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The Mueller Report 2.0

cytg111

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TheVrolok

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Everybody already knows it, because it's true. Nothing is going to happen to Trump because he's above the law. Not changing anytime soon. Yes, it will encourage worse behavior in the future. Country is fucked. It's simply way too late.
 

fskimospy

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Evidence is there.
But optics.
And gaming.
And scheming.

What about duty? And not reinforcing what everyone already knows, that rule of law is for thee.
I think they will end up making a referral but you’re right, Mueller shows why this sort of dancing doesn’t work. Mueller clearly believed Trump had committed one or more crimes but by refusing to say so for the sake of appearances allowed dishonest people to claim otherwise.

Keep it simple. If you think he committed a crime, say so.
 

cytg111

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I think they will end up making a referral but you’re right, Mueller shows why this sort of dancing doesn’t work. Mueller clearly believed Trump had committed one or more crimes but by refusing to say so for the sake of appearances allowed dishonest people to claim otherwise.

Keep it simple. If you think he committed a crime, say so.

And if the dominos fall in an order that is suboptimal to your perceived global strategy... too fucking bad, duty is duty truth is truth... start talking straight to the people instead of this bullshit.
 

ch33zw1z

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lol dude, he can barely figure out how to open another tab and search, i doubt browser reader mode is in his capabilities. Learnin' ain't his thang.

 
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fskimospy

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And if the dominos fall in an order that is suboptimal to your perceived global strategy... too fucking bad, duty is duty truth is truth... start talking straight to the people instead of this bullshit.
Also I think people vastly overestimate their ability to predict how those dominos will fall so when in doubt do what you think is right.
 

Greenman

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I think they will end up making a referral but you’re right, Mueller shows why this sort of dancing doesn’t work. Mueller clearly believed Trump had committed one or more crimes but by refusing to say so for the sake of appearances allowed dishonest people to claim otherwise.

Keep it simple. If you think he committed a crime, say so.
So Mueller spent a couple of years time and millions of taxpayer dollars investigating Trumps crimes then decided to leave critical information out of his report?
 

fskimospy

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So Mueller spent a couple of years time and millions of taxpayer dollars investigating Trumps crimes then decided to leave critical information out of his report?
Nope, it's all in the report. Mueller repeatedly details how Trump fulfilled all the necessary elements for indictment on multiple crimes.

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If you're interested in an in-depth legal analysis of the statements in the report it's here:


Essentially any time you see three red boxes that means sufficient evidence for indictment. When you see something less than that it gets a little fuzzier.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Nope, it's all in the report. Mueller repeatedly details how Trump fulfilled all the necessary elements for indictment on multiple crimes.

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If you're interested in an in-depth legal analysis of the statements in the report it's here:


Essentially any time you see three red boxes that means sufficient evidence for indictment. When you see something less than that it gets a little fuzzier.
So Mueller spent a couple of years time and millions of taxpayer dollars investigating Trumps crimes then decided to leave critical information out of his report?
Also, not that the original cost of $25M was a lot of money, but Mueller's report made money for the Govt. Quit repeating this lie.
 

TheVrolok

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So Mueller spent a couple of years time and millions of taxpayer dollars investigating Trumps crimes then decided to leave critical information out of his report?

That investigation was net positive in cash, it made money. The details of his crimes were plainly included and Mueller also clearly articulated he was deferring to DoJ policy when not recommending indictment (which states a sitting president cannot be indicted).

This is all common publicly available knowledge, yet it does not shock me that you aren't aware.
 

fskimospy

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Guy who totally doesn't consume conservative media trots out tired old conservative media talking points that dishonestly frame what was in the Mueller report.
This is of course exactly what I'm talking about - because Mueller said he wouldn't make a 'prosecutorial judgment' because no matter what his findings are DOJ policy says you can't indict the president years later we have people still claiming the report didn't show how Trump had committed crimes despite it very clearly doing so.

The 1/6 committee should take this lesson to heart - if you leave any ambiguity conservatives will pretend it fully exonerates them, no matter how damning the actual facts of the report. Hell, they will probably claim it exonerates them anyway but you don't have to do their work for them.
 

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brandonbull

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Evidence is there.
But optics.
And gaming.
And scheming.

What about duty? And not reinforcing what everyone already knows, that rule of law is for thee.
Mueller Report 2.0? Does this version come with more of the investigators getting in trouble than the subjects of the investigation like 1.0 did? Does the 2.0 version get new and improved Russian disinformation paid for by the Bidens and the DNC?
 

cytg111

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Mueller Report 2.0? Does this version come with more of the investigators getting in trouble than the subjects of the investigation like 1.0 did? Does the 2.0 version get new and improved Russian disinformation paid for by the Bidens and the DNC?
Lost another chromosome? Dont think youll find it here but feel free to look around. Bless you.
 

fskimospy

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That is an interesting take on investigating Trump-Russia collusion. As long as we turn a profit, it's ok to run shame investigations.
You realize that money came after Manafort was tried and convicted, correct?

Also, your statement about the Mueller investigation is false unless you're counting people Trump pardoned - and counting those just shows even more corruption that should be prosecuted. Agree?
 
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Pohemi

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This is all common publicly available knowledge, yet it does not shock me that you aren't aware.
Oh he's well aware. He's just dishonest about these types of "questionable" subjects that he can throw FUD on, even if/when they are quite clear cut. See RWNJ media for examples of how he/they come to these conclusions. It's a hell of a lot of dishonesty to convince the rest of the less-intelligent voting base. And unfortunately, it works too well with the imbeciles.