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the military is harmful to the environment.

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Anarchist420

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it is a shame that they have such little respect for their country as they not only get too many benefits at tax payer expense they also destroy the environment.

and then the u.s.g. was the biggest polluter of property already
 
Did you just now find out about this? Its a shameful part of our history for sure.

And yes generally speaking blowing shit up is bad for the environment.
 
sourn said:
"the biggest polluter"

Your mom took that title when she gave birth to you.
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Anarchist420 has some shall we say unique ideas but is at least always polite. I would reserve that insult for a few others around here who seem to troll endlessly.
 
It may be true that the US Military doesn't treat all of its veterans all that well.

On the other hand, the Korean DMZ seems to be doing very well for endangered species.

The Korean Demilitarized Zone Is the World's Wildest Border

One of Asia's safest, most diverse habitats for rare and endangered species is a narrow, land mine–dense strip of jungle stuck between two industrial powerhouses with environmental records that are among the world's worst. The Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) has, by accident, helped safeguard the Asiatic black bear, red-crowned crane, and black-faced spoonbill from extinction. Last September, South Korea asked the United Nations to recognize the DMZ's role in wildlife conservation by taking steps toward making part of it a World Heritage Site – getting the international community to protect and expand the wilderness area. "No other place in Korea resembles what it looked like before the war," says Lee Ki-sup, an ecologist from South Korea.
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I guess it depends on your perspective.

Uno
 
I'd think that a bear is heavy enough... How does a bear avoid landmines??
 
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One of the most amazing sites as you approach the island is the amazing coral reefs surrounding the island. There are numerous species of coral at Johnston Atoll with the most conspicuous species being the giant table coral (Acropora cytherea).

One of the first things you notice is the large colonies of birds, which is to be expected as Johnston Atoll National Wildlife Refuge manages 14 species of breeding sea birds and 5 species of wintering shorebirds...
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In 1972, when my old company was stationed there, it was reported that a quarter million pounds of Agent Orange was spilled on the Atoll. Of course, that wasn't near as problematic as what had happened 10 years earlier.

In 1962, (July 24) a nuclear armed Thor missle blew up on the Johnson Island launch pad. The 1.4 megaton warhead, destroyed by the safety officer, spit plutonium over most of the western part of the Island including the first 300 feet of the runway, the launch area, the parking area, the swimming pool, cafeteria, and the latrine...

Three aircrews were trapped on the ground along with their 30 or so ground support. Participating aircrews suffered an 85% casualty rate from various radiogenic diseases. Only three members of Crew One survived. Details on the disaster at Johnston Island were not declassified until 1995.

I guess the Feds were hoping we'd all croak before having a chance to talk about it, said one.
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Ironic that the people are all gone but the birds are back.


So tell me grasshopper, which is stronger a tree or the grass?
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Grass is stronger. A typhoon will blow the tree away. But the grass will just bend.

After both the tree and the typhoon are gone, the grass remains.

Uno
 
DrPizza said:
I'd think that a bear is heavy enough... How does a bear avoid landmines??
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I was wondering that too. Has evolution created a super-bear capable of resisting explosives?

Perhaps the bear inhabits places less likely to be traversed by men and machines and is, therefore, less mined?
 
More seriously, military bases provide some of the best wildlife habitat left in a lot of areas. Bombing ranges with their vast buffer zones are particularly valuable to wildlife. In Wyoming, F.E. Warren AFB provides a breeding facility for the endangered black-footed ferret as the grasslands on base are in far better condition than the surrounding rangeland. Here in Arizona, the Goldwater Bombing Range is a biological jewel as is Ft. Huachuca.
 
The amount of expense and care that the military now puts into environmental protection is staggering. I'd argue that it's too much care, often becoming a detriment to effective training.

For example, most of the Army's bases were banned from firing any explosive munitions for most of 2011 and 2012 because someone all of a sudden realized we didn't know where a couple hundred of the marker rounds (basically a depleted uranium slug that approximated the ballistic trajectory of the actual nuclear round) for the old Davy Crockett nuclear guns went. They were afraid that a Mark 19 round might hit one (on ranges that had been pelted with explosives for 40 years since the last Davy Crockett was deployed) and send mildly radioactive dust up into the air. Ridiculous.
 
I think it was Emerson who said "People who love nature too much don't love it at all". That's the US left right there. A lot of "concern" for the environment is just an excuse to maim the economy and institutions. Its radicals who are behind it (as Greenpeace founder Moore has stated). Only a fool thinks Obama actually cares about the environment (or health-care) as he closes a third of US power plants. Harming the military is also a goal.

You can see the zany thinking in the fake concern for asthma. Libs complain power plants give kids asthma - then they ban the CFCs in asthma spray and not only double/triple the cost of the medicine but the new propellant makes kids asthma worse. Of course the kids grandparents are more in danger too as they cant' afford the higher utility rates to power the AC in high heat (when there are often brown-outs do to reduced capacity to generate power).

The left ruins everything it gets control of and the military was the last thing that still worked half well - that is until the psycho got elected in 2008
 
finglobes said:
I think it was Emerson who said "People who love nature too much don't love it at all". That's the US left right there. A lot of "concern" for the environment is just an excuse to maim the economy and institutions. Its radicals who are behind it (as Greenpeace founder Moore has stated). Only a fool thinks Obama actually cares about the environment (or health-care) as he closes a third of US power plants. Harming the military is also a goal.

You can see the zany thinking in the fake concern for asthma. Libs complain power plants give kids asthma - then they ban the CFCs in asthma spray and not only double/triple the cost of the medicine but the new propellant makes kids asthma worse. Of course the kids grandparents are more in danger too as they cant' afford the higher utility rates to power the AC in high heat (when there are often brown-outs do to reduced capacity to generate power).

The left ruins everything it gets control of and the military was the last thing that still worked half well - that is until the psycho got elected in 2008
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