The Michael Steele minstrel show continues on

[MiniDoom]

this thread is full of lol...

 

[alchemize]

Every day Phokus tries to raise the bar on stupid. He's pretty good at it.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus


Not really. You can disagree with Barack Obama's politics, but even many conservative commentators say that the positive of Obama's presidency is that black kids can look up to Obama and be something greater than their normal expectations would otherwise tell them.

As for, 'authentically black', it's someone who acts like a normal black person.

The bigger point is

"authentically black and doesn't play upon racist stereotypes"

meaning, being a normal black person without playing about the pernicious racial stereotypes associated with it.

Please, humor us all and describe the "normal black person."


If you don't see the irony in you trying to stereotype what a "normal black person" would act like......

It's only ironic if you're too obtuse to understand what a stereotype is and how they're used:

A stereotype is a type of logical oversimplification in which all the members of a class or set are considered to be definable by an easily distinguishable set of characteristics. The term is often used with a negative connotation, as stereotypes can be used to deny individuals respect or legitimacy based on their membership in a particular group. In America, the term has long been associated with the Civil Rights movement and is imbued with a semblance of racial context.

Also, you seem to not be able to read (not surprising), considering i said 'pernicious' or 'racist' 'stereotype' several times to underscore the bolded point.

For example, if i pointed out that Obama loves smooth jazz (which he does), that might speak to his black experience and 'authentic black person', although it isn't really a stereotype anymore (after all, hip hop is probably much more popular among black people), as it's not as popular with the black community these days (even though it has black roots) and enjoyed by people of many races and has a large following in places like Europe and Japan. Put yourself in a racist person's shoes, if they looked at a black person, would they more likely assume a black person they see like hip hop (which may or may not be a negative stereotype, depending on how it's used), or would they assume they liked jazz?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus


Not really. You can disagree with Barack Obama's politics, but even many conservative commentators say that the positive of Obama's presidency is that black kids can look up to Obama and be something greater than their normal expectations would otherwise tell them.

As for, 'authentically black', it's someone who acts like a normal black person.

The bigger point is

"authentically black and doesn't play upon racist stereotypes"

meaning, being a normal black person without playing about the pernicious racial stereotypes associated with it.

Please, humor us all and describe the "normal black person."


If you don't see the irony in you trying to stereotype what a "normal black person" would act like......

It's only ironic if you're too obtuse to understand what a stereotype is and how they're used:

A stereotype is a type of logical oversimplification in which all the members of a class or set are considered to be definable by an easily distinguishable set of characteristics. The term is often used with a negative connotation, as stereotypes can be used to deny individuals respect or legitimacy based on their membership in a particular group. In America, the term has long been associated with the Civil Rights movement and is imbued with a semblance of racial context.

Also, you seem to not be able to read (not surprising), considering i said 'pernicious stereotype' several times to underscore the bolded point.

For example, if i pointed out that Obama loves smooth jazz (which he does), that might speak to his black experience and 'authentic black person', although it isn't really a stereotype anymore (after all, hip hop is probably much more popular among black people), as it's not as popular with the black community these days (even though it has black roots) and enjoyed by people of many races and has a large following in places like Europe and Japan. Put yourself in a racist person's shoes, if they looked at a black person, would they more likely assume a black person they see like hip hop (which may or may not be a negative stereotype, depending on how it's used), or would they assume they liked jazz?

Then why do advertisers cater to one demographic or another? we are different, dont say we aren't... When the Buick Enclave launched, they used african american actors for advertising to attract a more racially diverse platform... People associate with those who are like them. You attempt to cater towards a demographic no matter what, naturally it occurs... We as humans are parasites, we always will, and always have been, we naturally use others, the world, everything around us, in order to prosper, and to properly do this, you must learn that we always associate with those most like us... You did not even answer how him responding to a joke with another joke makes this even news worthy...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87
How does one act like a white guy anyways?

Here you go

 

[OCGuy]

Keep trying, you arent digging yourself out of this one.

I am still waiting for what a "normal black person" is.


I was not off in my definition of stereotype. They dont have to be negative.


NOUN: 1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image. stereotyper, stereotypic (-tpk) , stereotypical (--kl) , stereotypically

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus


Not really. You can disagree with Barack Obama's politics, but even many conservative commentators say that the positive of Obama's presidency is that black kids can look up to Obama and be something greater than their normal expectations would otherwise tell them.

As for, 'authentically black', it's someone who acts like a normal black person.

The bigger point is

"authentically black and doesn't play upon racist stereotypes"

meaning, being a normal black person without playing about the pernicious racial stereotypes associated with it.

Please, humor us all and describe the "normal black person."


If you don't see the irony in you trying to stereotype what a "normal black person" would act like......

