The Moon We Left Behind

[piasabird]

You people dont even understand anything. When you run a space program, you are keeping thousands of people employed. Or just look at a proposal to build a few more planes for the Air Force for our defense. This represents a lot of jobs and income potential for the aircraft industry. The president wasted trillions with no real jobs to show for it, just to prop up a few bankers. If that money was spent on real goods and orders for real planes thousands more people would be working. We dont need more money for the government to waste we need jobs.

If missles start flying toward California from China or North Korea it will be too late to wish you could intercept the missles. If we drop the ball it is too late to build the weapons we need because it could take years just to build one plane. If you have to lay off all of the people with the know how, it will take years for someone to graduate from High School, and earn that 12 years of post secondary education to earn his PHD, just to be smart enough to start doing design and engineering work. If we have no money for programs like this, then even our education system will suffer.

Knock, Knock, is anyone home?

We can always get some experts from China or North Korea to help us out.

There is not even a company in the USA capable of building a Nuclear Power Plant.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: piasabird
You people dont even understand anything. When you run a space program, you are keeping thousands of people employed. Or just look at a proposal to build a few more planes for the Air Force for our defense. This represents a lot of jobs and income potential for the aircraft industry. The president wasted trillions with no real jobs to show for it, just to prop up a few bankers. If that money was spent on real goods and orders for real planes thousands more people would be working. We dont need more money for the government to waste we need jobs.

If missles start flying toward California from China or North Korea it will be too late to wish you could intercept the missles. If we drop the ball it is too late to build the weapons we need because it could take years just to build one plane. If you have to lay off all of the people with the know how, it will take years for someone to graduate from High School, and earn that 12 years of post secondary education to earn his PHD, just to be smart enough to start doing design and engineering work. If we have no money for programs like this, then even our education system will suffer.

Knock, Knock, is anyone home?

We can always get some experts from China or North Korea to help us out.

There is not even a company in the USA capable of building a Nuclear Power Plant.

At least you are OK with government spending money to create jobs. I am glad you are coming around on that one.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: piasabird

If missles start flying toward California from China or North Korea it will be too late to wish you could intercept the missles. .

Spoken like a true conservative.... Chicken shit, scared of everything. you always have a boogyman.

Grow a pair and man-up.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: piasabird
You people dont even understand anything. When you run a space program, you are keeping thousands of people employed. Or just look at a proposal to build a few more planes for the Air Force for our defense. This represents a lot of jobs and income potential for the aircraft industry. The president wasted trillions with no real jobs to show for it, just to prop up a few bankers. If that money was spent on real goods and orders for real planes thousands more people would be working. We dont need more money for the government to waste we need jobs.

If missles start flying toward California from China or North Korea it will be too late to wish you could intercept the missles. If we drop the ball it is too late to build the weapons we need because it could take years just to build one plane. If you have to lay off all of the people with the know how, it will take years for someone to graduate from High School, and earn that 12 years of post secondary education to earn his PHD, just to be smart enough to start doing design and engineering work. If we have no money for programs like this, then even our education system will suffer.

Knock, Knock, is anyone home?

We can always get some experts from China or North Korea to help us out.

There is not even a company in the USA capable of building a Nuclear Power Plant.

Socialism by any other name would smell just as repugnant. Welfare or make-work, it's all the same

Oh, and BTW, a US company is who makes all the nuclear power plants for the rest of the world. Get a fscking clue, moron.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: piasabird
You people dont even understand anything. When you run a space program, you are keeping thousands of people employed. Or just look at a proposal to build a few more planes for the Air Force for our defense. This represents a lot of jobs and income potential for the aircraft industry. The president wasted trillions with no real jobs to show for it, just to prop up a few bankers. If that money was spent on real goods and orders for real planes thousands more people would be working. We dont need more money for the government to waste we need jobs.

If missles start flying toward California from China or North Korea it will be too late to wish you could intercept the missles. If we drop the ball it is too late to build the weapons we need because it could take years just to build one plane. If you have to lay off all of the people with the know how, it will take years for someone to graduate from High School, and earn that 12 years of post secondary education to earn his PHD, just to be smart enough to start doing design and engineering work. If we have no money for programs like this, then even our education system will suffer.

Knock, Knock, is anyone home?

We can always get some experts from China or North Korea to help us out.

There is not even a company in the USA capable of building a Nuclear Power Plant.

Socialism by any other name would smell just as repugnant. Welfare or make-work, it's all the same

Oh, and BTW, a US company is who makes all the nuclear power plants for the rest of the world. Get a fscking clue, moron.

He's referring to the reactor vessel forgings for newer reactors which are so large that only one remaining forge in the world can make them in one piece outside of Russia, namely the Muroran plant on Hokkaido owned by Japanese Steel Works.

Since the US market for nuclear plants went into a coma 30 years ago there was no incentive for US steelmakers to develop and retain the infrastructure needed to forge one piece metal components from 500 and 600 ton ingots. Several companies in the UK, France, and South Korea have been working on their own forging processes for components of this size to break the supply bottleneck. The French company Areva is also building a forge at Newport News in a joint venture with Northrop-Grumman to produce these for the revived US market.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Why do it? It's not for practicality. We didn't go to the moon to spin off cooling suits and freeze-dried fruit. Any technological return is a bonus, not a reason. We go for the wonder and glory of it. Or, to put it less grandly, for its immense possibilities. We choose to do such things, said JFK, "not because they are easy, but because they are hard." And when you do such magnificently hard things -- send sailing a Ferdinand Magellan or a Neil Armstrong -- you open new human possibility in ways utterly unpredictable.

