The Mundell-Laffer Classical Solution

PJABBER

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I am boggled by the complexity and the obfuscation of the "solutions" coming out of Washington.

The best and the brightest of our leftish Keynesian economists and social welfare political operatives are throwing together every kind of hare-brained, proven failed and counter-intuitive proposal that has ever been made in the modern era. And are happy to point out that the cost is mere trillions, few billions of which can be recovered through current and even forecast levels of tax revenue.

And to what result?

Increased unemployment, a significant slowdown in capital investment, a collapsing dollar value. That spells Big Trouble in Little China.

Like Kudlow, I am a supply-side fossil. I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past. But I also still believe this approach could work again, even if it's not going to happen.

[/i]The Mundell-Laffer Classical Solution

The Mundell-Laffer Classical Solution
By Larry Kudlow
October 8, 2009

Team Obama is in economic trouble on two fronts right now: The dollar could be headed toward its demise while the jobs and unemployment numbers have gotten worse. (The unemployment rate is up to 9.8 percent as of the September report released last week.) And there?s a simple policy mix the White House could adopt to fix this. It could enact the Mundell-Laffer supply-side approach of a steady King Dollar for price stability and low marginal tax rates to spur jobs and economic growth.

Columbia professor and Nobel Prize winner Robert Mundell and Reagan advisor Arthur Laffer put this formula to work nearly 30 years ago, and it launched a massive low-inflation, bull-market prosperity. Of course, I am a supply-side fossil. I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past. But I still believe this approach could work again, even if it's not going to happen.

The dollar has been falling on and off for nearly ten years, and it's in big trouble right now. The commodity inflation, housing bubble, and oil shock of recent years all can be traced to dollar weakness and excess money-creation by the Fed. A weak dollar helped destroy the Bush Boom and create the Great Recession. But now people are talking about ending the dollar's reserve-currency status.

According to London's Independent, the Arab oil producers in the Gulf are planning with China, Russia, Japan, and France to end dollar transactions for oil and move instead to a basket of currencies that might include the Japanese yen, the Chinese yuan, and the euro, along with gold and some kind of regional Gulf-state currency.

I say, where there's smoke there's fire. The dollar-demise story just won't go away, and it's clear now that China and others have lost confidence in the greenback. For the U.S., this is mostly a self-inflicted wound. And the Treasury and the Fed are in denial about it. The gold price has jumped all the way to $1,050, while the dollar index has fallen again. Without question, the U.S. is creating too many dollars through the Fed, and fiscal disarray continues to threaten more of the same.

And here's a real conflict brewing in the financial markets: The Fed is fighting deflation with a near-zero interest-rate target, while gold, the dollar, and commodity markets are signaling that inflation is the real problem. Somebody is going to be very right here, and somebody is going to be very wrong. I'm betting on the markets being right.

So I have a thought, at least for the short run: The Fed should follow Australia, the first G-20 country to raise its target interest rate. The Aussies lifted their rate a quarter point to 3.25 percent. Right now the U.S. Fed should lift its target rate by 25 basis points. The fed funds target is currently 15 basis points, so this move would make it 40 basis points. It would be a dollar-protection signal; a price-stability signal. At the least, it would be a beginning. Next, the Treasury should buy some dollars in the open market to back up the Fed.

And as the White House considers a second stimulus package, here's another thought: Go for growth. Reduce tax rates to provide growth incentives (something Team Obama has avoided like the plague). Cut the top corporate tax rate from 35 to 25 percent, and accompany that with a small-business tax cut from 35 to 25 percent. And leave the Bush tax cuts alone. Don't let them expire in 2011. That's cap-gains, dividends, and the top personal rate.

Yes, this is a supply-side solution: Reducing tax rates will ignite growth incentives.

And by applying it, Team Obama would be borrowing from George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, and John F. Kennedy. (And Calvin Coolidge and Andrew Mellon, too.) Forget about Keynesian spending multipliers, which Harvard's Robert Barrow writes are less than one. Forget about class warfare. Forget about income redistribution. Go for growth.

Again, I know I'm a supply-side fossil and a relic of the past. But the Mundell-Laffer policy plan -- which has worked historically for Republicans and Democrats -- could truly save the nation and its economy at this critical juncture. Monetary restraint and the incentives of lower tax rates will solve the dollar and unemployment problems.