It's only ironic if you're too obtuse to understand what a stereotype is and how they're used:

A stereotype is a type of logical oversimplification in which all the members of a class or set are considered to be definable by an easily distinguishable set of characteristics. The term is often used with a negative connotation, as stereotypes can be used to deny individuals respect or legitimacy based on their membership in a particular group. In America, the term has long been associated with the Civil Rights movement and is imbued with a semblance of racial context.

Also, you seem to not be able to read (not surprising), considering i said 'pernicious stereotype' several times to underscore the bolded point.

For example, if i pointed out that Obama loves smooth jazz (which he does), that might speak to his black experience and 'authentic black person', although it isn't really a stereotype anymore (after all, hip hop is probably much more popular among black people), as it's not as popular with the black community these days (even though it has black roots) and enjoyed by people of many races and has a large following in places like Europe and Japan. Put yourself in a racist person's shoes, if they looked at a black person, would they more likely assume a black person they see like hip hop (which may or may not be a negative stereotype, depending on how it's used), or would they assume they liked jazz?

Then why do advertisers cater to one demographic or another? we are different, dont say we aren't... When the Buick Enclave launched, they used african american actors for advertising to attract a more racially diverse platform... People associate with those who are like them. You attempt to cater towards a demographic no matter what, naturally it occurs... We as humans are parasites, we always will, and always have been, we naturally use others, the world, everything around us, in order to prosper, and to properly do this, you must learn that we always associate with those most like us... You did not even answer how him responding to a joke with another joke makes this even news worthy...

It's a problem with definition. When i say stereotype, i use this one because when i or others use it, it's usually with a negative connotation:

A stereotype is a type of logical oversimplification in which all the members of a class or set are considered to be definable by an easily distinguishable set of characteristics. The term is often used with a negative connotation, as stereotypes can be used to deny individuals respect or legitimacy based on their membership in a particular group. In America, the term has long been associated with the Civil Rights movement and is imbued with a semblance of racial context.

You and a couple others are using "stereotype" to blanket everything. If you went to China and used the word 'stereotype' to describe, for example, art or music that's unique to china when 'culture' would be a better word. To me, at least, it would feel like a misuse of the word given the definition above.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Keep trying, you arent digging yourself out of this one.

I am still waiting for what a "normal black person" is.


I was not off in my definition of stereotype. They dont have to be negative.


NOUN: 1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image. stereotyper, stereotypic (-tpk) , stereotypical (--kl) , stereotypically

Digging? It's not my fault that you're using oversimplified arguments and don't understand nuance and don't even understand the common use of the word 'stereotype' in America.

'Stereotype' almost always carries a negative connotation in American usage (perhaps the British or other english speaking countries don't have this convention)

A stereotype is a type of logical oversimplification in which all the members of a class or set are considered to be definable by an easily distinguishable set of characteristics. The term is often used with a negative connotation, as stereotypes can be used to deny individuals respect or legitimacy based on their membership in a particular group. In America, the term has long been associated with the Civil Rights movement and is imbued with a semblance of racial context.

Would you say a black person who loves to 'talk in jive and 'eat watermelon/fried chicken' is drawing upon cultural experience rather than a 'stereotype'. Would you say that a black person who enjoys jazz music is drawing upon his culture or stereotypical experience?

 

[n yusef]

I don't understand why Phokus is being flamed here. Michael Steele obviously plays up black stereotypes as a means of political outreach. It's embarrassing, and a little racist.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I don't understand why Phokus is being flamed here. Michael Steele obviously plays up black stereotypes as a means of political outreach. It's embarrassing, and a little racist.

Probably because they dont' want to admit it.

I can't wait for John Boehner to put on blackface and speak about how 'massah treats me so well!', it's the cool thing to do these days!

 

[Rockinacoustic]

OP: "Shame on Michael Steele for poking fun at stereotypes, he should take a lesson from Obama and act like a 'normal', 'authentic' African American"

Self Pwnage much? :laugh:

Phokus, you don't hang around many people with heritage and customs different than yourself do you? I know many friends who joke about their customs being stereotypes to others, whether it's my black friends and their fried chicken, my Indian friends and their curry, etc...

The fact that you make it into a big deal is a pathetic double standard.

 

[alchemize]

Time to bump some threads where the left was calling Colin Powell a house ***** and condi rice aunt jemima.

 

[Lanyap]

If you listen closely you'll hear the person asking him the question say "I'll bring the collard greens" which prompted Steele to mention the fried chicken and potato salad. Sounds like a setup by a blogger.
http://www.salon.com/politics/...ele_chicken/index.html

It's all over the internet and it was just posted yesterday.
http://www.google.com/search?h...G=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Lanyap
If you listen closely you'll hear the person asking him the question say "I'll bring the collard greens" which prompted Steele to mention the fried chicken and potato salad. Sounds like a setup by a blogger.
http://www.salon.com/politics/...ele_chicken/index.html

It's all over the internet and it was just posted yesterday.
http://www.google.com/search?h...G=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Whether it was a 'setup' or not, at least he can't claim ignorance. That was pretty dumb of him.

