The mobile Athlon 64 and motherboards

[jkresh]

ok, regardless of 1 stick or 2 or using asus's built in overclocking 219 runs perfectly stable prime can run all day fine, 220 reboots randomly, generaly after a few seconds and sometimes doesnt make it to windows. It is not a heat/memory or voltage issue, switching sata ports doesnt help. Cant quite figure it out.

 

[Bar81]

Possibly only using a 800mhz hypertransport so that you have to lower the LDT multiplier to get any farther. Although given it's max of 250mhz HTT, Asus could be using a 1000mhz hypertransport and not giving you LDT control because you wouldn't actually need it at 4x as you would max out at 1000.

Also could be a possibility that it's not locking AGP/PCI properly. If you have the setting, set AGP to 67mhz. That seems to solve a lot of issues with these 250 boards.

Did you set RAM to a 166 setting?

 

[jkresh]

actualy asus max's at 300, the 250 on the webpage is old. I have checked clockgen and it is showing pci and agp at 67 and 33 respectively at fsb of 219. Tried ram at 166, same exact results, and I have pushed this ram over 270, so 220 is not causing problems. Also 219 runs prime perfectly stable (12+ hours before i turned it off) so raising 1 mhz and constant rebooting seems odd. I thought it was the same sata problem as on the msi, but switching to different ports hasnt helped, hopefully someone else with the board or a review will come up with soemthing that i havent thought of. Or in a worse case scenario asus will come up with a bios fix. Runs completely stable at stock and up to 219 so I would say the board works with dtr's, if not perfectly. Only dtr related issue i have seen is it isnt recongizing that it is a cg chip, it is only giving me an option of 1t.

 

[Arkangyl]

Hmm, guys at the Xtremesystems forums seem to be getting the K8N-E Dlx to 250fsb just fine... I'm betting they found the LDT multi but it must be there.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38777

BTW, so the K8NS-Pro (nForce 3 250 Gigabyte) is 100% mobile compatable? I could've sworn I heard that it was a no-go...

thanks for the help though guys

 

[jkresh]

apparantly the one guy who got to 250 was using a different board. I am going to try dropping memory to 100 and see if that makes any difference.

 

[jkresh]

dropped ram to 3 3 3 11, and 100mhz in bios, still same issue so its no vdim related.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Arkangyl
Hmm, guys at the Xtremesystems forums seem to be getting the K8N-E Dlx to 250fsb just fine... I'm betting they found the LDT multi but it must be there.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38777

BTW, so the K8NS-Pro (nForce 3 250 Gigabyte) is 100% mobile compatable? I could've sworn I heard that it was a no-go...

thanks for the help though guys

It *was* a no go. Apparently there's a new board revision/shipping bios or something because it works now?

 

[Arkangyl]

hmm, cool I guess cheaper; proven good OC'er and known V-Mods; other than the 250 as opposed to 250gb whats not to like?

 

[jkresh]

we need a review of the asus, need to figure out some things, but I think it could be a very solid board, especialy with a bios revision.

 

[Bar81]

That's the really strange thing. Absolutely zero reviews with several reviewers commenting that they have yet to see review samples or even any info about their arrival.

 

[jkresh]

bizare, with it out for more then a week in retail channels, a review should be eminant. If we dont see one early this week, then i would seriously question asus's thinking. Only way we dont see one soon is if they are afraid of the results of a reivew which means they think they released the board too soon, which i doubt.

 

[Arkangyl]

I don't see why Asus would be afraid; the board seems plenty solid at stock speeds; looks like it just needs a new BIOS and it could easilty be the best out there...

 

[Avalon]

I'm keeping an eye on the Epox 8KDA3 boards. Everyone I've seen that has gotten one says it's just about the best OC'ing board out there, like the DFI Infinity/Lanparty for Socket A. I'm just waiting for a BIOS update to allow mobiles to work in it. Epox would be crazy not to add mobile support, since they've supported it in the past, and their boards are typically meant for the enthusiast.

 

[jkresh]

just put a a call in to asus asking about when the boards driver/bios would show up on their webpage and when the asus club registraiton would list the k8n-e as an option. Will post when i hear back or if i get any info on how to pas the 219mhz barrier.