In our supposedly post-partisan era, why not give it a try, President Obama?

Lawrence Kudlow is host of CNBC?s ?Kudlow & Company,? which airs nightly from 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. He is also the host of ?The Larry Kudlow Show? on WABC Radio on Saturdays from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.

Mr. Kudlow is a nationally syndicated columnist. He is a contributing editor of National Review magazine, as well as a columnist and economics editor for National Review Online. He is the author of "American Abundance: The New Economic and Moral Prosperity," published by Forbes in January 1998.

He is a Distinguished Scholar of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Arlington, Virginia.

Mr. Kudlow is CEO of Kudlow & Co., LLC, an economic and investment research firm.

For many years Mr. Kudlow served as chief economist for a number of Wall Street firms. He was a member of the Bush-Cheney Transition Advisory Committee. During President Reagan?s first term, Mr. Kudlow was the associate director for economics and planning, Office of Management and Budget, Executive Office of the President, where he was engaged in the development of the administration?s economic and budget policy.

He is a trusted advisor to many of our nation?s top decision-makers in Washington and has testified as an expert witness on economic matters before several congressional committees. He has also presented testimony at several Republican Governors Conferences.

Mr. Kudlow began his career as a staff economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, working in the areas of domestic open market operations and bank supervision.

Mr. Kudlow was educated at the University of Rochester and Princeton University?s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs.

 

sandorski

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That worked so well for 8 years cumulating in an Economic Orgasm never seen for Decades. I'm shocked Keynesian Economics has finally been embraced when the Laffer solution has been such a success!
 

miketheidiot

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Columbia professor and Nobel Prize winner Robert Mundell and Reagan advisor Arthur Laffer put this formula to work nearly 30 years ago, and it launched a massive series of bubbles, busts, and financial crises and a period where most people didn't see any real gains in income. Of course, I am a supply-side fossil. I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past. But I still believe this approach could work again, even if it's not going to happen.

fixed :D

The dollar has been falling on and off for nearly ten years, and it's in big trouble right now. The commodity inflation, housing bubble, and oil shock of recent years all can be traced to dollar weakness and excess money-creation by the Fed. A weak dollar helped destroy the Bush Boom and create the Great Recession. But now people are talking about ending the dollar's reserve-currency status.

lolwut?

According to London's Independent, the Arab oil producers in the Gulf are planning with China, Russia, Japan, and France to end dollar transactions for oil and move instead to a basket of currencies that might include the Japanese yen, the Chinese yuan, and the euro, along with gold and some kind of regional Gulf-state currency.

not only there there no evidence of this, the states involved deny it, but the independent is a tabloid with questionably credibility. In addition, several of the states tied to the plan are very dependent (mutually, actually) on the united states.

So I have a thought, at least for the short run: The Fed should follow Australia, the first G-20 country to raise its target interest rate. The Aussies lifted their rate a quarter point to 3.25 percent. Right now the U.S. Fed should lift its target rate by 25 basis points. The fed funds target is currently 15 basis points, so this move would make it 40 basis points. It would be a dollar-protection signal; a price-stability signal. At the least, it would be a beginning. Next, the Treasury should buy some dollars in the open market to back up the Fed.
these will both be happening within the next quarter or two.

And as the White House considers a second stimulus package, here's another thought: Go for growth. Reduce tax rates to provide growth incentives (something Team Obama has avoided like the plague). Cut the top corporate tax rate from 35 to 25 percent, and accompany that with a small-business tax cut from 35 to 25 percent. And leave the Bush tax cuts alone. Don't let them expire in 2011. That's cap-gains, dividends, and the top personal rate.
tax cuts are not incentives for growth, most analysis of the economy indicate that technological progress is, something that made great strides during the clinton and reagan years. In fact, most boom years have been after the rush of game changing new industries, whether the railroads and canals and the agricultural revolution in the early/mid 1800's, the automobile, airplane, telephone/telegraph at the turn of the century or computers and communications industry now.

Capital investment is a moderate contributor, and tax policy a moderate (and very debatable) impactor on investment.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: sandorski
That worked so well for 8 years cumulating in an Economic Orgasm never seen for Decades. I'm shocked Keynesian Economics has finally been embraced when the Laffer solution has been such a success!

Lessons need to be learned and learned again.

