Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: Genx87
Credibility it blown for the accuser and his family. Admitting they lied earlier doesnt help.
What the young kid said was contradicting, but he didn't say that he lied.
Yes, he did say he lied.
After the Bashir documentary aired on TV, various school officials/ counsellors asked him if MJ had molested him. He said no. Now, he is saying he lied. His sister also acknowledged lying (for financial gain).
you know he said he lied, so surely you know
the reason why, and can understand his motives.
what is your definiton of molesting a child, aidanjm? if one just fondles the penis, is it any less molestation than oral? IMO, the only varying degree would be if intercourse takes place, in which case it becomes rape.
IMO there are variations in degrees of sexual abuse, and some forms of abuse warrant more severe punishment than others. Someone who rapes multiple children on multiple occasions, is committing a more heinous crime than someone who inappropriately touches a child on a few occasions, imo. Punishment should vary according to severity of the crime, imo. Inappropriate touching? I'd give that maybe a 6 month suspended jail sentence (assuming the accused has no prior convictions). But then, I don't necessarily believe that MJ did touch that child inappropriately. I think this trial has the atmosphere of a witch hunt. I tend to see those baying for MJ's blood as ignorant and stupid people.
you still didnt address the comment of why the child
said he lied. im curious to know if you can understand why he
said he lied.
Fixed.
No, I am too stupid, and lack the minute amounts of empathy required, to understand why a child might lie in such a situation. :disgust:
im not sure about stupid, but surely defensive. i was just asking your opinion, without implications, and nothing more.
Originally posted by: shimsham
i agree with your scenario of touching vs. rape, but thats quite a lenient punishment considering the torment the abused must go through. do you know anyone that has had to endure such? i would think if you did you would realize how serious of an offense it really is.
I do have a female pal who was raped by her father from the age of 3 to about age 16. I have female aquaintances who were molested or raped by their uncle and/ or older brother. I have a male friend who was groped (touched inappropriately) by the next door neightbor when he was ten. There's no doubt that such abuse has long-lasting negative side effects (on the victim). I do think people tend to throw rational thought out the window when the topic of discussion turns to child molestation. I think calls for MJ to be put to death, or locked up for the rest of his life, are irrational and absurd.
people do get irrational when it comes to these types of crimes, i agree. it comes with the territory of something so awful. but this a forum, and p&n, no less, so a grain of salt is needed for most replies. some people are just barbaric, if it was my child, i cant say i wouldnt feel different.
Originally posted by: shimsham
ignorant AND stupid? wow. we are all ignoratn and stupid concerning this case as all we know is what we are fed by the media. so no matter what opinion one has on his guilt, we all come to that conclusion in the same way, and would fall under your generalization.
Like I said, those baying for his blood are irrational, ignorant, stupid, imo.
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the same could be said for those that refuse to see tell tale signs that are readily available for all to see. to think that there isnt something unnatural and odd concerning his obession with young boys could be considered irrational, ignorant, and stupid by those that think he is guilty.
Originally posted by: shimsham
what of the prosecutors and investigators that have had 1st hand access to the evidence and depostions and believe he is guilty? they decided to file and persue the charges. are they also ignorant an stupid?
This is a grudge match between a (second-rate) prosecutor and MJ. The case is weak, and built entirely on the testimony of the accuser. There is no physical evidence. The prosecutor is hoping the suspicion towards MJ held in the community (because he is so weird, and has an odd relationship with/ towards children) will carry over into the jury's deliberations, and that they will convict when in fact there is PLENTY of reasonable doubt.
there is reasonable doubt in 99% of these cases, id be willing to bet, as it is almost always the word of the accused against accuser. as far as evidence goes, what evidence would you expect there to be? i would imagine when someone molests a child, they wouldnt tear tissue or leave telling marks as one would in a rape. and what evidence do you have for this alleged grudge held by the prosecutor? thats the first ive heard of this. any links?
