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The middle class has a moral obligation to help its poorest citizens

JEDI

JEDI

Lifer
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/01/news/economy/middle-class-poor-safety-net/index.html

some of the things I agree:
- He advocates raising the retirement age to 70, reducing benefits for higher income recipients and indexing annual increases to price inflation, not wage inflation.
--> use the $ saved for programs for the poor.

- The nation should look upon those in need as "assets to develop" instead of "liabilities to manage."

- Government assistance should be limited to the truly indigent and require recipients to work when possible, he says.

- he noted that most public assistance programs are geared to single mothers and children. More should be done to develop single young men, he said.


not going to harp again about implementing mandatory birth control for those on govt aid (welfare, social security disability/ssdi, etc).
but I like his point about govt programs to help young men, presumably to be productive citizens and away from the criminal path.

in general, the poor have lack of opportunities to advance...
 
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Gawd that Arthur Brooks is an idiot. Either that, or he takes us all for idiots.

Bleed the middle class. Typical republican. Don't touch the richest 1% of the richest 1%, but make the peasants pay instead.

What a bs opinion from a bs person.
 
Tombstone1881 said:
Gawd that Arthur Brooks is an idiot. Either that, or he takes us all for idiots.

Bleed the middle class. Typical republican. Don't touch the richest 1% of the richest 1%, but make the peasants pay instead.

What a bs opinion from a bs person.
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thx.
changed title to reflect who the author wants to pay for helping the poor
 
The only moral obligation we have is to those who can't help themselves. We are actually doing to a disservice to those who don't or won't help themselves by repeatedly shielding them from the results of their bad decisions.
 
So you think raising the retirement age to 70 is good? Are you also advocating for getting rid of social security because working for 55 years and paying into a system that gives you the most basic standard of living for 9 years (the average life span of an American) seems pretty shitty to me.

Considering the elderly are growing in numbers in terms of low wage workers and high school students and college students are a growing unemployed segment, it seems like raising the retirement age would exacerbate that situation even more. What's your plan to fix that?

The smart thing to do, seems to be the exact opposite of what you agree with! The retirement age should be lowered, the income cap on ss should be removed (ie the rich pay even more into the system and maybe even up the benefit payout. This would (in theory), give younger workers more opportunity, allow older people to enjoy their later years which in turn leads to more spending by them which then leads to more jobs.
 
ivwshane said:
The retirement age should be lowered, the income cap on ss should be removed (ie the rich pay even more into the system and maybe even up the benefit payout. This would (in theory), give younger workers more opportunity, allow older people to enjoy their later years which in turn leads to more spending by them which then leads to more jobs.
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Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention.

But, this is the first time I have seen/heard of this theory!
Sounds good. I'll have too think further about it.

Thanks

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JEDI said:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/01/news/economy/middle-class-poor-safety-net/index.html

some of the things I agree:
- He advocates raising the retirement age to 70, reducing benefits for higher income recipients and indexing annual increases to price inflation, not wage inflation.
--> use the $ saved for programs for the poor.

- The nation should look upon those in need as "assets to develop" instead of "liabilities to manage."

- Government assistance should be limited to the truly indigent and require recipients to work when possible, he says.

- he noted that most public assistance programs are geared to single mothers and children. More should be done to develop single young men, he said.


not going to harp again about implementing mandatory birth control for those on govt aid (welfare, social security disability/ssdi, etc).
but I like his point about govt programs to help young men, presumably to be productive citizens and away from the criminal path.

in general, the poor have lack of opportunities to advance...
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Good point as far as men goes. I haven't seen many homeless women.

Maybe a panhandler at a street corner at the most, but very rarely (2 out of every 100 panhandlers, most are men). Yet we don't see anything that ever targets men. Women often get dumped with children (their fault in the first place), and I can understand that - but men take the cake for overall stupidity. Probably why you see them on the street more.
 
JEDI said:
- He advocates raising the retirement age to 70, reducing benefits for higher income recipients and indexing annual increases to price inflation, not wage inflation.
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So you want people who have worked since age 14, paid into social security their whole lives for 51 years till they're 65 to wait another 5 years?

I might agree with some of the programs but a slash here is retarded.
 