 

[Bar81]

Here's a mini review up and the reviewer is in the same situation you're in. Nothing 220FSB and above is stable and no LDT multi control? Seriously, GHETTO! Asus took their sweet time and *this* is what they came up with!?! I get higher overclocks on my ASRock and for less than half the price to boot!!! Really disappointing. Let's hope Asus gets it into gear with a BIOS update and quickly.

Here you go:
http://www.ocworkbase.com/reviews/13_userreview_trans_am/

 

[kingshoc]

Is aopen going to support Mobile chips ? Im still new to this moblie stuff

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: jkresh
just got in, has the same stupid backplate setup as the msi, so back to ascetone, yeah

So the Asus K8N-E has a backplate glued on like the MSI K8N Neo? How hard was it to take off? Won't this void the warranty?

 

[jkresh]

acetone or a hairdryer (very quick with the hairdryer) should get it of reltaively easily. I do not beleive removing it voids the warranty, but keep the bracked and switch it back if you are sending it in for repairs, as if you send them your bracket you are likley to not get it back but get one of theirs instead.

 

[imported_oralpain]

Originally posted by: kingshoc
Is aopen going to support Mobile chips ? Im still new to this moblie stuff

My AK89 MAx works fine with the mobiles after a BIOS flash, no idea on aopen boards however.

 

[jaybee]

Does anyone have reliable info on the Epox nForce3 boards with mobiles? I've heard two successful accounts; in the first, a desktop was used to flash the BIOS. In the second, I saw no mention of a desktop chip -- it seemed the board was mobile-compatible out of the box. Of course, it looks like there are issues with booting due to low voltage supplied. My question, though -- does anyone know whether a desktop chip is necessary for an initial BIOS flash, or can a mobile be dropped right in from the start?

Thanks
jaybee

 

[Avalon]

I'm still waiting to hear the same thing myself. I want to know if the new NF3-250 Epox boards can use mobiles. I'm waiting for a BIOS update to see if it adds official support for them. The last bios update they made was around 5/14/04, and that's rather old.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: jaybee
Does anyone have reliable info on the Epox nForce3 boards with mobiles? I've heard two successful accounts; in the first, a desktop was used to flash the BIOS. In the second, I saw no mention of a desktop chip -- it seemed the board was mobile-compatible out of the box. Of course, it looks like there are issues with booting due to low voltage supplied. My question, though -- does anyone know whether a desktop chip is necessary for an initial BIOS flash, or can a mobile be dropped right in from the start?

Thanks
jaybee

As far as I've heard mobiles don't work on the Epox nForce3-250 boards. Where did you read otherwise?

 

[jaybee]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: jaybee
Does anyone have reliable info on the Epox nForce3 boards with mobiles? I've heard two successful accounts; in the first, a desktop was used to flash the BIOS. In the second, I saw no mention of a desktop chip -- it seemed the board was mobile-compatible out of the box. Of course, it looks like there are issues with booting due to low voltage supplied. My question, though -- does anyone know whether a desktop chip is necessary for an initial BIOS flash, or can a mobile be dropped right in from the start?

Thanks
jaybee

As far as I've heard mobiles don't work on the Epox nForce3-250 boards. Where did you read otherwise?

I've seen a couple postings. Here's one I can find quickly. This is another example. I should register on the boards and ask em myself. It looks like it's pretty hit-or-miss at this point. I'd love to buy a mobile & the Epox with the expectation of a mobile-friendly BIOS, but then there's the issue of booting to flash the BIOS...

jaybee

 

[Bar81]

Interesting. Well, the second link shows the person to be unable to boot past a 4x multiplier and even then it seems to be hit and miss. I don't know if they've tried clockgen which might solve the problems since the BIOS won't save. I wouldn't consider that to be working. The first link is more interesting. That flies in the face of multiple reports on various boards when the board came out. If you get to the bottom of it lmk.

 

[Avalon]

From Epox's site
While not flat out saying no, the implication here is pretty damn strong that Mobiles will never be supported on this board. Wow. Screw Epox then