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PlanetJosh

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I've wondered if close calls that brought the world inches away from World War 3 is like a proof of God. Like the Cuban missile crisis. That they didn't escalate to nuclear world war must mean God intervened. But they're probably mostly political and not any proof. I may think it's pretty close to proof or is proof but it's actually not. So have to try another route than that or maybe a variation of it.
 

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While that may well be true, I still don’t see a need to concur on what would be proof for the existence of god. Also, and this is a bit nitpicking, but I believe urna should be urnun.
 

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How can someone concur on the concept of something that does not exist?
And by exists I mean in the physical world where we could interact with it?
A nose you can touch you can see you can examine,the only thing you can do "to" GOD is think about.
It's impossible to prove something if it is impossible to get any proof...
Simple: God shows up, puts some writing in the sky. Speaks to everyone at once. Something like that.

Even then, you'd still have some doubters, but that'd be enough for most folks I'd think.
Not happening, but I think that's the bar that needs to be cleared: Physically revealing his presence. Just finding some "god gene" or something isn't going to cut it. We need some Old Testament-type proof.
 

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I put on my robe and Wizard Hat!
 
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Simple: God shows up, puts some writing in the sky. Speaks to everyone at once. Something like that.

Even then, you'd still have some doubters, but that'd be enough for most folks I'd think.
Not happening, but I think that's the bar that needs to be cleared: Physically revealing his presence. Just finding some "god gene" or something isn't going to cut it. We need some Old Testament-type proof.
airplaines have been skywriting for like 100 years.
We have TV and radio to talk to everyone at once ...

We should not be comparing acts of "god" to 100 year old technology. The bar is a bit higher than that.
 
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Here is my way of THE most concise clean simple quick way of proving God's existence.*

Dear mankind:

What do you say about my concise clean easy expatiation** to the existence of God from the fact of existence, thus:

1. There is the fact of existence, for example, the nose on our face.

2. There are things with a beginning, for example, you and I.

3. This is my concept of God: God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

4. Things with a beginning owe their existence to ultimately an entity that exists without a beginning, meaning this entity exists from itself, by itself, for itself, in itself, through itself, i.e. this entity is self-existing.

5. Wherefore: God exists in concept as defined in step 3.

6. And the proof is in step 4.


Please dear readers, present your objections or comments.

*This quote from my message in another web forum, look for it, hint - google existence of God.

**For honest intelligent productive thinkers.





I've wondered if close calls that brought the world inches away from World War 3 is like a proof of God. Like the Cuban missile crisis. That they didn't escalate to nuclear world war must mean God intervened. But they're probably mostly political and not any proof. I may think it's pretty close to proof or is proof but it's actually not. So have to try another route than that or maybe a variation of it.
 

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Here is my way of THE most concise clean simple quick way of proving God's existence.*




*This quote from my message in another web forum, look for it, hint - google existence of God.

**For honest intelligent productive thinkers.
No
 

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Dear mankind:


I will submit that nature gives you a mind to think.

But you have to use it, otherwise you have self-emasculated your most precious entitlement to the tribe of homo sapiens.

Now, use your mind and tell me what do you say?

Do you know you exist? If yes, then explain with concise clean simple intelligible words, how you come to know you exist, if no - then go away and keep company with amoeba and Covid-19: no member of the tribe homo sapiens will miss you.
 

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Do you know you exist? If yes, then explain with concise clean simple intelligible words, how you come to know you exist, if no - then go away and keep company with amoeba and Covid-19: no member of the tribe homo sapiens will miss you.
Why don't you take your own advice and just go away?

no member of the tribe homo sapiens will miss you.
 

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airplaines have been skywriting for like 100 years.
We have TV and radio to talk to everyone at once ...

We should not be comparing acts of "god" to 100 year old technology. The bar is a bit higher than that.
I meant writing in the sky with fire or something. Put a message on the moon. Something man couldn't do.
 

