I am not a fan of either team, but the refs must have been smoking crack in tonight's game. Poor calls (and more importantly, non-calls) on both teams, but the refs were definitely giving the Lakers more breaks. What's worse is that the foul calling was extremely inconsistent, and seemed to depend on body language more than actual contact. The refs took this a step further and started calling based on psychological interpretations to body language. For example if they thought a player was exaggerating they would ignore the call altogether. Someone should fire these jokers and get some refs who will call it just as they see it.
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I don't know about most corrupt in the world, but definitely most corrupt in the US. How's that?
No doubt, the Kings will complain for the next 48 hrs and get better treatment in game 7. And they probably deserve to.
My big problem with the NBA style of basketball is that so much of the game boils down to charges, flops, foot position, and that stupid circle under the basket. It used to be that to draw a charge, you had to be set, and set for a *while*. And drawing charges wasn't your main defensive move or team strategy either, it's something that has evolved in the last 10-15 yrs. This stupid crap of running in under a guy who's already in the air and successfully drawing a charge is ridiculous -- make a play for the ball. Sorry, I don't see the beauty in the perfect flop.
Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
I don't know about most corrupt in the world, but definitely most corrupt in the US. How's that?
No doubt, the Kings will complain for the next 48 hrs and get better treatment in game 7. And they probably deserve to.
My big problem with the NBA style of basketball is that so much of the game boils down to charges, flops, foot position, and that stupid circle under the basket. It used to be that to draw a charge, you had to be set, and set for a *while*. And drawing charges wasn't your main defensive move or team strategy either, it's something that has evolved in the last 10-15 yrs. This stupid crap of running in under a guy who's already in the air and successfully drawing a charge is ridiculous -- make a play for the ball. Sorry, I don't see the beauty in the perfect flop.
great points, i agree with everything you just said. I'm so tired of the fact that the flop has become a good strategy in the NBA now. Just one of the many things ruining the integrity of the game.
I am a hoops fan, but not really a big fan of either team...that being said..I am also a licensed HS basketball official...
Kobe clearly fouled Bibby...yes, Bibby's arm was on Kobe's side, but Kobe wasn't moving anywhere yet, so there is no foul on Bibby..he didn't actually grab Kobe until he started to fall from being smacked in the face..
The technical foul on Webber early in the game was not a good call..it is either a double technical on Kobe and Webber, or nothing at all....like the little confrontation between Divac and George later, which was a double technical...why they would call it one way early and another way late makes no sense whatsoever.
Shaq did NOT commit a flagrant foul on Funderburke..he actually made a clean block before his arm followed through and hit Funderburke...hard foul? Yes. Flagrant foul? No.
Divac diving in for the loose ball has not been called a foul all during the playoffs (on anyone on any team)..poor decision by the refs to start calling that type of call now.
Pollard's 6th foul was a good call...yes, his arms were straight up, but he kept moving into Shaq (he may have even been pushed a bit by Webber!).
Kings fans, lets not forget that the play leading to Divac's 6th foul was clearly, as clear as the Kobe on Bibby foul, a foul on Webber that was not called...as Horry tried to drive past him, Webber reached across and grabbed both of Horry's arms..it really was very clearly a foul, and there was no call.
Shaq is actually one of the better post players in the league about NOT traveling. I am confused as to where all these cries about him traveling are coming from. Webber actually travels quite a bit out in the open court...watch his pivot foot when he catches passes with his back to the basket, way out of the key..he really is sloppy with dragging it around..
As for flopping, Fisher and Divac do it quite a bit.
Kobe clearly fouled Bibby...yes, Bibby's arm was on Kobe's side, but Kobe wasn't moving anywhere yet, so there is no foul on Bibby..he didn't actually grab Kobe until he started to fall from being smacked in the face..
The technical foul on Webber early in the game was not a good call..it is either a double technical on Kobe and Webber, or nothing at all....like the little confrontation between Divac and George later, which was a double technical...why they would call it one way early and another way late makes no sense whatsoever.
Shaq did NOT commit a flagrant foul on Funderburke..he actually made a clean block before his arm followed through and hit Funderburke...hard foul? Yes. Flagrant foul? No.
Divac diving in for the loose ball has not been called a foul all during the playoffs (on anyone on any team)..poor decision by the refs to start calling that type of call now.
Pollard's 6th foul was a good call...yes, his arms were straight up, but he kept moving into Shaq (he may have even been pushed a bit by Webber!).
Kings fans, lets not forget that the play leading to Divac's 6th foul was clearly, as clear as the Kobe on Bibby foul, a foul on Webber that was not called...as Horry tried to drive past him, Webber reached across and grabbed both of Horry's arms..it really was very clearly a foul, and there was no call.
Shaq is actually one of the better post players in the league about NOT traveling. I am confused as to where all these cries about him traveling are coming from. Webber actually travels quite a bit out in the open court...watch his pivot foot when he catches passes with his back to the basket, way out of the key..he really is sloppy with dragging it around..