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Lanyap
If you listen closely you'll hear the person asking him the question say "I'll bring the collard greens" which prompted Steele to mention the fried chicken and potato salad. Sounds like a setup by a blogger.
http://www.salon.com/politics/...ele_chicken/index.html

It's all over the internet and it was just posted yesterday.
http://www.google.com/search?h...G=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Whether it was a 'setup' or not, at least he can't claim ignorance. That was pretty dumb of him.

I understand the fried chicken racial stereotype but what about the potato salad? I've lived in the South all of my life and understand the racial aspect of fried chicken, watermelon and collard greens but not the potato salad. If Steele had replied with watermelon instead of potato salad then I would agree with you.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Lanyap
If you listen closely you'll hear the person asking him the question say "I'll bring the collard greens" which prompted Steele to mention the fried chicken and potato salad. Sounds like a setup by a blogger.
http://www.salon.com/politics/...ele_chicken/index.html

It's all over the internet and it was just posted yesterday.
http://www.google.com/search?h...G=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Whether it was a 'setup' or not, at least he can't claim ignorance. That was pretty dumb of him.

I understand the fried chicken racial stereotype but what about the potato salad? I've lived in the South all of my life and understand the racial aspect of fried chicken, watermelon and collard greens but not the potato salad. If Steele had replied with watermelon instead of potato salad then I would agree with you.

Maybe he mistakenly thought 'potato salad' is part of it? He obviously understood the racial stereotype of the collard greens comment, especially in the context of the question about increasing diversity of the Republican party.

 

[JKing106]

Being born in the deep south into a racist family, I'm here to tell you the only reason Michael Steele is the president of the RNC is to appeal to black voters. Period. The only reason Sarah Palin was the VP nominee was to appeal to women who didn't want to vote for a black man. Racism is alive and well in America, and most of their members are Republicans. I hear it every day. I hear the "N" word when someone is talking about Obama, every day. I hear the "C" word when someone is talking about Hilary, or Sotomayor, every day. Republicans are the party of hate, intolerance, and fear. And anyone with half a brain knows it.

So, keep shifting the goalposts. Call a hispanic woman who's more intelligent that all the people on this forum put together a racist. Call a black man who's also more intelligent, and compassionate, that all the right wing psychos on this board a socialist. Whatever, floats your boat. Remember this: YOU LOST. It's our time now. How does it feel?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JKing106


So, keep shifting the goalposts. Call a hispanic woman who's more intelligent that all the people on this forum put together a racist. Call a black man who's also more intelligent, and compassionate, that all the right wing psychos on this board a socialist. Whatever, floats your boat. Remember this: YOU LOST. It's our time now. How does it feel?

It feels like someone just let their child onto their ATP&N account, to be honest.

Id be interested in what method you use to poll people after you see or hear racism to find out what party they are in? Last time I checked, there are a ton of Southern Democrats.


If I hear racism here in liberal CA, should I assume it was a (D)?

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: JKing106


So, keep shifting the goalposts. Call a hispanic woman who's more intelligent that all the people on this forum put together a racist. Call a black man who's also more intelligent, and compassionate, that all the right wing psychos on this board a socialist. Whatever, floats your boat. Remember this: YOU LOST. It's our time now. How does it feel?

It feels like someone just let their child onto their ATP&N account, to be honest.

You lost. How does it feel?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: JKing106


So, keep shifting the goalposts. Call a hispanic woman who's more intelligent that all the people on this forum put together a racist. Call a black man who's also more intelligent, and compassionate, that all the right wing psychos on this board a socialist. Whatever, floats your boat. Remember this: YOU LOST. It's our time now. How does it feel?

It feels like someone just let their child onto their ATP&N account, to be honest.

You lost. How does it feel?

Shit, I didnt even know I ran!

 

[JKing106]

It's telling you didn't say anything about the first paragraph. You conceding the Republican party is full of racists?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JKing106
It's telling you didn't say anything about the first paragraph. You conceding the Republican party is full of racists?

You may want to go back and read the post again.

 

[BoberFett]

PhokusIsARacistScumbag.txt

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
PhokusIsARacistScumbag.txt

That's hilarious coming from someone who supports a political party trying to destroy a hispanic female judge's impeccable reputation. Hypocritical much? Of course you are. You're a Republican.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: BoberFett
PhokusIsARacistScumbag.txt

That's hilarious coming from someone who supports a political party trying to destroy a hispanic female judge's impeccable reputation. Hypocritical much? Of course you are. You're a Republican.

WWYBYWB?



"Impeccable reputation"? She was just overturned because her ruling was completely unconstitutional. Now you want her to be the one interpreting the constitution in the SCOTUS?


Talk about a hack.