Don't think Keynesian economics is being employed to benefit the masses. It is a prescriptive for political power grabbing and retention.

The reason it keeps being rejected is that it doesn't work and political power is ultimately lost under the staggering weight of economic failure.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: sandorski
That worked so well for 8 years cumulating in an Economic Orgasm never seen for Decades. I'm shocked Keynesian Economics has finally been embraced when the Laffer solution has been such a success!

Lessons need to be learned and learned again.

Don't think Keynesian economics is being employed to benefit the masses. It is a prescriptive for political power grabbing and retention.

The reason it keeps being rejected is that it doesn't work and political power is ultimately lost under the staggering weight of economic failure.

Negative. It gets "rejected" because it isn't Politically expedient to stick with it.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: sandorski
That worked so well for 8 years cumulating in an Economic Orgasm never seen for Decades. I'm shocked Keynesian Economics has finally been embraced when the Laffer solution has been such a success!

Lessons need to be learned and learned again.

Don't think Keynesian economics is being employed to benefit the masses. It is a prescriptive for political power grabbing and retention.

The reason it keeps being rejected is that it doesn't work and political power is ultimately lost under the staggering weight of economic failure.

keynesian works pretty well, actually, just as parts of supply side theory have good points, etc.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
[ Wall of verbose jabber trimmed ]
Columbia professor and Nobel Prize winner Robert Mundell and Reagan advisor Arthur Laffer put this formula to work nearly 30 years ago, and it launched a massive low-inflation, bull-market prosperity. ...
Have to love the RNC revisionist history here. The "prosperity" of the Reagan years can be most directly traced to two things:

1. Massive government spending. As a percentage of GDP, Reagan is the biggest spender post-WWII, even beating out GWB (though George may have topped him in his last year, haven't checked the data recently). While the righties gush about Reagan's tax cuts, they somehow ignore his unbridled borrowing, burying future generations with trillions in new debt. He became the model for today's borrow-and-spend Republicans.

2. Tremendous advances in technology fueled by the microprocessor (and LSI chips generally) and the exploding growth in desktop computers. Reagan was in the right place at the right time, in the Oval Office just as the Information Age launched.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Another $5 in the bank, don't spend it all in one place.

I just have to make my post in this thread as my 1,000th post on AT Forums.

I never thought I would ever have so many chances to express myself outside of my highly lucrative day job and I owe it all to you who have done your best to make me the radical progressive that I have become.

That will be $5, please. PayPal accepted!

PS I AM NOW GOLDEN!!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

Jhhnn

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I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past - and I need to rise again

No, you need to take your meds, stop raving.

The Laffer curve is pure deception, at least when applied to historical US tax rates. Clinton raised taxes, and the economy took off, too, not to mention that federal debt acquisition virtually ceased towards the end of his second term...

I'm sure you won't allow facts to interfere with the formulation of your opinions, such as they are...
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
[ ... ]
I never thought I would ever have so many chances to express myself outside of my highly lucrative day job ...
In my experience, people who put on airs about their "lucrative" jobs and exotic lifestyles are usually 15 year old wannabes living in Mommy's basement. Dare to dream, PJ, dare to dream.

" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
[ ... ]
I never thought I would ever have so many chances to express myself outside of my highly lucrative day job ...
In my experience, people who put on airs about their "lucrative" jobs and exotic lifestyles are usually 15 year old wannabes living in Mommy's basement. Dare to dream, PJ, dare to dream.

" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "

Actually, I am semi-retired and living off a significant advance (thank you, Knopf!) to write a semi-autobiographical adventure book. I still lecture once in a while on corporate finance and do international development finance in my spare time. I split my time between the US, Europe, Asia and even South America. I am working on getting my dream team of Nugent/Palin into the White House in 2012.

:D :beer: :D

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
[ ... ]
I never thought I would ever have so many chances to express myself outside of my highly lucrative day job ...
In my experience, people who put on airs about their "lucrative" jobs and exotic lifestyles are usually 15 year old wannabes living in Mommy's basement. Dare to dream, PJ, dare to dream.

" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "

Actually, I am semi-retired and living off a significant advance (thank you, Knopf!) to write a semi-autobiographical adventure book.
Well if your posting here is any indication odds are your book will a work of plagarism.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
I am working on getting my dream team of Nugent/Palin into the White House in 2012.

