well if anything, it is a testament to the writing of the show that they have taken a fairly common and well trodden science fiction theme, and managed to make it somewhat unique and interesting.
 
:thumbsup: Alien Bimbos
:thumbsup: Alien Nymphos

The series is awesome(even without the above). I have no problem with Cockpitless Cylon ships, when you consider it, what do they need cockpits for? They're machines for frack sakes.

One thing that strikes me as potentially a future plot twist is the Human Cylons. They are clearly in conflict with themselves, not consciously aware of what they are(at least the infiltrators). Though, perhaps the plot twist will be the revealing that they are so cold and calculated that even the audience can't tell the truth. I suspect though that some will eventually work as Infiltrators for the Humans in some fashion.

Looking forward to many great seasons!
 
and the nice plot twist of the Cylons WANTING them to find Earth, so they can finish of all the humans is great.
 
I just kinda hate the fact that advanced robots can't wipe out a few humans with no supplies and no home planet in the dead of space. . .

 
Originally posted by: episodic
I just kinda hate the fact that advanced robots can't wipe out a few humans with no supplies and no home planet in the dead of space. . .
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I've wondered about this. It seems that the Cylons are playing mind games with the humans. After all, why is Helo still alive? To what end are they letting him live. Plus the whole "33" episode. And the Cylons could have activated all their sleepers at once, and destroyed the Galactica before news of their human-like versions was released to the whole fleet.

Why? Why? Why? There's a whole dimension of Cylon here that is quite intriguing.
 
Is the hot red dress bimbo robot an implant in the Baltar character????????????

She guided the doctor on how to recognize human cylons when Baltar was questioned and being doubted by Adama. This leads me to believe she's more than a figment of his imagination.

Comments?.........
 
Originally posted by: dr150
Is the hot red dress bimbo robot an implant in the Baltar character????????????

She guided the doctor on how to recognize human cylons when Baltar was questioned and being doubted by Adama. This leads me to believe she's more than a figment of his imagination.

Comments?.........
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My guess would be the Cylons either are testing the humans, having had such little contact recently (though they did fight them for ~1000 years...), or they are somewhat fragmented, and not entirely out to destroy the humans.
 
Originally posted by: dr150
Is the hot red dress bimbo robot an implant in the Baltar character????????????

She guided the doctor on how to recognize human cylons when Baltar was questioned and being doubted by Adama. This leads me to believe she's more than a figment of his imagination.

Comments?.........
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Hmm, dunno, but 2 ideas come to mind:

1) The Cylons have implanted her into him, but rather than full control, she just has a heavy influence on him. She may have never actually existed, but he can't tell as she's very real to him.

2) He is a Cylon! Perhaps his character is a view into the inner workings of the Ceylon Humanoid mind. Showing an Internal conflict that later results in some major plot twist.
 
Originally posted by: dr150
Is the hot red dress bimbo robot an implant in the Baltar character????????????

She guided the doctor on how to recognize human cylons when Baltar was questioned and being doubted by Adama. This leads me to believe she's more than a figment of his imagination.

Comments?.........
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Yes, she already told him that she's a chip that was implanted in his head.



 
I managed to watch the entire first season already...I didn't pace myself.

I can tell you "Kobol's Last Gleaming" which is a two-parter, will leave fans going WTF?!?!?!NOEEES!

There is an incredible plot-twist at the end of that episode which will leave everyone wanting more. Trust me.
 
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