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I meant writing in the sky with fire or something. Put a message on the moon. Something man couldn't do.
There have been designer fireworks that more or less can write messages in the sky with words of fire, and we have been to the moon, and could deploy large reflective mylar messages there too ...

I get your point, and i'm sorry for bein a bit of an ass here, but the whole thing is, a magic show isnt a proof...

How would we differentiate between an alien with better technology vs a god?
 

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It may be that the universe itself is in an unending cycle of death and birth. Link
So the Creator could be the universe itself.
 
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Dear readers and my opponents here and also our articulate atheists:

I don't see anyone answering to my question:
  • Do you know you exist? If yes, then explain with concise clean simple intelligible words, how you come to know you exist, if no - then go away and keep company with amoeba and Covid-19: no member of the tribe homo sapiens will miss you.

So I will take the initiative to answer my own question:

  • 1. (a) I know I exist (b) because when I touch my nose I feel the presence of my nose.

    2. (a) is my declaration of my certainty in regard to my existence, (b) is the proof from evidence to support the certainty I have of my existence.

    3. (b) also answers the how of my arrival at certainty of my existence.

    4. You anyone a member of the tribe of homo sapiens, you can do the same experiment.

    5. And thereby we all are certain that we exist.


    Tomorrow I will expatiate on how from our existence we can and will think with our mind all the way to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.
 

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  • Do you know you exist? If yes, then explain with concise clean simple intelligible words, how you come to know you exist, if no - then go away and keep company with amoeba and Covid-19: no member of the tribe homo sapiens will miss you.
I wish you didn't exist.

Now take your own advice and go away.
 
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Dear readers and my opponents and also atheists:

Yesterday I promised that I would expatiate on how from our certainty that we exist, we can and will come with thinking honestly intelligently and productively to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Please be patient with my continual repetition of the clause, God in concept as the etc, the reason is because readers must be enlightened again and again, that my God is in concept the creator cause etc.

Otherwise atheists will get to you, to infect your minds with their wicked smears on God, following their smart idol, one Bertrand Russell, that God is an orbiting teapot in space, and they his thoughtless followers will still make God more ridiculous with such nonsense analogies as that God is a flying spaghetti monster.


Okay, here is how we come to the existence of God from our own existence:

1. We exist, to be certain, just touch your nose.

2. There are other things which also exist: to be certain, look at any wall at home, or at the clouds in the sky outside.

3. Observe and think that everything in existence that we come to know about, it has a beginning, for example, you yourselves have your beginning from your papa and mama, and the walls in your house have their beginning from home builders, and the clouds in the sky have their beginning from the water on the earth surface.

4. Now, we use the word, causation, to refer to the event in which one thing, let's call it effect, has a beginning in existence from another thing, let's call this second thing, cause.

5. You will notice that the cause can be also itself the effect from another cause, and this cause can be again the effect of still another cause.

6. Now, as you are members of the tribe homo sapiens, you will ask the question or even come to the conclusion: There has got to be an ultimate cause that is not itself the effect from still another cause.

7. But you meet someone who is not as honest intelligent productive as you are, and this lesser member of homo sapiens wants to insist that he and you will never reach the end in the series of effect from cause, as to come to a first cause that is not any effect from still another anterior cause.

8. At this point, you have to enlighten him about his being a dishonest un-intelligent un-productive thinker, so you are going to leave him for him to find his abode with amoeba and Covid-19 virus, and he can play his semantic trickery with them.

9. And there, that is how from our existence we come to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Let me read your comments or even objections, okay?



Marius Dejess posted Yesterday at 5:43 PM #542.
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Dear readers and my opponents here and also our articulate atheists:

I don't see anyone answering to my question:
  • Do you know you exist? If yes, then explain with concise clean simple intelligible words, how you come to know you exist, if no - then go away and keep company with amoeba and Covid-19: no member of the tribe homo sapiens will miss you.

So I will take the initiative to answer my own question:
  • 1. (a) I know I exist (b) because when I touch my nose I feel the presence of my nose.

