The neo-cons on this board just don't get it with regards to spain

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Oh boy - another Spain thread. Yippie - now we have like 12 of them.

CkG

Yup, as usually, you address the points made, Cad.

I've address your drivel and it's kin in the MANY OTHER THREADS ABOUT THIS WHOLE SPAIN THING. Got it?

This thread like the many other ones should be locked as a repost.

CkG

Awwwww, Lead P&N NeoCon panties in a bunch because he lost a whole Country of NeoCons, Awwwwww.

Seems you and Zepher missed the opening rant I was copying the style of

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Napalm

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Napalm

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Oh boy - another Spain thread. Yippie - now we have like 12 of them.

CkG

This is a seriously ignorant and disrespectful statement.

Spain has just had a terrorist attack in which hundreds have been killed and over a thousand people have been injured following their support for America. This is their 9/11, and their losses, while smaller in number, are no less tragic. I think if we go back in time and look at your posts after 9/11, you may have had a few more than 12 posts on the topic. And I certainly don't think anyone would have ever been ignorant enough to post a "Yippie - another 9/11 thread" - do you?????

yeah - it was really a statement about Spain

The troll that started this thread could have easily made his comments about "neo-cons" in one of the other threads but thought he was special so he'd start ANOTHER one especially to bash "neo-cons".

CkG

I find it hard to understand how Americans can be anything other than respectful to the Spanish. They supported you in Afghanistan and Iraq, they are a democratic nation that has just followed the will of its people, and like you, they have suffered a horrid attack on their own soil.

You should be asking how Bush is going to work with them to fight terrorism (i.e., returning the favour), not taking a crap on them for who they have elected and for deciding to pull their troops from that hell hole, Iraq. Don't you think?

I was doing nothing of the sort here and I support them if they fight terrorism - see the other threads about this and you will see that I acknowledge their democracy but I think their backwards movement in the terrorism fight is not a good sign. Seems you need to take your holier than thou rant elsewhere. This was one of the many reposts and this troll tried to make this about blasting "neo-cons" when he could have done this in existing threads.

CkG

 

[Ornery]

"Yardape?? WTF is a Yardape?"

I think they're sandapes over there. Animals, either way...

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Until I see al-Qaeda celebrating, or hear Osama praising the new Spanish government in his next audio tape, I think nobody should make any such speculations. "

The al Qaeda dispatch taunted the premier of Spain whose party has been defeated. ?Aznar, where is America? Who will protect you, Britain, Japan, Italy and others from us??

Doing some quick background checks on your nice quote there...

This quote is associated with the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, not Al Qaeda directly as your wonderful source is trying to imply.

Some info about this group:

Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, which has been identified with al-Qaeda in the past, has made claims that turned out to be unsubstantiated - it took responsibility for the August 5 bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia, and the August 14 blackout in the north-eastern US.

So this looks like another attempt by this silly group to claim responsibility to something and then use the opportunity to broadcast their messages. In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'.

 

[DashRiprock]

Thanks Spain, now look what's happening in Iraq:

Six Civilians Killed in Iraq Shootings

Two Germans working on a water-supply project south of Baghdad were shot to death Tuesday.
Four U.S. missionaries were slain in a drive-by shooting in the northern city of Mosul.

Terrorists - "If we got Spain to pull out of Iraq by killing civilians..."

 

[Ornery]

"In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'. "

Talk about speculations!

The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant. And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'. "

Talk about speculations!

The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant. And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

The only thing here plain and simple is your way of thinking...Plain and simple; black and white, full of hate and snap judgements.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Ornery
"In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'. "

Talk about speculations!

The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant. And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

The only thing here plain and simple is your way of thinking...Plain and simple; black and white, full of hate and snap judgements.

Actually it's the simple minded that don't understand the need to not back down from terrorists. Meh -whatever you say missy.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DashRiprock
Thanks Spain, now look what's happening in Iraq:

Six Civilians Killed in Iraq Shootings

Two Germans working on a water-supply project south of Baghdad were shot to death Tuesday.
Four U.S. missionaries were slain in a drive-by shooting in the northern city of Mosul.

Terrorists - "If we got Spain to pull out of Iraq by killing civilians..."

You'd think Christian Missionaries in Iraq would be high on the list of those who are targets among the insurgents and the Foriegn Terrorists. Whether y0ou agree with their mission or not you have to admit that it takes some balls to go over there to try and convert Muslims to Christianity. Probably more balls than brains!

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DashRiprock
Thanks Spain, now look what's happening in Iraq:

Six Civilians Killed in Iraq Shootings

Two Germans working on a water-supply project south of Baghdad were shot to death Tuesday.
Four U.S. missionaries were slain in a drive-by shooting in the northern city of Mosul.