As for flopping, Fisher and Divac do it quite a bit.
yeah, running in under a guy who's flying to the basket to draw a charge is a terrible call. i think on the offensive side too (when the shooter gets his man in the air and then jumps into him) should be watched closely too.
Maybe when he gets a majority of his foul shots in, they'll stop hacking him...
:Q Yes - that tackle by Kobe was total bs, even if Bibby did have an arm around him, you don't give someone an elbow w/a bloody nose.
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Originally posted by: m2kewl
Maybe when he gets a majority of his foul shots in, they'll stop hacking him...
That should not be a consideration when calling fouls. And, how does the 13-17 he went from the line tonight grab you? Since he came back from the injured list for the last time this season, Shaq has been quietly shooting FT's well (for him).
Did you see that camera shot where the ref was looking straight at them and still didnt call it. I can understand not seeign it but that ref should NEVER miss a call like that
Hmm... looks like the NBA borrowed their refs from the WWE for this game. Anyway, I don't think the NBA is the most corrupt. They have nothing on MLB.
I was referring to the series/season FT averages. Sure he has a good night, but look at his overall season/playoff avg.
He's shooting 61% for the playoffs, which is pretty damn good for Shaq. And, he finished the season strong, shooting around 68-70% over his last 35 games. Plus, it still should have no bearing on how refs call games. fouls should be the same for guys who shoot 30% as guys that shoot 90%.
This is a quote from Phil Jackson after game 6:
``There were some very interesting sequences in this game that were some eye-openers,'' Lakers coach Phil Jackson admitted. ``I'm sure we'll want to take another look at them, both Rick and myself.'' -- Phil Jackson after game 6.
The coaches know what's up, and Phil's team won that game.
``There were some very interesting sequences in this game that were some eye-openers,'' Lakers coach Phil Jackson admitted. ``I'm sure we'll want to take another look at them, both Rick and myself.'' -- Phil Jackson after game 6.
The coaches know what's up, and Phil's team won that game.
considering the free throws, there is a rule which states (cut and paste from NBA.com)
The free throw shooter may not cross the plane of the free throw line until the ball touches the basket ring, backboard, or the free throw ends.
And watch Shaq at the free throw line.
The free throw shooter may not cross the plane of the free throw line until the ball touches the basket ring, backboard, or the free throw ends.
And watch Shaq at the free throw line.
Read this rule, and watch 90% of the players in the NBA:
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
h. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
i. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.
Also read this rule, and watch guys like Karl Malone:
After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free throw shooter, his attempt shall be within 10 seconds in such a way that the ball enters the basket or touches the ring before it is touched by a player.
The rules are not called fairly for everyone, that's the way the NBA is.
Look at it this way. Have you ever known or known of a business that wouldn't pull out all stops in order to get a couple of extra million in revenues? I didn't think so.
And yes, the NBA and NBC are businesses.
It's as simple as that and the refs know they have to do it to keep their jobs.
And yes, the NBA and NBC are businesses.
It's as simple as that and the refs know they have to do it to keep their jobs.
And I agree with that - and Shaq does get his share of calls when they hack-a-shaq. What I don't agree with is the elbow and bloddy nose Bibby received, which was the intention of this original post. It could of had an effect on the outcome of the game, since it was so close.
Isn't that kind of the whole point of Hack-a-Shaq? I wouldn't call that getting his fair share of calls. That's like saying the good FT shooters that are intentionally fouled at the end of tight games are getting their fair share of calls.
Couple points I'd like to make...
1. Can any of the conspiracy theorists here prove that the NBA and NBC are "persuading" refs to rig games for more revenue? Conjecturing can be fun, yes, but it doesn't really prove a thing now does it?
2. Is there a SINGLE person here that has taken NBA refereeing classes (scattered officiating info you picked up from the bus stop or online doesn't count).
I usually never comment on officiating, I simply don't know enough about it (haven't taken the time to learn really). However I really love to watch great athletes play ball, it?s an art form IMHO.
1. Can any of the conspiracy theorists here prove that the NBA and NBC are "persuading" refs to rig games for more revenue? Conjecturing can be fun, yes, but it doesn't really prove a thing now does it?
2. Is there a SINGLE person here that has taken NBA refereeing classes (scattered officiating info you picked up from the bus stop or online doesn't count).
I usually never comment on officiating, I simply don't know enough about it (haven't taken the time to learn really). However I really love to watch great athletes play ball, it?s an art form IMHO.
Those refs were clearly blind. I can't believe the Lakers got away with so many calls. Someone definitely paid the refs. Or, it could be that the NBA heads want to make more money. If they make the Kings lose, then everyone will be glued to their set on Sunday to watch a "close" game. It's just a piece of $hit game.
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