:D :beer: :D

Funny, I had you pegged for the Limbaugh/Coulter ticket.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: PJABBER
[ ... ]
I never thought I would ever have so many chances to express myself outside of my highly lucrative day job ...
In my experience, people who put on airs about their "lucrative" jobs and exotic lifestyles are usually 15 year old wannabes living in Mommy's basement. Dare to dream, PJ, dare to dream.

" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "

Actually, I am semi-retired and living off a significant advance (thank you, Knopf!) to write a semi-autobiographical adventure book.
Well if your posting here is any indication odds are your book will a work of plagarism.

I promise to use unattributed quotes from you alone.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[Well if your posting here is any indication odds are your book will a work of plagiarism.

I promise to use unattributed quotes from you alone.
I thought you said you were semi-retired, not semi-retarded:shocked:

 

Pens1566

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Awesome. The illegitimate love child of Lee Iacocca and Indiana Jones is taking time out of his busy (and quite lucrative) schedule to constantly troll AT P&N. Thank you Dos Equis Man!!!!
 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
I am boggled by the complexity and the obfuscation of the "solutions" coming out of Washington.

The best and the brightest of our leftish Keynesian economists and social welfare political operatives are throwing together every kind of hare-brained, proven failed and counter-intuitive proposal that has ever been made in the modern era. And are happy to point out that the cost is mere trillions, few billions of which can be recovered through current and even forecast levels of tax revenue.

And to what result?

Increased unemployment, a significant slowdown in capital investment, a collapsing dollar value. That spells Big Trouble in Little China.

Like Kudlow, I am a supply-side fossil. I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past. But I also still believe this approach could work again, even if it's not going to happen.

[/i]The Mundell-Laffer Classical Solution

The Mundell-Laffer Classical Solution
By Larry Kudlow
October 8, 2009

Team Obama is in economic trouble on two fronts right now: The dollar could be headed toward its demise while the jobs and unemployment numbers have gotten worse. (The unemployment rate is up to 9.8 percent as of the September report released last week.) And there?s a simple policy mix the White House could adopt to fix this. It could enact the Mundell-Laffer supply-side approach of a steady King Dollar for price stability and low marginal tax rates to spur jobs and economic growth.

Columbia professor and Nobel Prize winner Robert Mundell and Reagan advisor Arthur Laffer put this formula to work nearly 30 years ago, and it launched a massive low-inflation, bull-market prosperity. Of course, I am a supply-side fossil. I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past. But I still believe this approach could work again, even if it's not going to happen.

The dollar has been falling on and off for nearly ten years, and it's in big trouble right now. The commodity inflation, housing bubble, and oil shock of recent years all can be traced to dollar weakness and excess money-creation by the Fed. A weak dollar helped destroy the Bush Boom and create the Great Recession. But now people are talking about ending the dollar's reserve-currency status.

According to London's Independent, the Arab oil producers in the Gulf are planning with China, Russia, Japan, and France to end dollar transactions for oil and move instead to a basket of currencies that might include the Japanese yen, the Chinese yuan, and the euro, along with gold and some kind of regional Gulf-state currency.

I say, where there's smoke there's fire. The dollar-demise story just won't go away, and it's clear now that China and others have lost confidence in the greenback. For the U.S., this is mostly a self-inflicted wound. And the Treasury and the Fed are in denial about it. The gold price has jumped all the way to $1,050, while the dollar index has fallen again. Without question, the U.S. is creating too many dollars through the Fed, and fiscal disarray continues to threaten more of the same.

And here's a real conflict brewing in the financial markets: The Fed is fighting deflation with a near-zero interest-rate target, while gold, the dollar, and commodity markets are signaling that inflation is the real problem. Somebody is going to be very right here, and somebody is going to be very wrong. I'm betting on the markets being right.

So I have a thought, at least for the short run: The Fed should follow Australia, the first G-20 country to raise its target interest rate. The Aussies lifted their rate a quarter point to 3.25 percent. Right now the U.S. Fed should lift its target rate by 25 basis points. The fed funds target is currently 15 basis points, so this move would make it 40 basis points. It would be a dollar-protection signal; a price-stability signal. At the least, it would be a beginning. Next, the Treasury should buy some dollars in the open market to back up the Fed.