Terrorists - "If we got Spain to pull out of Iraq by killing civilians..."

You'd think Christian Missionaries in Iraq would be high on the list of those who are targets among the insurgents and the Foriegn Terrorists. Whether y0ou agree with their mission or not you have to admit that it takes some balls to go over there to try and convert Muslims to Christianity. Probably more balls than brains!

Are they there to convert or help with water purification project?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Ornery


The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant.

Shows your ignorance in terrorist organizations and I hope you're not working for homeland security. For example, the Hezbollah- widely considered a terrorist organization, publically condemned the attacks on Spain and states it is working against muslim principles.

And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

That's just your biased interpretation on the events that unfolded. Zapatero publically stated his primary concern is terrorism, and being in Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism. So how is it capitulating to terrorism when you elect someone who states terrorism is their main problem and number 1 priority? Do you not think of these things before you write your impetuous remarks?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DashRiprock
Thanks Spain, now look what's happening in Iraq:

Six Civilians Killed in Iraq Shootings

Two Germans working on a water-supply project south of Baghdad were shot to death Tuesday.
Four U.S. missionaries were slain in a drive-by shooting in the northern city of Mosul.

Terrorists - "If we got Spain to pull out of Iraq by killing civilians..."

You'd think Christian Missionaries in Iraq would be high on the list of those who are targets among the insurgents and the Foriegn Terrorists. Whether y0ou agree with their mission or not you have to admit that it takes some balls to go over there to try and convert Muslims to Christianity. Probably more balls than brains!

Are they there to convert or help with water purification project?

They were Missionaries weren't they? What do Missionaries do but try to convert.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Ornery
"In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'. "

Talk about speculations!

The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant. And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

The only thing here plain and simple is your way of thinking...Plain and simple; black and white, full of hate and snap judgements.

Actually it's the simple minded that don't understand the need to not back down from terrorists. Meh -whatever you say missy.

CkG

Actually you seem to simple minded to understand that the policies of this and that government that you support are what cause this type of attack. Riddle me this: Would this attack by Al Queda have happened had Spain not supported an unjust war in Iraq?
Common, even a dumb hick from Iowa should be able to answer that.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Ornery
"In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'. "

Talk about speculations!

The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant. And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

The only thing here plain and simple is your way of thinking...Plain and simple; black and white, full of hate and snap judgements.

Actually it's the simple minded that don't understand the need to not back down from terrorists. Meh -whatever you say missy.

CkG

Actually you seem to simple minded to understand that the policies of this and that government that you support are what cause this type of attack. Riddle me this: Would this attack by Al Queda have happened had Spain not supported an unjust war in Iraq?
Common, even a dumb hick from Iowa should be able to answer that.

Yes, it probably would have still happened.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Ornery
"In other words, that quote has no relevence to the situation at this time, and has no value in your attempt to make Spain look like it's 'succumbing to terrorism'. "

Talk about speculations!

The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant. And, Spain's voter result IS capitulating to terrorism, plain and simple.

The only thing here plain and simple is your way of thinking...Plain and simple; black and white, full of hate and snap judgements.

Actually it's the simple minded that don't understand the need to not back down from terrorists. Meh -whatever you say missy.

CkG

Actually you seem to simple minded to understand that the policies of this and that government that you support are what cause this type of attack. Riddle me this: Would this attack by Al Queda have happened had Spain not supported an unjust war in Iraq?
Common, even a dumb hick from Iowa should be able to answer that.

This coming from a someone who lives in the liberal armpit of America? Why how elitist of you

Yes - Spain probably would have been attacked because of their involvement in the war on terror.
I hope this attitude of turning tail isn't official policy for them though - it shows weakness. Iraq is currently a battle against terrorism and they are pulling out because of these attacks. Anyway - you question is dishonest and I won't play your games.(bowfinger anyone?) Your question is just a diversion and dishonest. (oh crap I already answered your question- guess I'm not as good at teh rhetoric as Bow.

CkG

 

[Ornery]

"...the Hezbollah- widely considered a terrorist organization, publically condemned the attacks on Spain and states it is working against muslim principles."

Did I post a quote from Hezbollah? Why no. No I didn't. STFU, nimrod.


"So how is it capitulating to terrorism when you elect someone who states terrorism is their main problem and number 1 priority? Do you not think of these things before you write your impetuous remarks? "

Before the attack, the Socialists were significantly behind, and a long shot to be elected. What turned the tide? Yep, now you understand, smartass!

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...the Hezbollah- widely considered a terrorist organization, publically condemned the attacks on Spain and states it is working against muslim principles."