    2. (a) is my declaration of my certainty in regard to my existence, (b) is the proof from evidence to support the certainty I have of my existence.

    3. (b) also answers the how of my arrival at certainty of my existence.

    4. You anyone a member of the tribe of homo sapiens, you can do the same experiment.

    5. And thereby we all are certain that we exist.


Tomorrow I will expatiate on how from our existence we can and will think with our mind all the way to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.
 

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Dear readers and my opponents and also atheists:

Yesterday I promised that I would expatiate on how from our certainty that we exist, we can and will come with thinking honestly intelligently and productively to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Please be patient with my continual repetition of the clause, God in concept as the etc, the reason is because readers must be enlightened again and again, that my God is in concept the creator cause etc.

Otherwise atheists will get to you, to infect your minds with their wicked smears on God, following their smart idol, one Bertrand Russell, that God is an orbiting teapot in space, and they his thoughtless followers will still make God more ridiculous with such nonsense analogies as that God is a flying spaghetti monster.


Okay, here is how we come to the existence of God from our own existence:

1. We exist, to be certain, just touch your nose.

2. There are other things which also exist: to be certain, look at any wall at home, or at the clouds in the sky outside.

3. Observe and think that everything in existence that we come to know about, it has a beginning, for example, you yourselves have your beginning from your papa and mama, and the walls in your house have their beginning from home builders, and the clouds in the sky have their beginning from the water on the earth surface.

4. Now, we use the word, causation, to refer to the event in which one thing, let's call it effect, has a beginning in existence from another thing, let's call this second thing, cause.

5. You will notice that the cause can be also itself the effect from another cause, and this cause can be again the effect of still another cause.

6. Now, as you are members of the tribe homo sapiens, you will ask the question or even come to the conclusion: There has got to be an ultimate cause that is not itself the effect from still another cause.

7. But you meet someone who is not as honest intelligent productive as you are, and this lesser member of homo sapiens wants to insist that he and you will never reach the end in the series of effect from cause, as to come to a first cause that is not any effect from still another anterior cause.

8. At this point, you have to enlighten him about his being a dishonest un-intelligent un-productive thinker, so you are going to leave him for him to find his abode with amoeba and Covid-19 virus, and he can play his semantic trickery with them.

9. And there, that is how from our existence we come to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Let me read your comments or even objections, okay?
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Marius Dejess

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The evidence for the Big Bang is the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, from this radiation scientists come to the age of the universe as some 13.8 billion years old.

Previous to this piece of information scholars thought that the universe was eternal, because they equated universe with existence.

But once scientists maintain that everything is material, namely, that there is no such thing as an immaterial something, scholars who are not happy with the they submit arbitrary insistence of scientists that everything is material, these scholars come to distinguish two kinds of existence, material and immaterial.

An example of material things is of course a pebble, and an example of immaterial things is of course an idea like all men are equal.

Now, what are more important material things or immaterial things?

As humans are the entities talking about material things and immaterial things, so we must ask with greater precision, thus: what are more important to humans: material things or immaterial things?

I submit without false modesty, that I am 100% certain that immaterial things are more important to man, than material things.

Consider this situation, a human got injured very gravely in his head from an accident in a construction site, that he became unconscious.

Being unconscious means that an unconscious human does not have ideas at all, but he is all materially complete.

The ideas are immaterial things inside his brain or more correctly inside his mind, but now being unconscious all ideas have gone out of existence inside his mind.

Now, consider that the politicians finally got into a nuclear holocaust war, which entirely destroyed all lives on earth, including of course all mankind.

So, no more mankind, and therefore no more ideas.

You mean that the idea, all men are equal, because all men have died, therefore all ideas have gone out of existence - considering that ideas are in the mind of man, and all minds have gone into extinction with the nuclear holocaust?

That is correct.

Not to worry, ideas are still existing, in the mind of God, and one day He will create mankind again.
 

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