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The noble poor hardly exist anymore. In the past centuries poverty could come to many despite their best efforts. Many of the modern "poor" are poor because of debauched lifestyles. Drop out of free schooling, hang around knocking up your neighbors daughters (who get checks for getting knocked up) and leaving, don't work entry level jobs because its ego flattening etc. Heck its no accident the modern poor are now the fattest of citzens and obiesity is now used as a metric to measure "poverty". In the old days the rich people were the fatties.

Facts are the libs create poverty and violence. They enable the lower nature and slovenly ways. They protect people from the consequences of their ways and encourage debilitation. People humiliated by a system that brings the worst out of them (liberalism is very anti-evolutionary) grow a rage againt the keepers they get addicted to.

They grow hostile to society as a whole and then enabling politicians use that to stoke them for votes. "Hurt and rescue " is the name of the game. Create a problem that breeds more problems and another rescue that creates more problems.

Cry about the lack of affordale housing in minority areas and then let millions of illegals into those areas take any housing. Give kiddies sex sex sex growing up and then get obbsessed with "rapists and abusers" when they grow up like weeds. Protect bullies as "victims too" for three decades and then go on anti-bully rampages that are really just about the Rainbow Mafia.

The greatest cause of poverty in America is liberalism. Black crime, illegitimacy etc all got worse after the 60s
 
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Good lord you are fucking nuts! I think you are the only person who enjoys your posts!

Your bubble of reality is so fucking distorted that you make michael1980 look sane, something I thought was impossible!

finglobes said:
The noble poor hardly exist anymore. In the past centuries poverty could come to many despite their best efforts. Many of the modern "poor" are poor because of debauched lifestyles. Drop out of free schooling, hang around knocking up your neighbors daughters (who get checks for getting knocked up) and leaving, don't work entry level jobs because its ego flattening etc. Heck its no accident the modern poor are now the fattest of citzens and obiesity is now used as a metric to measure "poverty". In the old days the rich people were the fatties.

Facts are the libs create poverty and violence. They enable the lower nature and slovenly ways. They protect people from the consequences of their ways and encourage debilitation. People humiliated by a system that brings the worst out of them (liberalism is very anti-evolutionary) grow a rage againt the keepers they get addicted to.

They grow hostile to society as a whole and then enabling politicians use that to stoke them for votes. "Hurt and rescue " is the name of the game. Create a problem that breeds more problems and another rescue that creates more problems.

Cry about the lack of affordale housing in minority areas and then let millions of illegals into those areas take any housing. Give kiddies sex sex sex growing up and then get obbsessed with "rapists and abusers" when they grow up like weeds. Protect bullies as "victims too" for three decades and then go on anti-bully rampages that are really just about the Rainbow Mafia.

The greatest cause of poverty in America is liberalism. Black crime, illegitimacy etc all got worse after the 60s
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I see a lot of wall Street types pushing for a 70 year retirement age, there has been many such stories and op eds from them on this. I guess when you've bled the middle class this far you might as well bleed them the full 9.

On top of that not many companies want older workers and I'm not talking 60 year olds, they don't want anyone beyond about 45. I've seen my share of older workers that lost good paying jobs and were left with service jobs like Burger King. Imagine spending the last years of your life having busted your ass for 5 decades working at a burger shack because the wealthy don't think you should be allowed to actually retire. Nope, please die on your feet!


Brian
 
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finglobes said:
The noble poor hardly exist anymore. In the past centuries poverty could come to many despite their best efforts. Many of the modern "poor" are poor because of debauched lifestyles. Drop out of free schooling, hang around knocking up your neighbors daughters (who get checks for getting knocked up) and leaving, don't work entry level jobs because its ego flattening etc. Heck its no accident the modern poor are now the fattest of citzens and obiesity is now used as a metric to measure "poverty". In the old days the rich people were the fatties.

Facts are the libs create poverty and violence. They enable the lower nature and slovenly ways. They protect people from the consequences of their ways and encourage debilitation. People humiliated by a system that brings the worst out of them (liberalism is very anti-evolutionary) grow a rage againt the keepers they get addicted to.

They grow hostile to society as a whole and then enabling politicians use that to stoke them for votes. "Hurt and rescue " is the name of the game. Create a problem that breeds more problems and another rescue that creates more problems.

Cry about the lack of affordale housing in minority areas and then let millions of illegals into those areas take any housing. Give kiddies sex sex sex growing up and then get obbsessed with "rapists and abusers" when they grow up like weeds. Protect bullies as "victims too" for three decades and then go on anti-bully rampages that are really just about the Rainbow Mafia.

