THIS IS MY POINT! The same reason why you posted this thread.
The Ford GT engine is FAAAAR from the one in the F-150, same with the Viper engine.
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THIS IS MY POINT! The same reason why you posted this thread.
The Ford GT engine is FAAAAR from the one in the F-150, same with the Viper engine.
NFS4
No Lifer
The basic architecture of the 5.4 liter V8 used in the Ford GT and the 8.1 used in the Viper come from their respective truck powerplants, however, the cars do not look or feel like trucks.
The Pathfinder, Quest, Maxima, Murano and 350Z all share the same basic engine. But they don't look alike, nor do they drive the same or even look the same inside.
What YOU are saying is that the 350Z should have a totally "different" engine b/c it is the companies flagship. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever...especially for a car at a $30,000 price point.
wow NFS4, I thought you were a smart guy before but now I'm no so sure.
lets say that mazda put the renesis engine, which is on the list, into the 3, 6, miata, mpv, AND the tribute. then the rx-8 wouldn't be as unique as it is now right?
the rx-8 has appeal because it has a unique engine, it's exclusive to the rx-8 (in the us at least, no sure about japan).
NFS4
No Lifer
The turbo I6 that was used in the Supra was used in the old GS300 and it's still used in the IS300 and current GS300. When both the Supra and GS300 shared the engine in the 90's, did that make the Supra any less special? Nope.
The fact that the VQ is SUCH an awesome motor pretty much slaughters your statements on the matter. I could understand if Nissan had stuck the old, wheezy S/C 3.3l V6 from The Frontier in the new Z, but they put a world class engine in there that kicks butt.
You must be the ONLY person on the planet that finds fault with that.
Honestly, I'd rather have a wide use engine like the VQ than a single application use engine like the Rotary.
The rotary is a gimmic really. It's small and light, which is really the only advantage. Other than that it's not really that powerful, has non-existant torque, isn't that gas efficient, and only has a handful of people that can work on it easily.
Same argument for DOHC over older push rod engines. Some push rod engines simply do the job better than the more sophisticated engines that compete against them. More reliable, better torque curves (in general), more fuel efficient, and cheaper to manufacture. Example - GM 5.7L LS1/LS6.
When it comes down to it, gimme fast, cheap, and efficient over something that is over engineered and doesn't perform as well.
You're telling me there was a GS300 twin turbo? And an IS300 Twin Turbo? I thought so.
I am not arguing the fact that the VQ is an awesome engine, it IS an awesome engine. But no matter how good it is, it still doesn't "slaughter" my statement that a flagship car should have an engine that is unqiue to that car.
If unique engines didn't matter than why did nissan decide to detune the VQ for the G35 coupe? They could've stuck the EXACT same engine in the G35 right? But they didn't because they wanted consumers to see that the Z was better. (When in fact the G35 coupes make more on the dyno than 350zs.)
Lot's of companies detune or underlist the power on certain cars in their lineups to make other cars look better.
Chevy constantly underrated the power on the SS Camaro & WS6 packaged Firebirds to make a wider gap between them and the 'Vette's. But dyno's proved otherwise.
Audi made VW underlist the power in the 1.8T variants of the golf & jetta's so that they weren't outpowering the 1.8t versions of the Audi A4's.
WinkOsmosis
Banned
And why do you even give a damn how unique the engine is? Why is that more important than the car itself?
But if you can do it through tuning the same engine, then more power to the car manf.
The car world is a very politic and number driven business. It wouldn't surprise me if the G35 is detuned simply for the fact that they can uncork it in another year or two when a competitor releases something with numbers just surpassing the current G35 stats.
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About detuning - both parties win. It's cheaper for the manf to detune an engine and use it in multiple platforms. So that cost is passed down to the consumer. The consumer can also win because they can purchase aftermarket parts to bring up the less powerful engine to the higher performing engines standards.
WinkOsmosis
Banned
Detuning isn't changing the engine. It's changing the power.
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