The most ANOYING problem

[jolancer]

ok, this is a wierd problem, but id assume im not the only one who's ran into this. cause its a problem fora common device.

(nutshell)
(XP pro, sp1, fully updated)(not sp2)
device- mitumi floppy/7in 1 memcard reader.
model#: fa404m

memcard reader accessed threw internal usb 2.0

first time system starts the device is recognized fine, using 'usb mass storage divece driver' from "c:\windows\system32\drivers\usbstor.sys"

after a couple to a few restarts, the device is nolonger recongnized... in divice manager it's now showing as "unknown device"... 'no driver installed'.

only way for me to get it recognized again is to 'shut down pc'... then 'unplug it from the wall' till u hear that residual power drain. then plug it back in and reboot... the device is then detected properly... but only for the time being... if i restart a few more times it will no longer be recongized, then i must unplug again.
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iv had a similar problem with a diff usb device ona diff pc...( usb game controller, on XP home)

but with that usb controller, i could just uninstall, plug it back in, let it redetect and it would work.
even after i uninstall the memcard reader though and have it redetect, it will only redetect it as a 'Unknown device".

the usb game controler use to give me an error stating something like - 'device failed to starts, something about something remaining in memory'

i suspect this memcard usb problem im having is similar, but not the same. and iv tryed searching for some vauge fix's, but i dont even know were to start for searching for such a prob, since there are soo many usb probs, and there realy hard to narrow down and differentiate.

i know theres gota be a fix out there, i just dont know were. any help is greatly appreciated. Thx a Lot. This i 1 of the most F'in Anoying probs iv run accross.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Have you tried plugging it into a different USB port?
Remove any USB hubs you've got it plugged into (if you do).
Stop restarting so much.

 

[Cheezeit]

Wow, thats a weird problem.
have you tried to go to the mitumi website and checking for a driver? Maybe the one windows supplies is faulty?

 

[jolancer]

Thx for the help guys.

Even weirder.... and pissing me offf....

n0cmonkey) its not an external card reader, its an internal one. the usb port is fine, it detects it every time, its just windows detects it as a 'unknown device'.... i was restarting at the time, because i was installing a bunch of stuff, and restarted every know and then so changes could take affect.

Cheezeit) i did try the manufactures site, and there are no drivers for it. its a plug and play device... The windows drivers actually work fine, iv tested it when it was detected properly.
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I realy appreciat the help, iv posted this other placess and no one seems to know anything about it(cause i get no replys)

but this is all i could do so far.... i enabled to show hidden divices in device manager by adding something like dvmgr_showhidden_device = 1 in system variables( for example i dont remember exactly)

the usb "masstorage device'(under USB) and the 2 'removeable drives'(under drives) are still in device manager, just grayed out as inactive. but the usb device is active as 'unknown device' with no dirves pressent. as if its assuming its a diffferent device. Though remember, this only happens after 3 to 5 restarts. so i suspect it has to be some kind of windows memory issue.

so all i did for now is, i powered it down, and cleared the cmos. let it sit fora bit, and powered it back up... so its deteced properly at the moment, as 1 usb masstorage device with 2 removable drives. and iv only had to restart about 3x so far, and its still fine at the moment, but i suspect its going to not be detected tomarrow.

 

[tiap]

Ive ran into a problem as yours with xppro sp2. I have a machine that worked flawlessly fo a couple of years. I would add additional hdrives using mobile trays for testing and various other reasons, some with os on them and some just data. Never ever had a problem. Then I installed sp2. The next time I put a 2nd hard drive with an os on it it gave me a boot has changed notice right after the bios reckognized the the hardrives, with a choice of entering the bios, I just continued. And I couldn't read the additional drives. Now this happened with the 2nd channel mb controller and also the additonal promise ide controller, all of which worked perfectly with sp1. At the same time internal usb card reader stopped working, even with the additional hdrive out.
All I can think of is that maybe this sp2 dep stuff may have something to do with it. Just a wild guess because I haven't bothered to try and track it down.
I do know that going back to sp1 cured everything.