Did I post a quote from Hezbollah? Why no. No I didn't. STFU, nimrod.


"So how is it capitulating to terrorism when you elect someone who states terrorism is their main problem and number 1 priority? Do you not think of these things before you write your impetuous remarks? "

Before the attack, the Socialists were significantly behind, and a long shot to be elected. What turned the tide? Yep, now you understand, smartass!

Is your only defense to sling mud around? You are really revealing yourself when you resort to such desperate measures.

First of all, I'll be glad to explain what exactly just happened because you are clearly confused.

You said:
"The animals we're dealing with and quoting are ALL cut from the SAME cloth, of the SAME mindset, and therefore QUITE relevant"

And I countered that remark with the Hezbollah reference only to illustrate your ignorance in the matter. Do you get it now? Maybe we can get a Dr. Seuss explanation for you.

Now, yes the polls indicated the popular party would stay in power, just as polls once indicated Dean would become the next deomcratic nominee. In the case of Spanish election, there are many reason why the voters may have voted Socialist, but you have stuck to only one without considering anything else. Maybe that poll was inaccurate and more people would've voted Socialist anyway? Maybe the way the Popular party handled the bombing and were so quick to blame ETA pissed the people off? The way you pick a conlusion and claim it's the absolute only reason is absurd, what do you know about the Spanish voter's mindset?

 

[Ornery]

There is NOTHING confusing about how to deal with ANY mutherfvcker who purposely kills civilians, or condones it. They're ALL animals, and ALL deserve a grenade up the ass.

You just keep telling yourself that the bombing had nothing to do with the results.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY<
Yes - Spain probably would have been attacked because of their involvement in the war on terror.
I hope this attitude of turning tail isn't official policy for them though - it shows weakness. Iraq is currently a battle against terrorism and they are pulling out because of these attacks. Anyway - you question is dishonest and I won't play your games.(bowfinger anyone?) Your question is just a diversion and dishonest. (oh crap I already answered your question- guess I'm not as good at teh rhetoric as Bow.

CkG

How is my question dishonest. It's a simple question.
Event A triggers Event B which triggers Event C.
Shouldn't the blame be on Event A? It's logical after all.

And the new prime minister of Spain did not say they will no longer combat terrorist. Stop rambling with your lies about that. He only said he is pulling the troops out of Iraq in July if there is no UN sanction. That's it. He did reaffirm his commitment to fighting terrorism. Get your facts straight.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Ornery
There is NOTHING confusing about how to deal with ANY mutherfvcker who purposely kills civilians, or condones it. They're ALL animals, and ALL deserve a grenade up the ass.

You just keep telling yourself that the bombing had nothing to do with the results.

Clearly, I never suggested the bombing had nothing to do with the results, of course they were a factor. I argued your jumping to a conclusion that al-qaeda/terrorism can claim a 'victory' over the elections in Spain, especially when you back up such a conclusion with the links you posted- specifically that quote 'mocking' Aznar by a NOBODY terrorist group leader who claims responsibility for any detrimental event that affects the US and has no credibility whatsoever.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
This coming from a someone who lives in the liberal armpit of America? Why how elitist of you

Yes - Spain probably would have been attacked because of their involvement in the war on terror.
I hope this attitude of turning tail isn't official policy for them though - it shows weakness. Iraq is currently a battle against terrorism and they are pulling out because of these attacks. Anyway - you question is dishonest and I won't play your games.(bowfinger anyone?) Your question is just a diversion and dishonest. (oh crap I already answered your question- guess I'm not as good at teh rhetoric as Bow.

CkG

Wow, for someone who objected so strongly to the very existence of this thread, you sure have been posting in it quite often. Spain has yet to "turn tail" or "show weakness" or "pull out (of Iraq)" or any of the things you've claimed they've done. Interesting to see that you're willing to stoop so low as to make up things that countries are now allegedly doing because they don't neatly fit your (and by extension, Bush's) narrow world view.

Nicely done.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY<
Yes - Spain probably would have been attacked because of their involvement in the war on terror.
I hope this attitude of turning tail isn't official policy for them though - it shows weakness. Iraq is currently a battle against terrorism and they are pulling out because of these attacks. Anyway - you question is dishonest and I won't play your games.(bowfinger anyone?) Your question is just a diversion and dishonest. (oh crap I already answered your question- guess I'm not as good at teh rhetoric as Bow.

CkG

How is my question dishonest. It's a simple question.
Event A triggers Event B which triggers Event C.
Shouldn't the blame be on Event A? It's logical after all.