The greatest cause of poverty in America is liberalism. Black crime, illegitimacy etc all got worse after the 60s
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Holy shit, you're one crazy guy.

I'll just address one thing.. the greatest cause of poverty is because things changed after Eisenhower - a REPUBLICAN who taxed the wealthy rich progressively over $200,000 ($5,000,000 in today's terms) 90% and used it to create jobs with infrastructre. All these interstates you see today, they were all created by Eisenhower giving the poor jobs to make infrastructure.

But no you want to scream big government and give the rich complete immunity to taxes while the poor and the middle class gets their jobs shipped overseas resulting in them being poor. It's not laziness. it's crazy profiteering by the rich shipping our American jobs overseas.

I don't think you're even worth arguing with anymore based on what you wrote.
 
How about big pharma gives up its benefit of not having to negotiate pricing with the government before seniors give up their health care?
Other develop countries cover everyone for less than what our government spends on seniors, the poor, and the disabled alone.
 
Look, the whole point of increasing the SS retirement age is to cut the amount of money going into SS -- it's not that hard to understand.

As far as the wealthy are concerned an older person that's no longer busting there ass to make the wealthy wealthier need to just die already!


Brian
 
Why would we want to make people work to 70 when there is a dearth of jobs for young people? Save on training, or what?
 
Indus said:
Holy shit, you're one crazy guy.

I'll just address one thing.. the greatest cause of poverty is because things changed after Eisenhower -
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It was Johnson (after the brief JFK admin) that sent US off. Black illegitimacy, crime etc was about the same as whites - not 70%+. The welfare state created millions of needy people after they broke minority familes by replacing the father. Sen Moynihan warned about all the problems coming and he was right. Right now, anyone poor in America who isn't sick or elderly (and high taxes in blue states cause seniors to lose their homes) is just an epic loser. Never has so much opportunity for so many existed. One thing about the illegals is they proved how easy it is to get ahead in America. Many blew right past blacks (who Dems like to keep needy and resentful)
 
senseamp said:
GOP is all about pitting the middle class against the poor while the rich get richer.
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Yes, all that AND having the middle class fiercely fight among each other to keep them distracted from how they're being led down the road to poverty by the very rich. Classic divide and conquer strategy that's been working quite well for them.

Whether we want to face it or not, the very rich have much more control over our lives than we care to admit, and that is just another factor that they count on to keep power out of the hands of the vast majority of the nation: the working class and the poor.

Majority rules? Not in the USA anyway. 😉
 
finglobes said:
It was Johnson (after the brief JFK admin) that sent US off. Black illegitimacy, crime etc was about the same as whites - not 70%+. The welfare state created millions of needy people after they broke minority familes by replacing the father. Sen Moynihan warned about all the problems coming and he was right. Right now, anyone poor in America who isn't sick or elderly (and high taxes in blue states cause seniors to lose their homes) is just an epic loser. Never has so much opportunity for so many existed. One thing about the illegals is they proved how easy it is to get ahead in America. Many blew right past blacks (who Dems like to keep needy and resentful)
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Did you learn this in your last republican klan meeting?
 
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You can only retire at 70 if you live in an office.

What kind of dickwad who has never worked a manual labor job his whole life or known anyone who has would ever think a universal 70 year old retirement age is anything but a stupid donkey beat with a retarded stick.
 
Fuck the vast majority of the poor. They're poor, because of their own fault. Sure some got dealt a shitty hand, suck it up and do better. And some do that, and succeed. These lazy mother fuckers with their ebt cards piss me off. Never working because they get so much free money and food. They feel so entitled too, makes me sick.

And I agree with Overvolt. Their bodies would be decrepit.
 
Ackmed said:
Fuck the vast majority of the poor. They're poor, because of their own fault. Sure some got dealt a shitty hand, suck it up and do better. And some do that, and succeed. These lazy mother fuckers with their ebt cards piss me off. Never working because they get so much free money and food. They feel so entitled too, makes me sick.

And I agree with Overvolt. Their bodies would be decrepit.
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Wouldn't you like a purge?
 
I would like them to stop getting hand outs that I pay for, and actually do something to benefit society. But that will never happen, because most are lazy pieces of shit who think they deserve to get free money because they're poor.
 
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