 

[jolancer]

i dont have sp2 installled. but now that u mention it.

i dont recall having any probs with the memcard reader, untill after i installed everything, and the last thing i did was run windows update, and installled a hole bunch of updates, not including sp2 though.
thx for the info. but thats agana be a b*tch to track down if its one of the numorouse updates i installed, example - like 40 updates or more.

 

[imported_Phil]

THANK GOD someone else has the same problem that I do with a card reader!

My system is SP2 unfortunately, but I do get the exact same thing. It drives me MAD :| :|

Bump for a resolution for jolancer and I.

 

[jolancer]

update....

i was getting pissed off, so i started trying everything....

i un-installed all the windows updates that showed in add/remove programs... didnt do anything.

i changed the usb port it was using... restarted neumours times wile adding 5xp updates at a time (just incse it was 1 of the updates). and so far it was detected fine every time. i hope its still going to work tommarow too though, so i can end this stupid crap and put it behind me.

odd thing though... there are 5 internal usb ports on my bourd, and 1 of them said it was specific for memcard readers. i took it off that port and put it on 1 of the other 4 and it seem to work fine at the moment, F*cking stupid crap. still didnt install sp2 though, just the sp1 updates.

 

[tiap]

I was thinking of getting a mem card reader that hooks up to ide . They are supposed to be really fast. I'm not comfortable with this usb since I put on sp2

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: tiap
I was thinking of getting a mem card reader that hooks up to ide . They are supposed to be really fast. I'm not comfortable with this usb since I put on sp2

To be honest, when it's working, my card reader is fast - easily 10Mb/sec and upwards write speed with a 512Mb SD card. I doubt you'll see anything more than that with an IDE interface model as you'll approach the limits of the card before you do the USB2 interface.

 

[Abzstrak]

If changing the ports continues to have problems, I'd look toward USB chipset drivers

 

[spacelord]

I have the same issues with my Mitsumi 7-in-1. Their tech support acknowledges no problems with XP2 or need for drivers. It does seem that mine went to hell after SP2.

 

[jolancer]

update - the compute has gone threw several restarts today. and i believe its safe to say that my problem has been resolved. it has been detected every time so far.

so the resolution to my particular situation was to switch it to a different internal usb port. (example- u know how thy group 2 internal usb ports in the same place... my bourd had 3 groups... 2 groups with 2xusb's, and 1 groupe with just 1xusb for memcards... i took it off that and put it on an unused group of ports)
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i did as much research as i could about usb host controller chipset dirvers. and i installed the latest via drivers for the controller, but i also found that via stated that the newest usb2.0 dirvers for XP are only avalible by updating to SP1 or higher.... i already had SP1 though.
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i dont know how the pricess vary on memcard readers, but if EIDE card readers are more expensive... you may wont to just try out the USB2.0 ones first... because the problems that some of use are having may not be that wide spread.. but if eide card readers arnt that much more, you would prolly definatly eliminate some possible troubles.

 

[tiap]

Originally posted by: jolancer
update - the compute has gone threw several restarts today. and i believe its safe to say that my problem has been resolved. it has been detected every time so far.

so the resolution to my particular situation was to switch it to a different internal usb port. (example- u know how thy group 2 internal usb ports in the same place... my bourd had 3 groups... 2 groups with 2xusb's, and 1 groupe with just 1xusb for memcards... i took it off that and put it on an unused group of ports)
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i did as much research as i could about usb host controller chipset dirvers. and i installed the latest via drivers for the controller, but i also found that via stated that the newest usb2.0 dirvers for XP are only avalible by updating to SP1 or higher.... i already had SP1 though.
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i dont know how the pricess vary on memcard readers, but if EIDE card readers are more expensive... you may wont to just try out the USB2.0 ones first... because the problems that some of use are having may not be that wide spread.. but if eide card readers arnt that much more, you would prolly definatly eliminate some possible troubles.

Glad you got it going, and I hate to burst your bubble, but that's what I did several month's ago. Then after sp2 I got the problem constantly. I can fool with the bios and get the mem card (usb) working, but as soon as I put in a mobile tray, it will screw up again. So keep that in the back of your mind if yours ever happens again. Perhaps you can find a better answer than me.
I've seen ide card readers for around 60 bucks, expensive compared to usb, but I'm sure they are very reliable.