And today we have become a nation of mediocrity interested only in immediate profits along with their fleeting pleasures constantly consuming the new before we have even finished with the old, while looking at our neighhbors plate with an envious eye.

lol i love sensationalism and hyperbole too

lol, I love when people learn a new word they think it applies to everything. If you think the US is not a nation interested in short term immediate profits and mass jealous consumerism then you are a fucking moron.

 

[fisheerman]

The reason we haven't been back to the moon cuz whe figured out back in the 70's that it is just a big block of rock with ash on top.

We went to the moon to say we went.

Been there! done that.

Unless we are going to Mars I say don't waste the money.

 

[episodic]

We need a space elevator. . . .

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: retrospooty


I am not saying don't do it ever... I am saying during the worst recession since the depression is not the time to spend that money.
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Isn't this the whole premise of the stimulus plan? Think of the jobs that would be created, scientists, engineers, manufacturing etc, decent paying jobs that probably can't be outsourced.

I dont see that as happening. At this point it would be mostly R&D by a handful of rocket scientists. It not like hiring 100's of thousands of people.

You obviously know nothing about engineering and building massive aerospace vehicles. For example, just the F136 fighter engine employs over 1,000 engineers at GE and Rolls Royce, not to mention the hundreds at subcontractors and thousands of well paid machinist, techs, etc. BTW: The F136 is stupid simple compared to Constellation.

Also space technology doesn't just develop on it own, it has to be driven, to drive a technology requires projects and experience.

 

[Sacrilege]

More piling on by the previous administrator of NASA:

Washington Post Op Ed

We're willing to spend hundreds of billions of dollars bailing out failed enterprises, but we're not willing to spend more than a half-penny of the federal budget dollar to support one of the greatest enterprises in history.

:brokenheart:

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
More piling on by the previous administrator of NASA:

Washington Post Op Ed

We're willing to spend hundreds of billions of dollars bailing out failed enterprises, but we're not willing to spend more than a half-penny of the federal budget dollar to support one of the greatest enterprises in history.

:brokenheart:

Thanks! This editorial deserves its own thread. Hope you don't mind if I make it happen.

Space: The Last Frontier!

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Space: The Final Frontier!

Fixed

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Space: The Final Frontier!

Fixed

Muchas gracias!

 

[IceBergSLiM]

We have spent plenty on Nasa over the years. When they present a viable business model they should have no problem recieving funding from private and public sources.

When the settlers of the new world found this country was it funded by the government? HELL NO. Why should space be any different?

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
We have spent plenty on Nasa over the years. When they present a viable business model they should have no problem recieving funding from private and public sources.

When the settlers of the new world found this country was it funded by the government? HELL NO. Why should space be any different?

NASA != a business

No one is going to fund initial research into space exploration because the costs are too high, the risk is too high, and the intermediate to short term gains are too small. Government funded research for now is the only way that space can be opened in the long term.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: owensdj
.... Which would you rather see, a video of some guys playing around on the surface of the moon or discovery of another habitable planet in our galaxy?

I def want to find a planet with 90 percent women. That would be sweet... Yeah they should be nekkid too..

Death by snoosnoo!

I never thought I'd die like this...........But I always hoped!

BTW, read Kirk's posts, some of you might learn something.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
We have spent plenty on Nasa over the years. When they present a viable business model they should have no problem recieving funding from private and public sources.

When the settlers of the new world found this country was it funded by the government? HELL NO. Why should space be any different?

NASA != a business

No one is going to fund initial research into space exploration because the costs are too high, the risk is too high, and the intermediate to short term gains are too small. Government funded research for now is the only way that space can be opened in the long term.

I agree in the past that was the model. BUt maybe its time they change there mission statement and incorporate some revenue generating activities to help subsidize their purely research related expenses.

The eccentric billionaire that owns virgin plans on have viable space flight business.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I agree in the past that was the model. BUt maybe its time they change there mission statement and incorporate some revenue generating activities to help subsidize their purely research related expenses.

The eccentric billionaire that owns virgin plans on have viable space flight business.

The government owns the patents to the technology developed for the space program, not sure what they charge in royalties, etc.

Also note that Branson "plans" to have a viable "space" business. SpaceX also "plans" to have a viable space business. Neither of which have yet to make a profit. Not to mention both companies are using technology developed by/for NASA.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Originally posted by: senseamp

At least you are OK with government spending money to create jobs. I am glad you are coming around on that one.

Look, our current leadership is more than happy to spend dollars on organizations like ACORN run by ex-cons. I'd rather spend that money on PRODUCTIVE members of society, engineers instead of HUD housing for welfare queens/drug dealers and their progeny.

 

[Atheus]

Is it really that important that the USA has a launch vehicle right now, or is it more important that human beings in general make progress in space? Europe and Russia are quite capable of shooting whatever you want into space for relatively little money - why don't you spend your space budget on a new telescope or a modular mars base or something? Just a thought.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Is it really that important that the USA has a launch vehicle right now, or is it more important that human beings in general make progress in space? Europe and Russia are quite capable of shooting whatever you want into space for relatively little money - why don't you spend your space budget on a new telescope or a modular mars base or something? Just a thought.

They can put stuff in orbit as well as we can with the Delta IV and Atlas V. We're going to need a lot more oomph to get bigger payloads to the moon and beyond which is why we are developing the Ares. The Ares V will be able to throw substantially more weight than the Saturn V.