And the new prime minister of Spain did not say they will no longer combat terrorist. Stop rambling with your lies about that. He only said he is pulling the troops out of Iraq in July if there is no UN sanction. That's it. He did reaffirm his commitment to fighting terrorism. Get your facts straight.

Depends on what you think 'A' is. Could it not be the arrest and detainment of Al Qaeda suspects in Spain? Hmmmm? Naw - we can't think logically about this - we just have ASSume it was all about Iraq. Yep - blame it on Iraq. Al Qaeda may have attacked Spain to get them to leave Iraq(which it looks like they are going to do...if if if

) but that doesn't mean they were targetted because of Iraq - no? Come on? Where is your nuance? Where is this "open mind" the left always speaks of? Why is this attack only because of their involvement in Iraq?

Naw - we'd rather just blabber about Iraq than actually think.

And yes - I've already noted(In one of these threads anyway) about the lipservice being paid terrorism by the new PM. We'll have to see though. Actions speak louder than words at this point.

CkG

 

[MonkeyK]

Those wussy Spaniards!

If they really had the balls to fight terrorism, they would have all voted for GWB as a write-in candidate in their election.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY<
Yes - Spain probably would have been attacked because of their involvement in the war on terror.
I hope this attitude of turning tail isn't official policy for them though - it shows weakness. Iraq is currently a battle against terrorism and they are pulling out because of these attacks. Anyway - you question is dishonest and I won't play your games.(bowfinger anyone?) Your question is just a diversion and dishonest. (oh crap I already answered your question- guess I'm not as good at teh rhetoric as Bow.

CkG

How is my question dishonest. It's a simple question.
Event A triggers Event B which triggers Event C.
Shouldn't the blame be on Event A? It's logical after all.

And the new prime minister of Spain did not say they will no longer combat terrorist. Stop rambling with your lies about that. He only said he is pulling the troops out of Iraq in July if there is no UN sanction. That's it. He did reaffirm his commitment to fighting terrorism. Get your facts straight.

Depends on what you think 'A' is. Could it not be the arrest and detainment of Al Qaeda suspects in Spain? Hmmmm? Naw - we can't think logically about this - we just have ASSume it was all about Iraq. Yep - blame it on Iraq. Al Qaeda may have attacked Spain to get them to leave Iraq(which it looks like they are going to do...if if if

) but that doesn't mean they were targetted because of Iraq - no? Come on? Where is your nuance? Where is this "open mind" the left always speaks of? Why is this attack only because of their involvement in Iraq?

Naw - we'd rather just blabber about Iraq than actually think.

And yes - I've already noted(In one of these threads anyway) about the lipservice being paid terrorism by the new PM. We'll have to see though. Actions speak louder than words at this point.

CkG

So in your high bush-logic why did Al Qaeda attack Spain oh mighty logical mind?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY<
Yes - Spain probably would have been attacked because of their involvement in the war on terror.
I hope this attitude of turning tail isn't official policy for them though - it shows weakness. Iraq is currently a battle against terrorism and they are pulling out because of these attacks. Anyway - you question is dishonest and I won't play your games.(bowfinger anyone?) Your question is just a diversion and dishonest. (oh crap I already answered your question- guess I'm not as good at teh rhetoric as Bow.

CkG

How is my question dishonest. It's a simple question.
Event A triggers Event B which triggers Event C.
Shouldn't the blame be on Event A? It's logical after all.

And the new prime minister of Spain did not say they will no longer combat terrorist. Stop rambling with your lies about that. He only said he is pulling the troops out of Iraq in July if there is no UN sanction. That's it. He did reaffirm his commitment to fighting terrorism. Get your facts straight.

Depends on what you think 'A' is. Could it not be the arrest and detainment of Al Qaeda suspects in Spain? Hmmmm? Naw - we can't think logically about this - we just have ASSume it was all about Iraq. Yep - blame it on Iraq. Al Qaeda may have attacked Spain to get them to leave Iraq(which it looks like they are going to do...if if if

) but that doesn't mean they were targetted because of Iraq - no? Come on? Where is your nuance? Where is this "open mind" the left always speaks of? Why is this attack only because of their involvement in Iraq?

Naw - we'd rather just blabber about Iraq than actually think.

And yes - I've already noted(In one of these threads anyway) about the lipservice being paid terrorism by the new PM. We'll have to see though. Actions speak louder than words at this point.

CkG

So in your high bush-logic why did Al Qaeda attack Spain oh mighty logical mind?

They wanted to cause terror in Spain? Their objective? Maybe to scare Spain out of Iraq like Al Qaeda has supposedly claimed. Maybe to show they could affect elections. But maybe the "reason" they attacked Spain was because they could.

CkG