And as the White House considers a second stimulus package, here's another thought: Go for growth. Reduce tax rates to provide growth incentives (something Team Obama has avoided like the plague). Cut the top corporate tax rate from 35 to 25 percent, and accompany that with a small-business tax cut from 35 to 25 percent. And leave the Bush tax cuts alone. Don't let them expire in 2011. That's cap-gains, dividends, and the top personal rate.

Yes, this is a supply-side solution: Reducing tax rates will ignite growth incentives.

And by applying it, Team Obama would be borrowing from George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, and John F. Kennedy. (And Calvin Coolidge and Andrew Mellon, too.) Forget about Keynesian spending multipliers, which Harvard's Robert Barrow writes are less than one. Forget about class warfare. Forget about income redistribution. Go for growth.

Again, I know I'm a supply-side fossil and a relic of the past. But the Mundell-Laffer policy plan -- which has worked historically for Republicans and Democrats -- could truly save the nation and its economy at this critical juncture. Monetary restraint and the incentives of lower tax rates will solve the dollar and unemployment problems.

In our supposedly post-partisan era, why not give it a try, President Obama?

Lawrence Kudlow is host of CNBC?s ?Kudlow & Company,? which airs nightly from 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. He is also the host of ?The Larry Kudlow Show? on WABC Radio on Saturdays from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.

Mr. Kudlow is a nationally syndicated columnist. He is a contributing editor of National Review magazine, as well as a columnist and economics editor for National Review Online. He is the author of "American Abundance: The New Economic and Moral Prosperity," published by Forbes in January 1998.

He is a Distinguished Scholar of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Arlington, Virginia.

Mr. Kudlow is CEO of Kudlow & Co., LLC, an economic and investment research firm.

For many years Mr. Kudlow served as chief economist for a number of Wall Street firms. He was a member of the Bush-Cheney Transition Advisory Committee. During President Reagan?s first term, Mr. Kudlow was the associate director for economics and planning, Office of Management and Budget, Executive Office of the President, where he was engaged in the development of the administration?s economic and budget policy.

He is a trusted advisor to many of our nation?s top decision-makers in Washington and has testified as an expert witness on economic matters before several congressional committees. He has also presented testimony at several Republican Governors Conferences.

Mr. Kudlow began his career as a staff economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, working in the areas of domestic open market operations and bank supervision.

Mr. Kudlow was educated at the University of Rochester and Princeton University?s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs.




Do yourself a favor and go find a graph of public and private debt. Then look and see how that graph correlates to the adoption of supply-side economics. Our growth in the 80s and 90s wasn't due to supply-side economics, it was due to an exponential increase in borrowing that brought us out of stagflation (and, at the time, killed many economically weaker countries in the process). What you see now is simply the realization that collecting more debt to purchase all that new supply isn't working. It's not the ultimate failure of Keynes (not that anyone here understands Keynes).
 

shira

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
I am boggled by the complexity and the obfuscation of the "solutions" coming out of Washington.

The best and the brightest of our leftish Keynesian economists and social welfare political operatives are throwing together every kind of hare-brained, proven failed and counter-intuitive proposal that has ever been made in the modern era. And are happy to point out that the cost is mere trillions, few billions of which can be recovered through current and even forecast levels of tax revenue.

And to what result?

Increased unemployment, a significant slowdown in capital investment, a collapsing dollar value. That spells Big Trouble in Little China.

Like Kudlow, I am a supply-side fossil. I am a dinosaur and a relic of the past. But I also still believe this approach could work again, even if it's not going to happen.

I see. The RESPONSE to the economic crisis is the CAUSE of "Increased unemployment, a significant slowdown in capital investment, a collapsing dollar." Those couldn't possibly be the effects of the economic crisis itself.

And it's not possible that things would be MUCH worse if "leftish Keynesian economists and social welfare political operatives" hadn't acted as they did.

And you know these things because . . . ????
 

heyheybooboo

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Arthur Laffer is an idiot.

And any suggestion of lowering tax rates with federal receipts at their lowest percentage of GDP since the early 1950s (and going even lower in 2010 because that is when the Bush/GOP tax cuts will have their fullest impact) is just plain fucking stupid.

Why don't you dumb asses come up with a way to pay for your two wars, your two major tax cuts, your 'Leave No Idiot Behind' education program and your Big Pharma Drug Scam before cutting any more taxes ?